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rob&keri
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I was using ConvertXtoDVD 2(I think) and when I added a avi film into the program (around 1.4GB) it gave me a DVD at about 4.5GB.

The problem started all of a sudden, I've uprated to ConvertXtodvd 3 and now the program is only giving me a DVD film (disc) of about 2-2.5GB. So my question is why?

Rob
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davexnet
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It's not the input size in GB that's relevant,
but the running time in minutes.
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rob&keri
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1.25 mins
1.25Gb before
1.86Gb after conversion
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davexnet
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Originally posted by rob&keri:
 1.25 mins
Is this 1 minute 25 seconds? Or 1 hour 25 minutes?

If it's 1 hour 25 minutes, you should expect it to fill the DVD.
Check the bit rate chosen (or defaulted to) in the convertxtodvd
program.
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rob&keri
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can't seem to find where the bit rate is

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davexnet
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Doesn't the program create a log file?
If you peruse it, at least you'll be able to find out what it used.

I would look in the video and/or title settings for the bitrate.
I can't tell you anything more specific, since I don't have it
installed.
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There is no Bitrate setting in ConvertXtoDVD, wish there was, just the quality setting. It encodes to a max of 9800 to fill the DVD but my encode's seem to be around 5500 resulting in a DVD under 4 G, nowhere as low as your's but could be larger. Maybe quality can't be improved on by a higher Bitrate in my case but 1.86 G is definitely an issue. Maybe a reinstall would help but I doubt it, v 3 here too, checking the log is a good idea, never even thought of it. By the way, a standalone converter where I can set the Bitrate is accurate on these files.
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DVD Flick has an option for bitrate setting. Don't know how useful is though, I think on "automatic" the programs select the optimal bitrate to achieve maximum quality using the space available
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Originally posted by mistycat:
 There is no Bitrate setting in ConvertXtoDVD, wish there was, just the quality setting. It encodes to a max of 9800 to fill the DVD but my encode's seem to be around 5500 resulting in a DVD under 4 G, nowhere as low as your's but could be larger. Maybe quality can't be improved on by a higher Bitrate in my case but 1.86 G is definitely an issue. Maybe a reinstall would help but I doubt it, v 3 here too, checking the log is a good idea, never even thought of it. By the way, a standalone converter where I can set the Bitrate is accurate on these files.

There is only so much you can squeeze out of a quality compromised Xvid. If starting from a pristine original source the higher the bitrate the better. But with an Xvid it seems that 4X the original bitrate is more than enough to get all the quality that's possible. Hence a 1 hr 40 min Xvid with a bitrate of 990 should look identical with a DVD bitrate of 4000 kb/s vs. a blank filling 5800 kb/s one.

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By the way, a standalone converter where I can set the Bitrate is accurate on these files.

Well of course. They are aiming to keep the average bitrate at where you set it. CXD is trying to ascertain what the bitrate should be based on need, according to the complexity of the scene, hence very low action movies would end up smaller as there is no reason to go to a higher bitrate.

I agree that 1.86GB seems too small but it might just a anomaly based on that one file. No software is perfect.
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rob&keri
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The funny thing is its every avi I use and doesn't change when I change the setting from 'medium' to 'high' encoding.

It used to work fine before I reinstalled my XP and month or two, I have tried version 2 & 3 but with the same effect.

The output file gets larger depending on the length of avi but to no where near the 4.5gd that is should be


Just done the same file with Nero Vision and the end product is a 4.93gb DVD, that takes hours to do though, convert used to be easy, fast and good. Not sure what happened
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Originally posted by rob&keri:
 I was using ConvertXtoDVD 2(I think) and when I added a avi film into the program (around 1.4GB) it gave me a DVD at about 4.5GB.

The problem started all of a sudden, I've uprated to ConvertXtodvd 3 and now the program is only giving me a DVD film (disc) of about 2-2.5GB. So my question is why?

