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iSuppli releases BOM report on PlayStation 3 costs
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article published on 30 December, 2008
According to a new Bill of Materials (BOM) report from iSuppli, the second generation 80GB PlayStation 3 console costs $448.73 USD to produce, a 35 percent reduction from first generation pricing as of 2007.
Please note that the number does not include royalty expenses or box content.
iSuppli explains, "A portion of the cost decrease is attributable to normal learning curve and ... [ read the full article ]
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30. December 2008 @ 19:40 |
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Not just cnn saying it. it is good to see that a profit will be turned after this fiscal year. Does anyone know the average turn around time on consoles to make a profit?
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31. December 2008 @ 00:44 |
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Is the cost of BWC still 40$?
Can the PS3 fully play PS2 games yet?
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31. December 2008 @ 01:35 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Is the cost of BWC still 40$?
Can the PS3 fully play PS2 games yet?
BWC???
And no, Sony has no plans to re-introduce PS2-compatibility to the PS3...that's one of the other things that helped cut costs. They still have PS(1) compatibility, though, and they occasionally release downloadable 'PSOne' titles to be played on either the PS3 or PSP.
I bought one of the earlier 60GB models online used for ~$300 that still has hardware PS2-compatibility, but I rarely ever use it for that (and still have an actual PS2 too).
Personally, I think they shoulda had a special slot to add a $30-50 expansion to add hardware PS2-compatibility so that just the people who WANTED that functionality could pay extra for it. Maybe even done the same w/ the the WiFi hardware too!
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Is the cost of BWC still 40$?
Can the PS3 fully play PS2 games yet?
BWC???
And no, Sony has no plans to re-introduce PS2-compatibility to the PS3...that's one of the other things that helped cut costs. They still have PS(1) compatibility, though, and they occasionally release downloadable 'PSOne' titles to be played on either the PS3 or PSP.
I bought one of the earlier 60GB models online used for ~$300 that still has hardware PS2-compatibility, but I rarely ever use it for that (and still have an actual PS2 too).
Personally, I think they shoulda had a special slot to add a $30-50 expansion to add hardware PS2-compatibility so that just the people who WANTED that functionality could pay extra for it. Maybe even done the same w/ the the WiFi hardware too!
Well I keep hearing about better PS2 emulation but I aint seen it and frankly the premium PS3 should the hardware regardless....whats the point in having a lite and premium if you don;t make ti premium...
I have been saying from the start the PS3 should have had moduler parts 150 for HDMI/Component,100 for wifi/wireless,80 for BWC,50$ for multi card reader. Then sell the Lite for 350 and the premium 750.
It would have sold 10M more lite units then the god awful launch unit....
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Does it cost for Sony to bring back PS2 emulation via firmware update? Can't they use software emulation?
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Well I keep hearing about better PS2 emulation but I aint seen it and frankly the premium PS3 should the hardware regardless....whats the point in having a lite and premium if you don;t make ti premium...
I have been saying from the start the PS3 should have had moduler parts 150 for HDMI/Component,100 for wifi/wireless,80 for BWC,50$ for multi card reader. Then sell the Lite for 350 and the premium 750.
It would have sold 10M more lite units then the god awful launch unit....
Where do you keep hearing about better PS2 emulation? They stopped developing the software emulation about a year ago and said they had no plans to continue with it (probably because of software dev costs and too many users complaining about even minor glitches playing PS2 titles).
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Does it cost for Sony to bring back PS2 emulation via firmware update? Can't they use software emulation?
Yeah, they could probably re-enable the 2nd generation PS2 software emulation via a firmware update on the newest models, but like I mentioned above, they wouldn't be tweaking it any further to support more titles and would probably make it a totally unsupported feature. Even SAYING it's unsupported probably wouldn't stop their support from being inundated w/ questions about it, though -- I think support issues are one of the biggest reasons they nixed it on the newest models.
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Backwards compatibility should be scrapped altogether next go round with all consoles.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Well I keep hearing about better PS2 emulation but I aint seen it and frankly the premium PS3 should the hardware regardless....whats the point in having a lite and premium if you don;t make ti premium...
