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Bootay
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2. December 2008 @ 10:35 |
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Hello everyone,
Sorry for the long post but I have a very strange problem and for the life of me I cannot figure it out. I have a NEC DVD burner (the model doesn't matter at this point as you will read below). I always just used whatever media was on sale and I mostly used Memorex because they were the cheapest. Never had a problem with any brands of media including Memorex. A couple of months ago I bought 2 50 packs of Memorex and all 50 of the first pack were bad burns. No errors during the burn, all 50 said they were burned successfully. I use DVD Decrypter BTW.
Since I have had this NEC drive for 3 years with not one single bad burn (including mostly Memorex DL) I assumed that the burns were good especially since DVD Decrypter gave a success message. I mean why would I think different? I just kept burning DVDs without trying to play them. Later when I tried to watch some of the DVDs they would not play in my player. Here's where the frustration comes in.
At first I thought it was my player, so I tried the one in my basement, and the one in my son's room. All different models and none of them would read the DVDs (ALL 50 of them).
So next I figured my burner was finally taking a dump on me. I was strapped for cash so I bought a cheap burner, an ASUS one. I opened the next 50 pack and tried to burn a DVD with the new ASUS drive and got the exact same result. DVD Decrypter says the burn is successful, but no player will read the disc.
Next I thought I might need to format and reinstall Windows since it had been nearly a year. Same results after the format and reinstall.
Next I figured it could be an issue with my computer hardware itself...maybe motherboard or IDE controller, who knows...grasping at straws at this point. So I tried both drives in my wife's PC and once again, same results.
My wife for some reason decided to buy a Sony burner and LG burner for me to try (even though I already tried a different drive. They were on sale.) and of course they both had the same results.
So grasping at straws again I figure that the DVDs that I bought were just bad. But it seems unlikely that 100 DVDs would all be bad and plus these exact brand of Memorex DVDs worked fine before. So I bought a 50 pack of TDK DVDs and still have the exact same problem. All brands of CDs and single layer DVDs work fine, it is only DL DVDs. It does not matter if it is DVD movies or games for PC or PS2 or 360 they all fail to play. I am pulling my hair out here. For the last 3 years I have had no problems with DL no matter what the brand. None of this makes any sense to me and it has me thinking about it non-stop all day and it drives me nuts. It is even keeping me up at night. If anyone has any suggestions please, please, please, fire away.
Thank you!
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2. December 2008 @ 11:03 |
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Try the famous Verbatim (MKM) and have ImgBurn booktyped to DVD-ROM.
When it comes to DVD+R DL media, I only used Verbs. (MKM) and booktyped into DVD-ROM and never had any issue with them.
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2. December 2008 @ 13:13 |
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1. use imgburn instead of dvd decrypter
2. the memorex code out as Ritek which is ok media but as said the Verbatims DVD+R DL are the best
3. booktype to DVD-ROM
4. burn at 2.4x to 4x max
5. are you sure the DVD players you have support playback of DVD+R DL media? some don't
6. try the backups on a freinds DVD player or take the backup to Best Buys etc. and see if it will playback there
7. make sure you have to most up to date firmware for you're drive/burner
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2. December 2008 @ 13:54 |
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as the 2 gurus ahead of me stated try the verbatim dl 8x disc you shouldnt have any problems...but on your situation i have had the same issue with the memorex dl disc getting a complete burn and not playing in anything... from whati have found i didnt booktype them to dvd-rom. that was causeing the problem for me. you say you have a sont and a LG drive now. im sure the sony will booketype with no problem seeing it is moslt likey a rebadged liteon. im not sure on the LG if it can booktype ive never had one. in most all of the burning programs there is a way to set the booktype you will just need to look around in each program you use... also as stated before imageburn is great for DL disc and it lets you setup auto booktype for all media.
hope that helps you out some...
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Bootay
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2. December 2008 @ 15:09 |
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Thanks guys. I do use ImgBurn booktyped to DVD-ROM as well but had the same results. Sorry. I should have mentioned that.
@ZoSoIV
1. I use both and they both do not work
2. I borrowed a Verbatum from a friend and it worked. But I have burned literally hundreds of Memorex DLs and they all worked before. Strange.
