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Pirate Bay boycotts 'traditional media'
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article published on 12 September, 2008
Last week we reported that the torrent tracker The Pirate Bay was under fire from the Swedish media for not taking down a user-uploaded torrent that included autopsy pictures of two murdered children. The request was from the father of the murdered children but The Pirate Bay stuck by their morals and refused to take it down, claiming that the Internet is a free place and they refuse to censor.
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windsong
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12. September 2008 @ 15:09 |
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Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
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12. September 2008 @ 15:20 |
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what the hell did the cretin expect?my respect for pirate bay is in the crapper now.arrogent bunch of bastards.
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12. September 2008 @ 15:37 |
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Meh mishandled but the core of their argument still stands the media system as it is now must die for us to be free.
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12. September 2008 @ 15:56 |
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I am not sure what side to stand with on this one. I do not necessarily think the content should be removed because I do believe in the freedom of speech (which in this case is the freedom to disseminate information). Someone rightfully obtained the images, documents, etc and simply uploaded them (I have no idea why) to TPB. There is nothing illegal about them being shared at all as far as I know (although I do not know Swedish law on this). The documents and images are also not copyrighted, so it is not a copyright violation.
Then again, there is the father who is just asking nicely that the admininstrators remove the pictures of his dead child. The father and the family are suffering enough, I am sure, and need not any more exposure via any means. I would not care if TPB removed the torrent, because I definitely do not need/want the content of it, but at the same time, it seems other people do (you can call them freaks if you would like, non-professional historians, etc).
I would strongly be against TPB in general if someone uploaded child pornography and they refused to remove it. For this, my respect for TPB has not really gone down, because they are fighting for the right to freely disseminate information (copyrighted or not), standing up and saying "No more" to the corporate-owned governments of the world, which I totally agree with.
Disconnecting from traditional media is sort of like a cheap cop out because they do not wish to be spoken of any more in the traditional media. I know many people may lose respect for TPB for not removing the torrent, and they know that too. The media will have nothing to say (especially bad things) if TPB refuses to speak with them in any manner. Not a terrible idea.
All in all, I would not mind seeing the torrent removed and, in fact, would prefer to see it removed. The reason is because we, as humans, have something known as respect, and just because we do not know each other and maybe only know of each other by handle via computers, we should still respect the fact that nearly every handle is a real person with feelings, emotions, etc. So many people just love using the word noob to anyone who is new, and this only hinders what can come about from the person who is joining. In real life, the same thing happens. A new person comes in, thought of as a newbie (because they are of course, new), gets less respect for a while and for many people has to prove himself/herself before they can gain any respect. It is an odd system but it has unfortunately become part of being human. Do it enough and you think of everyone new this way and trust no one.
In my opinion, this is exactly how Peter Sunde sees the media. They have no idea who he really is, they are 'new', we all know they generally know nothing about technology, and they make assumptions he does not like. As a man of his word, he wishes to simply let the information propagate on the Internet (on his site) as if it were a street corner where you get everything you need without worrying about litigation, judgement, etc. A utopia of information without bias or censoring is his goal.
Without any sense of how to balance this with the human principles of real respect (feelings, NOT copyrights), he has simply decided to step away from the media for now.
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varnull
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12. September 2008 @ 15:57 |
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Peter Sunde is right again.. It is the "respected" media that is wrong. They use mob culture and twisted morals to destroy and belittle people. They stir up hatred and division so their owners can continue to operate their agenda to control what we think.
The newspapers and TV are no more than a mouthpiece for governments and hysterical mob head holders and violent people. They lie and cheat to influence "public opinion" while taking no responsibility for the damage they cause to society.. screw the lot of them.
Arrogant?.. possibly.. Right to leave public documents available? Certainly.
Why do you morons keep banging on about child pornography? TPB remove and ip ban anybody who attempts to upload that content. It is illegal and they remove illegal material. Check your facts.. or are you a hidden pedo?.. because those who shout the loudest usually have something to hide and will seek to point fingers at others so people don't look at them.
Peter, you have the support of all people who understand freedom of information and the right to make an informed and adult decision about what you look at and look away from. We are the people who matter, not the rabble rousers and media hysterics. Do whatever you see fit. You will not upset us if we don't hear from you on TV or in the papers.. we know we are on the same side. I have been crapped on by the "traditional media" also... bunch of twisters and liars all.
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tefarko
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12. September 2008 @ 16:30 |
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TPB should have a "default" response to those requests to remove torrents from their site saying simply "if it's illegal we'll remove it, else we won't"...
I am sure that many torrents point to disgusting material (including some pop songs and recent Hollywood movies... :P) but it's not TPB's role to judge them, especially in a world constantly harassed by the Politically Correct mob...
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domie
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12. September 2008 @ 16:40 |
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Paint it or dress it up any way that you like :- Peter Sunde has made an absolutely massive personal fortune out of TPB - ermm don't we all argue that it's OK to share and pirate as long as you don't make a profit ?