I have been saying from the start the PS3 should have had moduler parts 150 for HDMI/Component,100 for wifi/wireless,80 for BWC,50$ for multi card reader. Then sell the Lite for 350 and the premium 750.
It would have sold 10M more lite units then the god awful launch unit....
Where do you keep hearing about better PS2 emulation? They stopped developing the software emulation about a year ago and said they had no plans to continue with it (probably because of software dev costs and too many users complaining about even minor glitches playing PS2 titles).
Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Does it cost for Sony to bring back PS2 emulation via firmware update? Can't they use software emulation?
Yeah, they could probably re-enable the 2nd generation PS2 software emulation via a firmware update on the newest models, but like I mentioned above, they wouldn't be tweaking it any further to support more titles and would probably make it a totally unsupported feature. Even SAYING it's unsupported probably wouldn't stop their support from being inundated w/ questions about it, though -- I think support issues are one of the biggest reasons they nixed it on the newest models.
Been hearing rumors about a huge firmware update in the works, and frankly I will only buy a new PS6 with one without it the 60GB unit is still on my list to get.
Originally posted by Globe08:
Backwards compatibility should be scrapped altogether next go round with all consoles.
Hell no, BWC sells more systems despite the extra 50-100$ more, if all you have is crappy over priced new games to play you will sell off the POS ASAP, you need that BWC to have a larger library, widen the market thats interested in it, aid older console game sells that push used game sells that aid the used retail outlets that can do more for pushing new games there's just no down side to BWC unless its done piss poorly like on the 360 and PS3.
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I highly disagree that the backwards compatibility sells more systems. It may sell more but doesnt carry its weight in price it cost to include. If you want to play the old games save your money and dont buy a new gaming console. That ideas blows me. Im not interested in keeping gamestop afloat or the retailers you spoke of they rip people off immensely and would be just fine if they went out of business.Yes they provide cheaper games and the ability to get money back also they stimlulate the business in gaming. All said id still rather see them out of business for their insane ripoffs.Buying a 60 dollar game back from you a week after its been released giving you 30 in store credit(22 in cash) and then selling it for $55. You also say bwc is worth it unless you do it like xbox 360 and ps3 which rules out 2 of 3 options so i must be missing something.
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if all you have is crappy over priced new games to play you will sell off the POS ASAP
If thats the scenario then such person shouldnt have purchased the latest console if all they have is overpriced crap. You shoulve kept the old stuff that holds value to said person.Its a decent feature AT BEST. Yes it may do all the things you spoke of from an economic standpoint but from a consumer point of view i spend my money to reap benefits from that purchase not a economic chain reaction.
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I highly disagree that the backwards compatibility sells more systems. It may sell more but doesnt carry its weight in price it cost to include. If you want to play the old games save your money and dont buy a new gaming console. That ideas blows me. Im not interested in keeping gamestop afloat or the retailers you spoke of they rip people off immensely and would be just fine if they went out of business.Yes they provide cheaper games and the ability to get money back also they stimlulate the business in gaming. All said id still rather see them out of business for their insane ripoffs.Buying a 60 dollar game back from you a week after its been released giving you 30 in store credit(22 in cash) and then selling it for $55. You also say bwc is worth it unless you do it like xbox 360 and ps3 which rules out 2 of 3 options so i must be missing something.
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if all you have is crappy over priced new games to play you will sell off the POS ASAP
If thats the scenario then such person shouldnt have purchased the latest console if all they have is overpriced crap. You shoulve kept the old stuff that holds value to said person.Its a decent feature AT BEST. Yes it may do all the things you spoke of from an economic standpoint but from a consumer point of view i spend my money to reap benefits from that purchase not a economic chain reaction.
Meh to make it through new game droughts and fill out your collection BWC is a must period, it helps the industry as a whole far more than it diminishes it.
Also bulding a console that dose not amke a profit from day one will be a impossibility in the future due to cost, so BWC is a must in order to rake in profits by replacing old units.
