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sirbeamer
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7. January 2009 @ 00:42 |
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How can I gain more control of my burn speed through Shrink?
I have found that when burning at higher speeds, the movies often act up when half into the movie. It seems that if I burn at a slower speed, they are much more stabile. Sometimes I have the ability to select 1X, 1.2X or 2X burn speed, but when the process starts, it always is at 4X burn speed.
I am using Nero enabled with Express 6 version of Nero.
Any and all help is very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike
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7. January 2009 @ 01:13 |
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I'm useing Nero 7 Essentials and burn speed seems to be a matter of what the disc can do.
Most the people I know (including myself) burn at 4x, so its the default. But you can tell nero to set the lower speed if your media will take 1x or 2x.
What is acting up in middle of the disc? For me it has most offten been sound. Make sure your source frame rate is 29.97 as Nero burnd DVDs at 30fps. Thats what has worked that 1 out for me.
Hope this may have helped in some small way.
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sirbeamer
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7. January 2009 @ 07:11 |
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What happens is a little difficult to explain, but the picture starts to look like a digital garbage can with square blocks of different colors all around the screen and the audio is very jumpy.
What do I do to check my frame rate? Is there a setting to check and change? I do not recall ever seeing anything about that. And is it manually input capable for the 29.97 value, or is there a default pull down menu?
Thanks for the input.
Mike
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7. January 2009 @ 07:58 |
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With today's media and ODD, burning at such slow speeds often has the results as burning at too high of a speed, poor results. Burning at 1/2 the rated speed of the disk is the normal recommendation for starting out, until you know how your media and drive will work together. I burn almost all of my disks at 8x, but 4x is a good speed to start with. Having high quality media such as Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, or Sony is one of the most critical elements in the process. Also, where are you receiving your source video from? Is it downloads or your own rips? Errors can be from the source and emerge ini your burn as well.
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sirbeamer
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7. January 2009 @ 08:59 |
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Thanks for your reply...
I currently am using Sony media, but have used Phillips, RiData and TDK in the past.
All of my data comes from rips of my library that I like to keep origonal material away from use by my children. I use RipItForMe 95% of the time with an origonal version of DVDD along with VTS (I believe that is what it is). When that does not work, I use DVDFabHD to extract the data. I then use DVD Shrink to extract just the movie content onto my hard drive to be stored seperately as a movie only content, then make a DVD with shrink. I then also copy the movie only content to an external hard drive for use with my Netgear Media Entertainer for family room viewing. But that does not work well in the van with the protable DVD player on trips etc, LOL...
Do you think I should try to burn at 8X speed to see how it performs? I know that I had heard that the problem that I am having is supposed to be resolved by slower burn speeds. I suggested it to my mother and she seemed to do better when her system will allow a 1.2X or 2X burn. But sometimes, she does not have that option available when selecting to backup a movie to the DVD burner.
Again,
Thanks,
Mike
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7. January 2009 @ 17:29 |
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What's the make and model# of your dvd-rw drive?
What's the current firmware version on that dvd-rw drive?
Speed rate is usually determined by a drive's firmware. Example,Me using dvd shrink and autoburning with nero:
My plextor px-716A will allow a 6x burn speed. Any of my benq's,no option to burn 6x.
Firmware is the programing of drives.It'll read the MID code of your media,and refers to it's firmware to tell the burner how to properly burn that specific media and the increments of burning.With benq firmware,it'll allow me to overburn the 8x speed of blank media at 12x and even 16x.
Playback issues:
Speed rate is main issue with most peeps.Everyone wants to burn fast. If you want speed,make sure you got a quality burner and quality media like Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden.They were designed to perform better at burning fast. Not so with the decent to crappy manufacturers.I've had issues when burning +16x verbatim at 2.4x.The scans I run,12x yields the highest scores.Use nero's disc quality scanning program to see how your backups score.
TDK/Philips: Usually on the lower quality with their main manufacturer of Cmagnetics corp or Cmag for short. Download this free program:
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_..._identifier.cfm
Run some of those TDK and Philips backups and see what the MID code is on your media. I'll bet they are Cmags. Dvdidentifier will also answer my 1st 2 questions.
Sony Media: Pretty decent,but usually hit or miss on some dvd-rw drives.I rate it as decent media,and up there with Ridata,if the ridata code as Ritek. Ricoh's also a pretty decent manufacturer.
Now after getting the aswers to those 1st 2 questions,there's some other factors that come in when it comes to dvd backup playback:
1) The quality of the dvd-rw drive. Not all dvd-rw drives are alike.Some will be quality writers,and poor readers, some will be opposite and stand alone players can pick them out. That's why quality media is 1st thing to check on along with the burn speed.
1st thing to do is play those backups on the pc,using the drive that burned it. Take note of the time frame when the player acts up-like in the center. View that area on the pc and see how it plays through that area. That'll help verify if it's the dvd-rw or a certain stand alone player that is at fault. View backups on other standalones and see how they play during that area of a movie.You gotta narrow down if what drive's are at fault.90% chance that the pc plays it perfect.
2) Stand alone players. They're the #1 culprits when it comes to playing dvd backups. The dvd-rw drive should be able to play it's own backups and they should play near flawless. After that,stand alone players,UGGH! They can pick out which burn speed,which burn engine,which mid coded media,and the type of format of the disc. They can pick out over dozens of different things. You just have to find the right formula for the picky players.