Rob

By any chance, do you have a conversion log that ConvetxtoDVD generates? I am not sure where it is saved, I do not use the software.
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rob&keri
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Originally posted by cyprusrom:

By any chance, do you have a conversion log that ConvetxtoDVD generates? I am not sure where it is saved, I do not use the software.
HOPE THIS HELPS



27/11/2008 22:15:24 info ********** Report session closed ***********
27/11/2008 22:14:29 info --------------Encoding end--------------
27/11/2008 21:23:47 info Total size in built folder 1901 Mb., Target size DVD5 4400 Mb., Occupation 43.22%
27/11/2008 21:23:47 info Conversion completed in 01:16:12
27/11/2008 21:23:34 info ------------Converting Menu--------------
27/11/2008 21:23:34 info Generated duration 5144.40 sec., expected 5144.36 sec.
27/11/2008 21:23:34 warning 25555 frames dropped
27/11/2008 21:23:34 warning 11 frames duplicated
27/11/2008 21:22:55 info Chapter #18 start at 84:59.640
27/11/2008 21:18:35 info Chapter #17 start at 80:0.120
27/11/2008 21:14:11 info Chapter #16 start at 75:0.000
27/11/2008 21:09:42 info Chapter #15 start at 69:59.880
27/11/2008 21:05:21 info Chapter #14 start at 64:59.920
27/11/2008 21:00:50 info Chapter #13 start at 59:59.960
27/11/2008 20:56:19 info Chapter #12 start at 54:59.640
27/11/2008 20:51:57 info Chapter #11 start at 49:59.640
27/11/2008 20:47:36 info Chapter #10 start at 44:59.960
27/11/2008 20:43:04 info Chapter #9 start at 39:59.800
27/11/2008 20:38:34 info Chapter #8 start at 34:59.840
27/11/2008 20:34:25 info Chapter #7 start at 29:59.840
27/11/2008 20:29:57 info Chapter #6 start at 24:59.880
27/11/2008 20:25:15 info Chapter #5 start at 19:59.720
27/11/2008 20:20:42 info Chapter #4 start at 15:0.040
27/11/2008 20:16:22 info Chapter #3 start at 9:59.760
27/11/2008 20:11:58 info Chapter #2 start at 4:59.840
27/11/2008 20:07:35 info Stream #1 Sync. delay : 0.00 ms
27/11/2008 20:07:35 info Stream #0 Sync. delay : 0.00 ms
27/11/2008 20:07:35 info Output Stream#1 - Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s, Automatic gain control 18.0 dB
27/11/2008 20:07:35 info Output Stream#0 - Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576, q=2-31, 6836 kb/s
27/11/2008 20:07:35 info Video Stream #0 framerate : 25.00 Fps (source 25.00 Fps), no pulldown
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info No pulldown: Frame duplication/removal will be used.
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Video source original frame rate: 29.97
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info PAL 25 FPS output format set by user
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Widescreen (16:9) set by user
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Video bitrate 0/6836/8808 Kbps (min/avg/max)
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Converting "D:\files to convert and films\Madagascar.II.Escape.From.Africa.avi"
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info ----------------Title #1----------------
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Project size 4.3 Gb. (120 Mb. audio - 4.17 Gb. video)
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Stream #1 - Audio: mp3, 32000 Hz, stereo, 256 kb/s
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Stream #0 - Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 704x384
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info 2 Stream(s) found - est. duration 01:25:44.364
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Opening file "D:\files to convert and films\Madagascar.II.Escape.From.Africa.avi"
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Don't fix audio gaps
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Engine Log
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Encoder quality: 50%
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info --------------Encoding begin--------------
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info --------------Menu settings end--------------
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Sequential playback
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Loop playback
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Auto start playback
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [X] Menu
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info --------------Menu settings begin--------------
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info --------------Default burn settings end--------------
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Default speed selected: 4x
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVDRAM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info New Drive selected : 0:0:0 - Optiarc DVD RW AD-7200S 1.04 [F] (Ide)
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Delete files after burn complete
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Don't eject after burn complete
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Prefer SAO for DVD-R
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Include originals
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info [ ] Burn result to DVD
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info --------------Default burn settings begin--------------
27/11/2008 20:03:17 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
27/11/2008 20:03:17 info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
27/11/2008 20:03:17 info Version 2.1.18.242
27/11/2008 20:03:17 info ExeName : "I:\VSO\ConvertXtoDVD\ConvertXtoDVD.exe"
27/11/2008 20:03:17 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
27/11/2008 20:03:16 info ******************** Report session started ********************


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davexnet
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Your log contains this line:
27/11/2008 21:23:34 warning 25555 frames dropped

There is probably something wrong with the source file,
and/or CnvXtodvd's ability to read it.