So IMO there is no loss with BWC unless you build and sell a new console sloppily like the PS3/360 in this 7th generation of gaming.
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I agree to disagree
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Been hearing rumors about a huge firmware update in the works, and frankly I will only buy a new PS6 with one without it the 60GB unit is still on my list to get.
Originally posted by Globe08:
Backwards compatibility should be scrapped altogether next go round with all consoles.
Hell no, BWC sells more systems despite the extra 50-100$ more, if all you have is crappy over priced new games to play you will sell off the POS ASAP, you need that BWC to have a larger library, widen the market thats interested in it, aid older console game sells that push used game sells that aid the used retail outlets that can do more for pushing new games there's just no down side to BWC unless its done piss poorly like on the 360 and PS3.
Well, there are ALWAYS rumors, but Sony about a year ago flat out said they weren't planning on continuing PS2-compatibility on the PS3...only PS(1/One).
I also disagree that its inclusion would sell many more systems...it didn't at first, so why would it 2 years later?
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Originally posted by Globe08:
I agree to disagree
Meh OTT top heavy inefficient hardware and software is far more damning to the industry than mere BWC on any level.
Also smart BWC makes it easier to sale games through the online store generating revenue because you can the game use the the hardware that more developers are fimlaier with creating a large sub market for new games that have lower over head.
Mew thinks you do not see the forest for the trees.... new content alone is a loss not a plus.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Been hearing rumors about a huge firmware update in the works, and frankly I will only buy a new PS6 with one without it the 60GB unit is still on my list to get.
Originally posted by Globe08:
Backwards compatibility should be scrapped altogether next go round with all consoles.
Hell no, BWC sells more systems despite the extra 50-100$ more, if all you have is crappy over priced new games to play you will sell off the POS ASAP, you need that BWC to have a larger library, widen the market thats interested in it, aid older console game sells that push used game sells that aid the used retail outlets that can do more for pushing new games there's just no down side to BWC unless its done piss poorly like on the 360 and PS3.
Well, there are ALWAYS rumors, but Sony about a year ago flat out said they weren't planning on continuing PS2-compatibility on the PS3...only PS(1/One).
I also disagree that its inclusion would sell many more systems...it didn't at first, so why would it 2 years later?
Well the process has been tainted from their mishandling it, I know a few people who have not gotten a PS3 due to price without BWC and I am one of them.
But the pS3 has issues beyond BWC price is still slowing sales, as are development issues(prodominlty coding and cost of dev).
Its not like the 360 dose not have issues but at least its easier to dev for, the WII is just a mess its a solid lil system thats forced fed mostly generic crap because of how the industry dose things now adays, hell peel back the paint on the PS3/360 they are sick with the same generic crap but are not bleeding from every orifice yet...
The Wii is the perfect example of crap sells even HD crap like the 360/PS3 :P
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I agree to disagree
Meh OTT top heavy inefficient hardware and software is far more damning to the industry than mere BWC on any level.
Also smart BWC makes it easier to sale games through the online store generating revenue because you can the game use the the hardware that more developers are fimlaier with creating a large sub market for new games that have lower over head.
Mew thinks you do not see the forest for the trees.... new content alone is a loss not a plus.
It was agreed to disagree for a reason. to not have an argument or spirited debate both which will get us banned here so lets leave it at that.Thanks confucious
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Originally posted by Globe08:
I agree to disagree
Meh OTT top heavy inefficient hardware and software is far more damning to the industry than mere BWC on any level.
Also smart BWC makes it easier to sale games through the online store generating revenue because you can the game use the the hardware that more developers are fimlaier with creating a large sub market for new games that have lower over head.
Mew thinks you do not see the forest for the trees.... new content alone is a loss not a plus.
It was agreed to disagree for a reason. to not have an argument or spirited debate both which will get us banned here so lets leave it at that.Thanks confucious
LOL sorry sorry I went into talking to self mode >>
..least I didnt reply....much..... LOL
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Originally posted by Globe08:
I agree to disagree
Meh OTT top heavy inefficient hardware and software is far more damning to the industry than mere BWC on any level.
