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data365
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6. January 2009 @ 14:40 |
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Hi guys, i recently purchased some parts for my first build. They are
Xion Solaris Black/Green ATX Mid-Tower Case with 450 watt power supply
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB Hard Drive
Patriot 2048MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory
ECS A780GM-A Motherboard
Dvd drive
When everything is connected it, with a monitor and keyboard,mouse it does not boot. The fans connected directly to the board work and the cpu fan works. I tried changing the slot the ram was connected to but that doesn't work, i also cleared the CMOS, but nothing happened. I also tried a 512 mb 533 mhz ram chip but still no booting.I even rechecked all the connections,jumpers and the CPU
but nothing happened. I also swapped hard drives and even tried a video card but stil nothing. All the front panel connections are right, and i've tried the power and reset button on the board itself but nothing happens.Note that there is no onboard speaker and my case doesn't have a speaker so i cannot do the beep test.
I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.Thanks.
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Zeyf414
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6. January 2009 @ 15:26 |
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I ran into this problem when I built my last system. I found that I had to disconnect everything except the CPU and RAM and attach it one at a time, For some reason it worked but it took me 3 days to figure out. Here are some other suggestions:
1. I am suspicious of any power supply that comes with a case. Just because something says 450 watts doesn't mean it delivers and with your hardware I am thinking you need a little more power. Do you have some who has a multimeter that you can borrow to test your power supply? You can purchase a really decent Craftsman for $20. Make sure it is digital. There is a lot on the 'net on how to use it. It is not hard.
2. Do the leds on your motherboard light up? Were you grounded when you built the rig?
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7. January 2009 @ 18:36 |
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The power supply in that PC is garbage, so get rid of that, Xion 'free with case' PSUs typically deliver less than a third of what they say they do before going bang, so you're already on a tight limit with 150 Watts. ECS boards are also pretty poor, that is just as likely to be the problem.
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data365
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13. January 2009 @ 21:21 |
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Hey guys.i got it to work by changing the ram even though my board supports the original ram i had. Anyway things got worse, after getting it to boot and installing the updates and OS everything seemed ok until 2 days later. I was adjusting the the I/O panel and board trying to get it to seat better in the case and after that i pressed the power button and it didn't boot. I checked all the connections and screws,everything is fine. I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks alot.
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Zeyf414
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13. January 2009 @ 21:32 |
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Well both sammorris and I have stated our serious misgivings about your power supply. The PSU is the backbone of a system and regardless of the quality of the other parts -- and what you listed are very good -- if the PSU is faulty you will have the issues you mentioned. It may not have been your RAM at all.
Question: How much can you spend on a new Power Supply?
* It may be your motherboard because ECS doesn't have the greatest reputation but I do know of many people who use their boards without one problem.
* Do you know someone with a Multimeter to test your PSU?
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14. January 2009 @ 05:25 |
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ECS boards have always been rife with problems.
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18. January 2009 @ 22:34 |
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*shudder* ECS makes decent graphics cards but their motherboards are dire. The quality is terrible.
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19. January 2009 @ 08:09 |
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ECS only "make" decent graphics cards because all they do is slap the sticker on. I believe it's Foxconn work underneath.
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19. January 2009 @ 14:06 |
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Foxconn isn't exactly reputable either. They have a few nice high end boards but that's about it.
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19. January 2009 @ 14:20 |
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Agreed, but I don't place them in anywhere near the same light as ECS.
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data365
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21. January 2009 @ 12:10 |
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Hey guys i tested the power supply and it delivers what it says. Therefore i'm going to change the motherboard. Has anyone used this board: biostar TA790GX A2+ 5.x and if so can i have your opinions on it or can you recommend some other good motherboards for $150.00 or less.
Thanks
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Zeyf414
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21. January 2009 @ 12:58 |
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Biostar makes some very nice boards. They make some very good budget boards as well. However, I can't speak to this particular board you listed. Perhaps these customer reviews might help you; see link.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...%20TA790GX%20A2
By the way, out of curiosity, what did you test your power supply with?
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21. January 2009 @ 12:59 |
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How did you test it exactly? Very few people have loadbanks capable of drawing that much lying around.
Either way, changing the board would be a good idea to rid you of an ECS, but I'd still change the power supply out of a matter of safety.
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21. January 2009 @ 13:42 |
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Yeah I only know one guy in my town who can properly test a PSU. Both my OCZ StealthXStream and Corsair 620HX tested well over 700W before shut down. And the StealthXStream isn't even a high end unit.
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Either way, changing the board would be a good idea to rid you of an ECS, but I'd still change the power supply out of a matter of safety.
I'd personally recommend a Corsair PSU. Xion is actually well known for their crap PSUs. Especially a Xion 450W with any modern system is trouble from the start. I'd never in a million years trust a ~$150 motherboard and all my other equipment on a Xion PSU. I'd rather not use the PC at all until I could afford a better one. Bad PSUs DESTROY systems.
This motherboard should do well:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136058
And I STRONGLY recommend you get a better PSU. Maybe something like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001
We wouldn't tell you to get a new PSU if we didn't think it was crucial.
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21. January 2009 @ 13:48 |
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21. January 2009 @ 15:09 |
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Estuansis: OCZ units rarely break 50W above their max, and Corsair don't usually achieve much beyond 60-70, I assume you mean 700W a.c. input?
Over 700W draw at the wall. All rails to maximum safe spec and both ran strong.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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21. January 2009 @ 21:14 |
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700W at the wall is not even 600W DC output, let alone above it. However, the lower wattage OCZ units usually fare alright, it's just the higher ones that are bad, as they're pretty much all the same with different pricetags, that and the StealthXStreams are quieter.
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21. January 2009 @ 22:51 |
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The machine read over 700 at the wall and at least 700 DC output for both. Damn, I should have written this all down XD
But yeah they both broke 700W DC output before shut down.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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22. January 2009 @ 07:41 |
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Hmm, that's somewhat unexpected. What temperature conditions? 700W is about as high as a lot of OCZ units go (including the ones with more than 700W written on them)
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22. January 2009 @ 18:03 |
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Well the StealthXstream is basically a 700W GameXstream. The guts are nearly identical. The room was about 75*F or 23.8*C. Temps on both PSUs were in the high 50s and the fans were cranked up.
I've seen reviewers taking it to 750W before shut down. Both the 620HX and StealthXstream 600W are under-specced. They are both capable of more than the labels say.
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22. January 2009 @ 18:12 |
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Unlike the higher wattage GameXStreams, which are capable of less than they say. I think the 1KW GameXStream shut down at about 820W in testing.
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22. January 2009 @ 18:18 |
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The 600W GameXstream is definitely worth it for modular cables IMO. And it certainly delivers 600W at least. I agree on the higher wattage units though. They don't hold up to spec on the same internals. The StealthSxstream is cleaner internally and much quieter as well. Certainly a quality PSU and one of the better non modulars I've had.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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22. January 2009 @ 18:19 |
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Mmm, I still don't trust units with that much ripple myself, it concerns me. That and the fact the GameXStreams are too noisy for my liking, and overheat.
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26. January 2009 @ 06:27 |
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i would say it would be your power supply not giving enough power. i had the same problem. also make sure if your graphic card requires extra power to plug that in too.
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26. January 2009 @ 08:11 |
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We haven't heard back from the original poster yet. However, it isn't the PSU 'not having enough watts' as this system will use less than 150W under full load, but Xion PSUs are poor, and this one could well be faulty.
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