His personal fortune and that of the other 2 founders ( which runs into many hundreds of thousands of dollars ) is of course due almost entirely to the advertising revenue that they make every month ( and don't forget the donation appeal to buy an island ) - what happened to that ? - off to the bank deposit no doubt or in one of the 6 homes they have bought between them in the fashionable stockholm suburbs.
Plus he has always been one hell of an arrogant little shit... only he would think of sending a rude email to the father of murdered children whose autopsies his site was helping to spread in the form of torrents.
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12. September 2008 @ 17:00 |
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I stand behind their decision, if not their rudeness. TPB has suceeded because they have steadfastly refused to make judgement calls on these things and simply let the net censor itself.
The kiddy porn argument is a red-herring. It's illegal so its removed.
It is not TPB's job to judge the morality of the files made available. If they started doing that then where would it end? Should pictures of 9/11 be removed to spare the feelings of those who lost loved ones in that attack?
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ikari
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12. September 2008 @ 18:06 |
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Originally posted by varnull:
because those who shout the loudest usually have something to hide and will seek to point fingers at others so people don't look at them.
So true, varnull, so true.
As for the rest of your comment, I wonder if it is possible for you to make a valid arguement without blantly insulting a poster(s) everytime?
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12. September 2008 @ 19:48 |
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Well I feel that this marks the beginning of the end for Pirate bay, and the fanfare from the cyberworld, I want to point out this quote "Against their word however, the show began with the father of the children speaking via video"...this means that Peter Sunde had to be promised they would not bring the father on, nor talk about that issue, thats pretty lame, to sit behind your PC and act like Billy bada$$ to someone, and cower away, and demand stipulations like a diva. F' U Peter Sunde, stick to your guns on this topic, and by the end you will be turning that gun barrell on yourself!
boycott the media, it doesnt matter, their arrogance and stubborness has become their downfall..
I am satisfied to see so many turn against these A-holes.
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Rosetta
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12. September 2008 @ 20:52 |
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Every situation is different. I think it was a bit arrogant of TPB to not even contemplate the removal of the torrent, having done so they could have avoided all this drama. And as much as we may love TPB lets face it, they have a reputation as being very arrogant and cocky (admittedly one must be in that line of work).
This particular torrent is a special circumstance, had they have looked at the case and made a proper analysis maybe the decision, and thus the outcome would have been different. After all it is not every day a father requests the pictures of his dead children be removed from a website, because its a rare and unusual occurance.
All this freedom stuff is crap, have you considered what some of the more sadistic in our society would do if all were granted with this complete freedom. We need to draw the line somewhere and make a stand, we need to let people know that they are pushing the boundaries and there is some things we just wont stand for. Ask yourselves this, when will YOU draw the line.
As this uploader has pushed the boundaries and loaded this content someone else will push it further and whats next, films of rapes and murders redaily available and at your fingertips?
What I am saying is we all should have the right to freedom, you can all download what you want. but within reason, within moral code, values and respect for humanity, but I am not saying you must all adhere to my moral codes and values. We are a diverse society and to get along we need some conformity on these kinds of issues.
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DRokKer
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12. September 2008 @ 20:57 |
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About time they cut ties with these media whores. they just suck you in and then drop you when they think it will suit them or there lobbyists.
the media are running scared the internet is taking away there hold on the masses. while ever we have forums to discus and share the truth about what's really going on in the world, they are withered.
@ rosetta have you considered the strong possibility that the whole thing was staged by a member/s of the media. how hard would it be for a reporter with no story, to go and acquire these pictures and upload them. then contact the children's family and ask them if they are aware of what's on pirate bay. how did the farther find out they are on the net? who told him? why does he believe that the pirate bay is responsible? these are questions the media should be investigating IMO.
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KKM
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12. September 2008 @ 21:50 |
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GREAT !
Now all you weirdo's can post Child porn on Pirate Bay.
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Tutsumi
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13. September 2008 @ 00:11 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
Are you really that daft? They have moderators going through 24/7 to get rid of stuff like that.
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windsong
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13. September 2008 @ 00:33 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
Are you really that daft? They have moderators going through 24/7 to get rid of stuff like that.
I wish the idiots would just skim past my posts since they obviously don't see the correlation. If he is proudly hanging out pictures or links of someones dead children out there, how far of a stretch is it to say he would allow links to nude pics of them? He is only a stones throw away from doing so. Give it a few years, and he might even endorse it. Slippery slope and all that.
Nothing but a horde of sick nazis IMHO.
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atomicxl
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13. September 2008 @ 00:48 |
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Originally posted by DRokKer:
@ rosetta have you considered the strong possibility that the whole thing was staged by a member/s of the media. how hard would it be for a reporter with no story, to go and acquire these pictures and upload them. then contact the children's family and ask them if they are aware of what's on pirate bay. how did the farther find out they are on the net? who told him? why does he believe that the pirate bay is responsible? these are questions the media should be investigating IMO.