Also smart BWC makes it easier to sale games through the online store generating revenue because you can the game use the the hardware that more developers are fimlaier with creating a large sub market for new games that have lower over head.
Mew thinks you do not see the forest for the trees.... new content alone is a loss not a plus.
It was agreed to disagree for a reason. to not have an argument or spirited debate both which will get us banned here so lets leave it at that.Thanks confucious
LOL sorry sorry I went into talking to self mode >>
..least I didnt reply....much..... LOL
It happens to the best of us...now worries lol
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LOL I'm sorry to say this but you guys are noobs when referring to BC.
Sony will release it through firmware because the 80GB Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles are backwards compatible through software which can be implemented through an update.
Why haven't Sony released this? It does take time to create such a feature, but they are most likely finished. Secondly, the PS2 is NOT DEAD YET! The PS2 is a great source of money for the Playstation branch and is allowing Sony to make some money since they lose 50 dollars for every PS3. PS2 and PS3 software and PSP consoles also help. When the PS2 stops selling and is pronounced dead, Sony will introduce BC through firmware.
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Originally posted by r3d2tango:
LOL I'm sorry to say this but you guys are noobs when referring to BC.
Sony will release it through firmware because the 80GB Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles are backwards compatible through software which can be implemented through an update.
Why haven't Sony released this? It does take time to create such a feature, but they are most likely finished. Secondly, the PS2 is NOT DEAD YET! The PS2 is a great source of money for the Playstation branch and is allowing Sony to make some money since they lose 50 dollars for every PS3. PS2 and PS3 software and PSP consoles also help. When the PS2 stops selling and is pronounced dead, Sony will introduce BC through firmware.
Have anyone heard of the ps3 180 gig coming this year with bwc on it and it will be the last one that will be realeased no 40 no 80 just a 180 gig hdd version plus i heard it makes the psone games look better and ps2 games look better.
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ps1 titles do look better but results for ps2 emulation vary. some will look better and some will look noticeably worse. also it is the 160gb uncharted bundle and it is not BC. wait until the ps2 dies and that is when you will see firmware BC included.
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Originally posted by r3d2tango:
LOL I'm sorry to say this but you guys are noobs when referring to BC.
Sony will release it through firmware because the 80GB Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles are backwards compatible through software which can be implemented through an update.
Why haven't Sony released this? It does take time to create such a feature, but they are most likely finished. Secondly, the PS2 is NOT DEAD YET! The PS2 is a great source of money for the Playstation branch and is allowing Sony to make some money since they lose 50 dollars for every PS3. PS2 and PS3 software and PSP consoles also help. When the PS2 stops selling and is pronounced dead, Sony will introduce BC through firmware.
Even more so if they focus on other things and put it off thats more a reason why BWC was not done very well...and that and they thought people would feel hornedto shel out 700$ for a game machine.
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Originally posted by r3d2tango:
LOL I'm sorry to say this but you guys are noobs when referring to BC.
Sony will release it through firmware because the 80GB Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles are backwards compatible through software which can be implemented through an update......Sony will introduce BC through firmware.
WRONG.The only person here that looks like they don't know what they are talking about is the one with the misinformation. The 80gb PS3 that had backwards compatibility STILL had a bit of hardware to allow BC
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the North American 80 GB model also excludes the PlayStation 2 "Emotion Engine" CPU chip. However, it still keeps the "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU. Due to emulation of the "Emotion Engine"
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In the 40 GB model, backwards compatibility with PlayStation 2 titles was omitted completely due to the removal of the PlayStation 2's "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU which omitted all PS2 based hardware from the system
As for Sony implementing BC via software I have a few opinions about that as well...the first is how this actually might NOT happen as it has been widely known that this whole "firmware update for software emulation" rumor probably started with the misunderstanding of the PlayStation Store's - PlayStation 2 format software.