3. Tried it.
4. My NEC burner only burns at 2.4 but the others go faster and the LG does 20x. But I tried all different speeds with no luck.
5. Yes. I literally burned hundreds of DL DVDs and they all worked fine and still do. Just not the recent ones.
6. I tried this and the same results occured.
7. I tried this too.
The only thing I can think of is SP3. The problem started around the time I installed SP3 and when I formatted and reinstalled I just instinctively ran all the updates before trying to burn anything. When I get home I will try reinstalling Windows and not installed SP3. I know it seems unlikely that this is the problem but I am willing to try anything.
I recently tried a Verbatum like a said, and a Sony and both brands of DLs seemed to work. I am not opposed to using these brands and may just stick to using them because I don't feel like troubleshooting this issue anymore. The price is what gets me though. I can get 50 Memorex for $40 vs 50 Verbatums for $60. But I guess I will pay the extra $20 to not have to deal with the headaches. I will let you all know how the SP3 thing pans out though even though it is doubtful.
Thanks everyone.
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2. December 2008 @ 16:21 |
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I have SP3 so i'm pretty sure thats not the problem. just for kicks use DVD Identfier and see what the memorex code out as. have you considered using DVD Rebuilder (encoding/burning to a dvd-5) instead of using expensive DVD+R DL media. 1.70 for DVD+R DL vs 25 cent each for DVD+/-R SL media is something to thing about
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Bootay
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2. December 2008 @ 17:39 |
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I have never tried nor heard of the program. I tried DVD Shrink back in the day and did not like the quality loss. It was noticeable especially in action scenes on my LCD TV. I will give it a shot.
The only reason I mentioned SP3 is because when I was doing Google searches about my issue I was running across a lot of people having problems burning to DL DVDs after installing SP3 and uninstalling SP3 resolved their issue. After reading these posts I realized that my issue really didn't start until I installed SP3. It is me just grasping at straws again. I am gonna try and uninstall SP3 and see what happens when I get home from work in about 2 hours.
Thanks.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. December 2008 @ 17:46
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Bootay
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3. December 2008 @ 09:52 |
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Alright. I Just wanted to update everyone. I tried uninstalling SP3 and it did not work. I know we pretty much already knew it wouldn't make a difference, but I just wanted to update everyone. I am pretty much done trying to figure it out. I will just use Verbatum and Sony. Apparently all of the burners that I tried just do not like the newer Ritek media, because Memorex used to have an orange package and those worked. The ones that do not work for me are the Memorex in the purple package. I never tried TDK before and just boguht those to try because they were cheap but they are also Ritek and do not work. So I will try to Google a list of all Ritek media and just stay away from those brands.
As for DVD Rebuilder, I will give it a try for movies and as long as I don't see a noticeable drop it quality like I did with DVD Shrink I will use it. Burning to SL would be much better and cheaper anyway.
Thanks everyone.
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3. December 2008 @ 11:19 |
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you won't notice any quality loss using DVD Rebuilder, its the only way to fly for high quality backups not to mention the savings between using a DVD+R DL vs a DVD+/-R SL media
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JoeRyan
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3. December 2008 @ 12:00 |
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You do not mention the recording speeds of the DL discs in question. My guess is that you had been using 2.4X and 4X DL media, but now you switched to 8X because that was what was available from Memorex. 8X DL discs from Ritek are IS discs--inverse stack. This is a different production method from that used for 2.4X and 4X. It is less expensive, does not waste a polymer transfer disc, and produces higher yields and better quality discs. However, the discs will appear to be upside down to a DVD burner that is not tuned to recording DL discs. Slowing down record speeds sometimes helps, but that is not typical. It DOES matter which NEC model you have--only the most recent can record DVD+R DL IS discs.
Imation has purchased the Memorex brand and the rights to TDK discs. Since the same purchasing department does the buying, I suspect TDK DL media will also be coming from Ritek and will likely be IS production. Your NEC drive will definitely fail with IS discs since its top DL speed is 2.4X. However, your LG drive that is "20X" ought to be tuned to IS production, especially since Ritek is producing far more DL discs than any other factory. Look for a firmware update for that drive that may help. (LG may be a bit late in updating firmware for IS media since all drive manufacturers let most of their firmware engineers go once drive prices collapsed.)