At this point, probably best to consult the program authors:
http://forums.vso-software.fr/
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cyprusrom
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I found a similar problem here, but it doesn't seem to be the cause in your case from what the log says :
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27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Project size 4.3 Gb. (120 Mb. audio - 4.17 Gb. video)
http://www.cdr-zone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24668


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rob&keri
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This happens on ALL the video I put in it never goes about 2.5GB output, but it always used to?


Just tried doing another with Convertxtodvd 3

29/11/2008 20:22:55 info ***************** Encoding end **********************
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info BURN: Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVDRAM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info BURN: Drive has Serial ATA physical interface
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info BURN: New Drive selected : 0:0:0 - Optiarc DVD RW AD-7200S 1.04 [F] (Ide)
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info Total size 1494 Mb., Target size DVD5 4300 Mb., Occupation 34.75%
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info Conversion completed in 00:47:14
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info Rendering rate: 2.27 x Realtime
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info DVD duration (incl. menus) 01:47:26 (~ 6446 sec.) - rendering time 00:47:14
29/11/2008 20:18:38 info Generated duration 6446.80 sec., expected 6447.36 sec.
29/11/2008 20:16:21 info 3 frames duplicated
29/11/2008 20:14:28 info Chapter #22 start at 105:0.093
29/11/2008 20:12:31 info Chapter #21 start at 100:0.294
29/11/2008 20:10:38 info Chapter #20 start at 94:59.994
29/11/2008 20:08:15 info Chapter #19 start at 90:0.311
29/11/2008 20:06:16 info Chapter #18 start at 85:0.011
29/11/2008 20:04:21 info Chapter #17 start at 80:0.212
29/11/2008 20:02:26 info Chapter #16 start at 75:0.412
29/11/2008 20:00:34 info Chapter #15 start at 70:0.112
29/11/2008 19:58:20 info Chapter #14 start at 65:0.062
29/11/2008 19:56:25 info Chapter #13 start at 60:0.396
29/11/2008 19:54:26 info Chapter #12 start at 55:0.096
29/11/2008 19:52:29 info Chapter #11 start at 50:0.297
29/11/2008 19:50:32 info Chapter #10 start at 45:0.114
29/11/2008 19:48:34 info Chapter #9 start at 40:0.314
29/11/2008 19:46:36 info Chapter #8 start at 35:0.014
29/11/2008 19:44:17 info Chapter #7 start at 30:0.215
29/11/2008 19:42:12 info Chapter #6 start at 25:0.415
29/11/2008 19:40:08 info Chapter #5 start at 20:0.115
29/11/2008 19:38:07 info Chapter #4 start at 15:0.316
29/11/2008 19:35:45 info Chapter #3 start at 10:0.399
29/11/2008 19:33:45 info Chapter #2 start at 4:59.966
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Output Stream #2 (AUDIO) - ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Output Stream #1 (VIDEO) - mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480 [PAR 32:27 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 4995 kb/s, pulldown: 23.976 -> 29.97 Fps
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Video processing: Fast bilinear resampler (704*288)->(720*336)
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Video processing: Pad (Left:0 - Top:72 - Right:0 - Bottom:72)
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Video processing: Deinterlace (704*288)
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Chapter sequences require 464 Mb. temp space
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info ****** Source file #1 END DETAILS ******
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Stream #2 (AUDIO): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 384 kb/s [RAW COPY]
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Stream #1 (VIDEO): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 704x288 [PAR 1:1 DAR 22:9], 23.98 FPS
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Type: Audio/Video file with 2 stream(s) - Playback order:1 - Queue:0
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info D:\files to convert and films\Q.avi
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info *********** Source file #1 BEGIN DETAILS ***********
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Video bitrate has been set to maximum possible value for DVD specifications. Target size may not be reached.
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Video bitrate 0/4995/9416 Kbps (min/avg/max)
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info OUTPUT ==> Resolution: FULL D1 [720*480], Format: NTSC, Aspect ratio: 16:9
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info *
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info ======================= TITLESET #1 =======================
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info *
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info 2 Stream(s) found - est. duration 01:46:07.361, reference 01:46:07.361
29/11/2008 19:31:25 info Opening file "D:\files to convert and films\Q.avi"
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info Project size 4.17 Gb. (297 Mb. audio - 3.87 Gb. video)
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [ ] Don't fix audio gaps
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [X] Engine Log
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info Encoding quality: Medium
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info ****************** Encoding begin *******************
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info **************** Menu settings end ******************
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [X] Don't create title menu for single video
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [ ] Return to title menu after titleset playback
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [ ] Skip root menu initially
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [ ] Play titles one after the other
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [ ] Loop playback
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info [ ] Auto-start playback
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info Menu fit: Text size reduced from 30 to 27 in style "title"
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info Template: Black Mirror with video, contains 4 page(s), 19 customizable element(s)
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info *************** Menu settings begin *****************
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info **************** Burn settings end ******************
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info Default speed selected: 4x
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info BURN: Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVDRAM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info BURN: Drive has Serial ATA physical interface
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info BURN: New Drive selected : 0:0:0 - Optiarc DVD RW AD-7200S 1.04 [F] (Ide)
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info [ ] Delete DVD folder after burn complete
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info [ ] Don't eject disc or open DVD folder in explorer, after burn complete
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info SAO setting: Automatic
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info [ ] Add original files to DVD (if possible)
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info [X] Burn result to DVD
29/11/2008 19:31:11 info **************** Burn settings begin ****************
29/11/2008 19:27:47 info 34 Menu templates loaded.
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info BURN: Compatible media types : DVD-R, DVD-RW Seq., DVD-RW RO, DVDRAM, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-R, CD-RW, DL DVD+R, DL DVD-R
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info BURN: Drive has Serial ATA physical interface
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info BURN: New Drive selected : 0:0:0 - Optiarc DVD RW AD-7200S 1.04 [F] (Ide)
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info BURN: Using Patin-Couffin driver Version 1.37, Internal revision 37 - Async. Access mode
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info Supported instruction set: 3DNow
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info Tuning Performances for AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ with 1 core(s) CPU
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info User default language : 2057 (0x0809h) - English (United Kingdom)
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info System default language : 1033 (0x0409h) - English (United States)
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info Version 3.2.0.52
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info ExeName : "I:\VSO\ConvertX\3\ConvertXtoDVD.exe"
29/11/2008 19:27:45 info OS : Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
29/11/2008 19:27:43 info ******************** Report session started ********************