And the pirate's bay fell for it hook line and sinker. TPB makes everyone look bad when they get their kicks off of rubbing pics of dead children in the face of the parents and then giving a middle finger screaming "freedom of speech".
People forget that the back end of freedom of speech is that people have the right to disagree with you and the right to do what they can to bring you down as long as they stay within the limits of the law.
TPB isn't some wholesome site or anything, its like a collection of stolen content. They already walk a thin rope. Championing pictures of dead children doesn't help their image nor will it win them supporters.
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13. September 2008 @ 00:59 |
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I stopped reading comments on this one.
I think that this is seriously messed up. To me, this isn't about freedom of speech. It's about being decent people.
Just because you are a pirate doesn't mean that you have to lack every sentiment of compassion...
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13. September 2008 @ 04:51 |
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Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
They have removed content in the past at the request of users.
But this is another attempt by the authorities to blacken the name of the pirate bay with the usual state controlled propaganda, in the past there was supposed content uploaded as part of the smear campaign against the site by the Americian media giants, with the hope of getting the pirate bay onto "The child porn filter list" but the Swedish Police were unable to supply any links or downloaded files to support their case & the police ended up being used as tools in another epic fail thanks to the RIAA/MPAA.
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13. September 2008 @ 05:01 |
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do you really think pirate bay is any different than the media the claim to eschew?not on your life.freedom of speech and expression can be abused no matter what you call yourself.
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13. September 2008 @ 08:45 |
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Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
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Originally posted by windsong:
Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
The better question is : what if someone had posted pictures of one of the Pirate Bay's admins dead kids, or dead family members?
I'll bet there'd be no question that they would have come down.
Screw the Pirate Bay, I hope they are brought down now.
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13. September 2008 @ 09:51 |
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Originally posted by subpopz :
Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
you know i think that is the rhetoric that the USA government used against ogrish.com (what if someone had posted pictures of one of their kids) when it had a freedom of speech policy before they were taken down because too many ppl saw the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq, especially after videos of US troops using white phosphorus in fallujah, iraq appeared, the site was taken off of the net the very next day and now you get directed to liveleak (208.71.130.253) which is heavily moderated by pro american ding bats.
but still many videos appear showing the reality of the Amercian led occupations around the globe, and where do they appear, why the piratebay and mininova.
keep ppl dumb and control them through fear: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OnserZOf1-4
any restriction of free speech is bad, it is your choice to view content, don't force your opinions on others to restrict the flow of information that is oppression.
Romani ite domum
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13. September 2008 @ 10:21 |
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you guys are just making TPB hit counter larger and larger =]
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varnull
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13. September 2008 @ 10:23 |
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Just because you are a pirate doesn't mean that you have to lack every sentiment of compassion...
And how many times have we heard that whine from those who would censor information and the access to it.?
I notice people are still pulling up these pictures like there is something wrong with publicly available information being publicly available. It has nothing to do with the site owners.. the person who should be asked to remove it is THE ORIGINAL UPLOADER. If they say "screw you" than that's that.
Tell you what.. why don't we just take the whole internet down.. because it obviously offends everybody.. and while we are at it lets burn all the history and medical books in the libraries.
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13. September 2008 @ 11:29 |
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Just because you are a pirate doesn't mean that you have to lack every sentiment of compassion...
And how many times have we heard that whine from those who would censor information and the access to it.?
I notice people are still pulling up these pictures like there is something wrong with publicly available information being publicly available. It has nothing to do with the site owners.. the person who should be asked to remove it is THE ORIGINAL UPLOADER. If they say "screw you" than that's that.
Tell you what.. why don't we just take the whole internet down.. because it obviously offends everybody.. and while we are at it lets burn all the history and medical books in the libraries.
You would seriously compare removing pictures of a parent's dead child at the request of the parent the same as burning down libraries, medical books and other Fahrenheit 451?
Even more shocking, you'd say that they are one in the same?
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13thHouR
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13. September 2008 @ 11:38 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl :
You would seriously compare removing pictures of a parent's dead child at the request of the parent the same as burning down libraries, medical books and other Fahrenheit 451?
Even more shocking, you'd say that they are one in the same?
ok lets clarify this for you, as you obviously do not understand the word censor.
censor = http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censor
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1. an official who examines books, plays, news reports, motion pictures, radio and television programs, letters, cablegrams, etc., for the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds.
2. any person who supervises the manners or morality of others.
3. an adverse critic; faultfinder.
4. (in the ancient Roman republic) either of two officials who kept the register or census of the citizens, awarded public contracts, and supervised manners and morals.
5. (in early Freudian dream theory) the force that represses ideas, impulses, and feelings, and prevents them from entering consciousness in their original, undisguised forms.
?verb (used with object)
6. to examine and act upon as a censor.
7. to delete (a word or passage of text) in one's capacity as a censor.
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