Verbatim and Sony DL media are either 4X or, if 8X, using the more expensive 2P production method. Sooner or later they, too, will have to make the switch to IS in order to compete with Ritek. Moving some DL production to MBI is an indication of pricing pressure that will end up forcing the move.
I believe that this is the source of your problem, guessing from the symptoms you describe; but there is not enough information to be sure. There is nothing wrong with the Ritek quality--in general--but the move to IS production may be the cause.
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3. December 2008 @ 12:59 |
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Bootay
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3. December 2008 @ 14:36 |
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@JoeRyan
Interesting. The only reason I said that the model didn't matter was because I tried 4 drives and 3 of the 4 were brand new from Best Buy and all different Models. I do not know the model off hand. (I am at work) I was not aware of the different DL production types. I tried burning at all different speeds BTW. And the DVDs I bought are 8x I believe. The 2.4x and 4x ones did all work fine in the past and even the Sony DVDs I tried recently that worked were also 2.4.
I believe I tried updating the firmware on the NEC. I have been having this issue for about 3-4 months now so I cannot remember.
@alkohol
I will try and update the NEC when I get home since this is the one I would prefer to stick with out of the bunch. (I am planning on returning the rest and getting my money back) If it doesn't work I will try it on the others since the NEC may just be too old. And BTW I always booktype to DVD-ROM and I do use IMGBurn.
Thanks.
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JoeRyan
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3. December 2008 @ 17:32 |
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If the discs that fail are 8X, then that is the problem. Forget the ratings and information at digitalfaq. A third is correct, a third is completely wrong, and a third is too bizarre to even judge. I think they mean well, but it is immediately obvious to optical engineers that those people have no clue as to what they are talking about.
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Bootay
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4. December 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Well. I tried updating the firmware for the NEC and it says that it cannot find the drive when I try to run it. Not sure why since I am downloading the correct firmware. The NEC is a ND3540A.
So I tried the ASUS which is a DRW-1608P3S and updated the firmware in that to the latest and now it won't burn at all without throwing a "Power Calibration Error" unless I burn at 2.4 or lower. But it still had the same issue as before. This drive also cannot be booktyped.
Next I tried the LG which is a GH20LP20 and there are no firmware updates for it. This drive will booktype but in the summary before I click the button to start the burn it says "Booktype=DVD+R DL" still even though I changed it to DVD-ROM. Not sure if this is normal because I have never paid attention before. But this drive still does the same thing. So far 125 DLs wasted in this mess.
The Sony drive I already took back to Best Buy so I can't try it. My next step is to bring the newest drive which is the LG over to my friend's house and try it in his PC. The only reason I am continuing the troubleshooting is becuase I still have 25 TDKs left. :)
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Bootay
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4. December 2008 @ 10:46 |
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Need to add one more thing. According to Lightning UK the makers of ImgBurn JoeRyan is exactly right. The Ritek-S04-66 are of a new "dye" and not a lot of burners can handle them without a new firmware, even newly bought burners. Like I stated before. I am just gonna use Verbatum and Sony until they switch to this "dye" as well (If they ever do). I will wory about it when no discs work. heh
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JoeRyan
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4. December 2008 @ 14:49 |
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The dye is the same. It's the production process that's different.
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Bootay
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5. December 2008 @ 09:28 |
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Ahhh ok. I don't know what "dye" is, I was just quoting Lightning UK. I went through all of my working DL dvds and they are in fact 2.4x discs. I picked up some Sony ones last night and everything works great.
Thanks JoeRyan for all the info, I now will only buy 2.4x rated discs until I no longer can.
Thanks ZoSoIV for suggesting DVD Rebuilder. I will definitely look into using that for movies.
And thanks everyone else for helping out.
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5. December 2008 @ 10:22 |
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5. December 2008 @ 18:13 |
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Another thing and you said it yourself-cheap. You can get cheap drives and you can get good drives cheap. Go to new egg and get yourself a great drive for under $30 and stop bleeding money to best buy.
newegg.com
some have free shipping and no tax. The new Sony optiarc NEC AD 7200 is a great drive as most of the Lite-Ons- both will booktype to DVD-ROM. Always skip thru your newly burned discs just to check them before putting them away.
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5. December 2008 @ 18:20 |
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