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Is Limewire/Gnutella dying?
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kresknull
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21. January 2009 @ 21:56 |
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Limewire (Gnutella network) seems kind of dead compared to when I joined it - not very long ago. Is it just my imagination or is Limewire/Gnutella fizzling out?
If it is, then where are people going? Where would be something easy for a novice to understand (like Limewire) where a lot of people are trading files? There must be a thread somewhere here where this issue is discussed. Could someone please direct me there.
THANX
~kresknull
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21. January 2009 @ 22:18 |
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Try FrostWire, same developer's as LimeWire, been around a while but newer than LimeWire.
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kresknull
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21. January 2009 @ 23:15 |
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Thank you mistycat for the info, but Frostwire also uses the Gnutella network. I guess I should have asked if the Gnutella network is fizzling out. It sure seems to be.
I'll ask again: Are people moving away from the Gnutella network? And if they are, what would be something fairly easy to use that connects to a network that a lot of people are using?
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Mez
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22. January 2009 @ 08:43 |
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Easy to use is relitive. Any idiot can and does use simple P2P. There is nothing else that easy to use. Part of the draw to more complex networks is most morons and pre-teens can't learn a more complicated process.
I would think so. They started leaving years ago when you couldn't share much and be safe. They moved to a network where it was safer to share not just take. Limewire has been picked clean for many years.
Check out this forum, no one asks about simple P2P. You might be the first person this month to ask about Limewire on this board. Take a few hrs and check out the giant torrent sites: Mininova, Pirate Bay and Demoniod. The last two sites scream of craftmenship. They must have billions of man hrs worth of work in those sites. They are the world wonder of this age. They dwarf the pyrimids! There are also newgroups which are on the rise. That is where your buddies went to. Torrents are also under attack but at least users do not have to deal with lawyers. Instead the conflicts are limited to cyber space.
I will warn you down loading and not giving back WILL be punished. Giving back is not optional in the torrent world. You are not in Kansas any longer. Even your own client records your uploads and downloads and will turn you in. The 'traffic cops' check your ratio before they allow you to finish your job. If you have a bad ratio you will be forced to share since your job will not complete.
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kresknull
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22. January 2009 @ 19:15 |
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Thanks for the info. I often go to The Pirate Bay and similar "non-private" places. I found some instructions on how to upload/post a torrent, but it looks like you're supposed to seed it for 24 hours after posting it - and I don't want to have my computer on for that long of a stretch. eMule doesn't seem to work well with Vista/SP1 - at least not for me.
I'm primarily interested in sharing my stuff with other people. (Acquiring stuff is easy.) But with Gnutella dying and eMule not working for me, I was wondering if there's something many people use (like eMule) that won't give me mass errors with Vista/SP1.
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Mez
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23. January 2009 @ 07:10 |
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Actually, you normally need to give back longer than that. You are supposed to upload as much as you have down loaded. It can take weeks to down load something and to give back you need to do the same.
You still do not get it.
The reason torrents is popular is it is way more secure. 5 minutes sharing with Limewire is way more risky than a month 24/7 sharing with a torrent. Simple P2Ps must advertise from your computer, torrents use a server to advertise. That is the big difference. Using simple P2P is like putting a target on your head an daring the cyber police to nail you. Any moron can monitor who is sharing files on a simple P2P network. You just alter Limewire to put the hits into a database instead of display them on the screen. That is why over 40,000 persons in the US using simple P2P have had legal action taken agent them. No torrent user has been caught. With torrents the cybe police have to hack into your computer to gather evidence. That evedence is not missable in court. With simple P2P the evidence is provided by the P2P client. It is the same as consenting for the police to search your house without a warrant. If you consent, no warrant is needed to gather admissable evidence. The only protection you have with simple P2P is they can only prosecute so many persons in a year. As the number of users reduces the odds of you getting caught go up. The thing is, why would the media mafia go after torrent users when there is an unlimited supply of low hanging fruit?