This is NOT for PS2 BC, it is a feature for certain PS2 games that had utilized the PS2 Network/HDD adaptor via the expansion bay on the earlier "fat model". We get these confused/misinformed posts ALL THE TIME in our console section (here's one from not too long ago). And with people posting fake YouTube videos it's no wonder why this rumor continues to grow...
Now I actually think that even through all of that, that Sony will somehow (hopefully) implement BC through a FW update in the future. If it is possible the one drawback would be the amount of games that are playable as even as powerful as the PS3 is most games would still be "too much" for it to emulate. Granted any amount is better than having none but people WILL complain...as they always do.
Lastly, I would refrain from using the term "noobs" when describing members here on aD (especially when your information is grossly incorrect) as it is DEFINITELY against the rules.
Edit: I also forgot to add that I wouldn't doubt that sometime in 2009 IF we don't see PS2 full software BC then we will get PS2 downloadable games via the PSN as I have heard this is what may happen with titles like Marvel vs Capcom 2 from Capcom...on a side note I REALLY NEED THIS GAME on the PSN crosses fingers it gets an HD upgrade like SS2THDR!
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by r3d2tango:
LOL I'm sorry to say this but you guys are noobs when referring to BC.
Sony will release it through firmware because the 80GB Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles are backwards compatible through software which can be implemented through an update......Sony will introduce BC through firmware.
WRONG.The only person here that looks like they don't know what they are talking about is the one with the misinformation. The 80gb PS3 that had backwards compatibility STILL had a bit of hardware to allow BC
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the North American 80 GB model also excludes the PlayStation 2 "Emotion Engine" CPU chip. However, it still keeps the "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU. Due to emulation of the "Emotion Engine"
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In the 40 GB model, backwards compatibility with PlayStation 2 titles was omitted completely due to the removal of the PlayStation 2's "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU which omitted all PS2 based hardware from the system
As for Sony implementing BC via software I have a few opinions about that as well...the first is how this actually might NOT happen as it has been widely known that this whole "firmware update for software emulation" rumor probably started with the misunderstanding of the PlayStation Store's - PlayStation 2 format software.
This is NOT for PS2 BC, it is a feature for certain PS2 games that had utilized the PS2 Network/HDD adaptor via the expansion bay on the earlier "fat model". We get these confused/misinformed posts ALL THE TIME in our console section (here's one from not too long ago). And with people posting fake YouTube videos it's no wonder why this rumor continues to grow...
Now I actually think that even through all of that, that Sony will somehow (hopefully) implement BC through a FW update in the future. If it is possible the one drawback would be the amount of games that are playable as even as powerful as the PS3 is most games would still be "too much" for it to emulate. Granted any amount is better than having none but people WILL complain...as they always do.
Lastly, I would refrain from using the term "noobs" when describing members here on aD (especially when your information is grossly incorrect) as it is DEFINITELY against the rules.
Why not just turn the elite model into something that has BWC and sell it for 100 more I mean most people wont care and they would make a profit off it either way...the whole thing is a messy IMO
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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I don't really care about ps3 it will be another 2 years before I even think about getting one until they make a game that I really want too play.
I want too know if anyone knows the model I need that has bwc for ps2 so when i get one I get the right one because I will get it from ebay.
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Wow you are missing out & going to miss out on quite a lot of EXCELLENT titles. MGS4, LBP, Wipeout HD, Killzone 2, GT5P, Motorstorm series, Uncharted Series, Resistance Series, Ratchet and Clank series, Warhawk, WKC, FFvs13 and MANY MANY MANY more exclusives not to mention all the 3rd party ones like COD series, GTA4, Fallout 3, Burnout and such...
I would link a MGS4 Game of the Year video from Gamespot that would show what you are truly missing out on with just that 1 game alone, but it has WAAAY to many spoilers in it (though it really explains/sums up how great it actually is). But to answer your question in the easiest, most basic way, you have to get ANY PS3 model that has 4 USB ports ~ Wiki
The 20gb & 60gb US models have FULL BC with the EE whilst the 80gb & 60gb US & early EU models have the EE removed but retain a really high BC rate (something like 85-90%)
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