3) Compression: Keep to a minimum. High compression,usually the picture will have a blockiness look to it.
4) Keep the backup target size at 4300-4370 mbs. The max a blank dvd will hold is and actual 4.38 gbs. Not 4.7 gigs that the labels shows. Crap media,keep at 4300 mbs. Quality media,increase it to 4370 mbs. This keeps the burn from reaching the outer edge.This will prevent issues with playback from the ending of the movies.
5) Keep hd/s defragged.Dvd backups can put a heavy burden on the ole harddrive/s.
6) Clean registry,no spyware,malware,virus's etc.
7) No multitasking,especially on older single processor machines.
8) No sticker labels. Playback issues are sure to rise with the use of sticker labels.I've seen it dozens of times and the most common culprit was a label.
9) Burn engine: Yes,I've seen stand alone players have issues with a certain burn engine. Try another like ImgBurn,which is free.
10)Dirty laser lens-usually in the stand alone player that is at fault. Eject the tray and spray some compressed air.Do a lens cleaning. Take it apart,and rub the lens with an alcohol swab. No dice after that,run a hard cleaning disc in it as a last resort. Those hard discs can ruin drives.
11) Firmware version. Look for the latest fw version for your drive and update it. Again,this may be a last resort because a bad flash can ruin a drive.
If you go by that recipe and still have playback issues with quality media,then probably time for a quality burner or a $20 el cheapo stand alone player.
Another test you can try,is try is re-rip one of those backups that have that issue.Make sure you have enough empty hd space.. See if you can successfully rip it back onto the harddrive.. If you can,backup should be ok. If something wrong with it,CRC error/s.
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sirbeamer
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8. January 2009 @ 00:14 |
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Whew, where do I start...
I downloaded and "identified" with the top line being...
"HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GWA4164B - [FW E111] - [ATAPI]"
I do not know if that is the model and firmware. The MID was "Sony16D1"
I really thought that Sony made a quality disk and that the TDKs were pretty good also, but I am learning different. The problem now is I just purchased 2 more 100 packs of the Sony printable disks. I have used the stick on labels in the past. Could this possibly cause the problems? I guess it can be. I thought that it was important that I did not burn with them on. I am printing on these Sony brands now. I will definately test it out.
When you refer to stand alone players, you are referring to the standard TV top units that we mostly use in our living rooms, correct? Are there better units to use? My mother has said for years that the cheapie $20 units play these the best. I thought she was off her rocker, LOL... But now I wonder as you mention the little $20 drives.
As for my PC that I use... I was running a 3.2 Ghz hyperthreaded system with 2Mb of ram and using XP Pro. I am now using a dual 3.2 Ghz hyperthreaded W/ 4Gb ram and XP Pro. I feel that it should be pretty safe to multitask with it. I would multitask with my old system at times, but not always.
As for compression, I do everything I can to never go below 85%. If much less than that, I will make 2 disks, as I can see the graininess of the movie and it drives me bonkers. Most of my movies sits at 100% after stripping all the junk off of it.
The ImgBurn software that you refer to, is it basically a replacement for Nero? I am not sure what it is and when it can/should be used. Can Shrink use it, or do I have to burn manually? I do already rip the movie out of the disk rip and save the movie by itself in a seperate directory. Would I just have to use it alone with that data?
I appreciate all of your help,
Mike
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8. January 2009 @ 05:32 |
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Imgburn is an alternative burn program. It's just another thing to troubleshoot when it comes to stand alone players.. These socalled stand alone players include: Ones on the tv,portable's in the car/s,game consoles like xbox/playstation. These backup copies are usually played in a lot of drives for yourself,friends,and family. Lots of other drives playing them,and you'll get different reactions out of them.
You'll change dvd shrink to make an ISO and Imgburn will burn that ISO once you locate it.Once the ISO is made,open up imgburn,mode write/click on little folder icon to fish out the ISO,and burn it at 4x.
Imgburn doesn't pull off encryption or compress.It's a very good program if you re-rip some of your older backups for an extra copy.It's also one of the best burn programs for DL backups.I highly favor nero,but most people don't.
Run a couple disc quality scans using nero toolkit/ cd-dvd speed/tools/and click on the disc quality test. Takes 10 mins or so at 4x speed. Try to score in the 90's and above.
Sticker labels major no-no.Especially with issues in the center of the movie.
I haven't seen sony printable. Are they inkjet printable or thermal printable?
The $20 players usually play anything you slap in them.Last one I bought was $15 and working great. Keep all discs clean before inserting them.I had my latest one for 3+ yrs now. Usually it's those fancier players that have issues,like the $4000+ denon's.
Your stand alone player/s are at least playing your backups. That's half the battle. It's very hard to want good playback in a lot of drives. That's where the quality media and quality burners come in.
You've got an LG drive. It may be booktype capable. Some of these booktype capable drives-like my Benqs,prefer the plus format. Dash format gives me more issues. I use plus for movies and games. Superior compatability so less chance of a player showing a No Disc serror. Keep that in mind in case you see any of those No Disc/Dirty disc/Wrong region/Illegal disc/or wrong format errors on a stand alone player/game console/or pc drive.
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