Suit yourself; you still probably have way less than a 1000 to 1 chance of getting caught. Most prefer the 0% chance. That is why simple P2P ?seems kind of dead?.
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kresknull
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23. January 2009 @ 17:40 |
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Thanks for the info. I didn't realize that there was such an extreme difference between eMULE (Etc.) and torrents re safety. I will take heed.
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Mez
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24. January 2009 @ 16:25 |
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Until the laws change, in most countries P2P is against the law but not a crime. Breaking and entering is a crime. If you encrypt your flows in and out of your computer, someone has to hack into your computer to prove what you are doing. That is breaking and entering. That evedence can't be used in court. Torrents is like smoking dope in your house with the blinds down. Simple P2P is like smoking dope on your porch. You are in plain view.
That does not mean that you will not get a letter from you ISP warning you to cease and desist. There are illegal actions that unfriendly enities will do. They resort to clogging your ports, rebooting your computer and other 'tricks'. The rebooting your computer in the middle of the night is a good one. You lose a night's work. These are nothing compaired with a law suit.
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30. January 2009 @ 14:45 |
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Mez
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30. January 2009 @ 17:43 |
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What else is new? I you read my previous statement I said until the laws change not if they will change.
I think P2P will be expressly illegal in most countries by 2010. The media mafia is now using all their clout to change laws in all countries. Then P2Pers are someone elses problem.
I don't think it will get them much more business. They have waged war on their customers. I do not think beating them with a stick will entice them to buy more music. I am free with spending money on Indie CDs. I buy used CDs but I rarely buy new, less than one out of 10. I feel I am feeding a monster if I do that. Unfortunatly for the music industry, I am not the only one with that kind of thinking. Even if they can permenently shut down file sharing which I do not think they will be able to do, the damage has already happened. A few percent of the population spread out all over the globe have huge cashes of music. It can be shared by physical means at this point. Most person know several persons that will give them music they like.
I would say make hay while the sun shines.
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1. February 2009 @ 06:30 |
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I just don't agree with them taking a third party's word for it. How can they prove that i am downloading stuff without physical evidence from my pc?
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Mez
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1. February 2009 @ 15:09 |
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They aren't trying to be fair or just.
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Mez
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2. February 2009 @ 13:41 |
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Oh, my ISP is now giving one warning for P2P. If you have downloaded 200 gs in a month and have used P2P once in that month you can get that warning. They do not care if the P2P was legal on not or if it was you on not.
They vascilate between being one of the most agressive ISPs in the world to less agressive. The were the first ISP to employ the attack robot Sandvines about a year ago. A few weeks ago they were saying how much extra you could down load because of their powerboost technology which doubled their bandwidth. Yesterday they started to 'crack heads'.
For all my talk I try to keep low profile, less than half the limit. Now I know why they has been a flurry of intruders trying to probe my computer last month. This is the start of the new police state. Maybe my good behavior will stave off getting 'the letter' for a few months.
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8. February 2009 @ 18:05 |
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I've recently got rid of limewire. It's easy to download music, but it's also easy to download virus with it if your not careful. To download music, just download any kind of torrent software (ie. uTorrent), go to some popular or trusted torrent sites, and search for music there. You may have to search for an album of an artist then just download which files of that album that you want to get a song. It may be a bit more difficult that music downloading programs, but it is safer (virus' wise). Plus torrent sites can sometimes be a bit safer, cause users will sometimes posts comments about the torrent on quality, possible virus and/or anything related.
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Mez
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9. February 2009 @ 08:23 |
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Mostly, is is safer for virus because there are way less morons using it. I have only seen false positives on the torrent network. Because you have a name assouciated with the torrent, no one is going to purposefully put a virus in the package.
You can also get much worse than a virus on Lime Wire. I know of persons that put slaveware apps on Lime Wire. They make them obvious traps so only them most stupid persons will DL tomething that even looks dangerous. The hackers want only total morons because they use the slave computers to do illegal things that they will eventually get caught for.
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