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MysticE
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Seems you are stuck in 'Medium' for both versions:

27/11/2008 20:07:34 info Encoder quality: 50%
27/11/2008 20:07:34 info --------------Encoding begin--------------


29/11/2008 19:31:24 info Encoding quality: Medium
29/11/2008 19:31:24 info ****************** Encoding begin *******************
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Hey, you call also compress converted files created in ConvertXtoDVD in NERO Recode 2 or 3.
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Originally posted by N2DVD:
 Hey, you call also compress converted files created in ConvertXtoDVD in NERO Recode 2 or 3.

Ah? Reiterate pls...Maybe is just me not getting it,after a few whiskey&coke...
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rob&keri
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even when I change the output to high I get the same size dvd doesn't make any difference.

I have been using Nero recode but it takes two hours+ to convert anything
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Hello -
I downloaded and installed the current trial (Version. 3.30).
When I set the quality to "high" it much more closely followed
the stated "average" bitrate as mentioned on this line:
Video bitrate 0/6836/8808 Kbps (min/avg/max).

Thus, almost the whole DVD was used, for a 1 hour 20 minute project.
Give this new version a try - perhaps something has been fixed.

If you want to persist with V2, examine the log closely.
Looked for dropped frames, average bitrate, the q setting
and other anomalies:
"Output Stream#0 - Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576, q=2-31, 6836 kb/s "
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rob&keri
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You wouldn't believe it but I did put the new version I have back on and changed the conversion to high and now I'm getting a full DVD?

I think programs just do what they want and laugh about it to each other in cyber space !!
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