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Delay of DTV transition expected to pass in the House
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 31 January, 2009
After seeing the bill pass unanimously in the Senate but then fail to pass in the House of Representatives, the Obama administration has said that the anticipated delay of the digital TV transition has passed the Senate again and is expected to pass in the House as well.
"We anticipate that the House will pass a delay on DTV until June 12," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs added.
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cdman2005
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31. January 2009 @ 21:23 |
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its there own fault for not being prepared, they've had probably at least 2 years to prepare themselves.
DO NOT DELAY THE TRANSITION!!!
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31. January 2009 @ 21:36 |
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Noooooooooo! This was suppose to happen in early 2006 screwed neone not prepared its their fault
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31. January 2009 @ 23:40 |
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What about the people like me who are screwed either way? I'm 'prepared' for the transition but am unable to receive any channels while running on my DTV box...
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slickwill
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1. February 2009 @ 03:28 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
What about the people like me who are screwed either way? I'm 'prepared' for the transition but am unable to receive any channels while running on my DTV box...
I guess either get cable/satellite, or watching TV though the internet with a program such as "LiveStation" or go without TV......
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1. February 2009 @ 08:41 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
What about the people like me who are screwed either way? I'm 'prepared' for the transition but am unable to receive any channels while running on my DTV box...
teevee is horrible anyway. I suggest going for a walk in the forest, instead...
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Chieffy
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1. February 2009 @ 09:46 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
What about the people like me who are screwed either way? I'm 'prepared' for the transition but am unable to receive any channels while running on my DTV box...
If you are only that well prepared then you are just as dumb as the rest. And really this has been coming for well more than two years....if people aren't ready now, they never will be. But what does it hurt if you are not ready? Most people who are complaining the most are most likely also the ones who need to go without it the most!! Go outside get some exercise.....TV isn't that great anyhow!
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Charis301
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1. February 2009 @ 10:32 |
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I agree with those who say people who aren't prepared by now never will be. This has been the most publicized event in the history of TV. I am sick of seeing so many announcements about it during the last two years. But that's typical of our Congress -- stretch everything out. Wouldn't be surprised if they postpone it again in June.
Also agree with those who say TV sucks, especially network TV. It has become nothing but commercials interrupted from time to time by a little bit of programming.
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1. February 2009 @ 10:32 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by engage16:
What about the people like me who are screwed either way? I'm 'prepared' for the transition but am unable to receive any channels while running on my DTV box...
If you are only that well prepared then you are just as dumb as the rest. And really this has been coming for well more than two years....if people aren't ready now, they never will be. But what does it hurt if you are not ready? Most people who are complaining the most are most likely also the ones who need to go without it the most!! Go outside get some exercise.....TV isn't that great anyhow!
I believe he is saying he is out of reasonable range to receive digital signals in his area...that doesn't make him "unprepared", this is just one of the many problems with the transition.
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patriots
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1. February 2009 @ 11:18 |
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If I remember correctly this switch to digital TV was passed during the Clinton administration and that was close to 10 years ago so if you are not prepared by now then you never will be. Make the change and stop worrying about people that never do anything on time even in a very generous time frame.
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1. February 2009 @ 11:41 |
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Thank you DVDBack, at least you understood what I meant, unlike most of the 'posters' in the thread who thought I'm not prepared for the DTV transition. I've been prepared for around a year now and due to the cliff effect I've been screwed over just like most of rural america...
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bomber991
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1. February 2009 @ 15:32 |
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I'm one of the one's that is not ready. I ordered my coupon on December 30th, and I'm still waiting for it.
I don't really care though, the last time I turned on my tv was about 3 weeks ago to watch the news cause I didn't feel like turning on my PC and waiting 5 minutes, and it also happened to be noon, so I got to watch the 12'oclock news instantly, it was neat.
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nyurbiz
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1. February 2009 @ 15:36 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
Thank you DVDBack, at least you understood what I meant, unlike most of the 'posters' in the thread who thought I'm not prepared for the DTV transition. I've been prepared for around a year now and due to the cliff effect I've been screwed over just like most of rural america...
Umm, too bad. Move. Get a job and pay for cable or satellite service. If you CHOOSE to live in an area with no service (free or otherwise) then how can you blame anyone for your lack of foresight.
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1. February 2009 @ 15:53 |
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This is REDICULOUS!!! It didn't pass in the House the first time because people don't want to wait any longer! Please, everyone call and write your congressmen and [b]DEMAND that they switch it [b]ON TIME!
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SuperXL
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1. February 2009 @ 17:15 |
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well, i for one, do not care about the transition since i have internet services and rarely watch tv. but i have family in various rural areas who do not have cable tv services and rely solely on the OTA signals for the few channels they get. DTV transition hurts people like them who can't afford a new tv that has digital tuner built in or can't necessarily afford the converter box, with or without a gov't coupon.
oh, wait the DTV transition does hurt me slightly too. forgot that my tv tuner card that i'm gonna put in a htpc isn't a digital tuner. oh well.
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1. February 2009 @ 19:19 |
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What I don't understand is what business does the government have mandating a technology change in the first place? Why should it be up to our clueless congress if/when a new technology must necessarily supersede an older one?
Who really stands to profit from this?
Verizon? (by winning the UHF bid)
The FCC? (by collecting the revenue from the UHF auction)
Who else?
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Who stands to lose from this?
The people?
What is going to happen when the UHF band, which has, heretofore, been largely dead air, is suddenly jammed full of digital signals?
How will this effect, say, cancer rate?
Anyone have thoughts on this?
~Maitland
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leglessoz
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1. February 2009 @ 20:35 |
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Did I read somewhere that 6 million people aren't ready for DTV in the USofA? That is what, some 3% of your population. That's just crazy to hold it up for such a tiny number. If people aren't ready here in OZ when the final switch comes it will just be too bad - no TV for them. There is no excuse hardware-wise. Set top boxes are cheap (AU$40 for SD, AU$90 for HD), digital tuner cards for PCs are cheap (AU$80), and even sets with builtin HD tuners are cheap now (just paid AU$299 for a small set). That your government is wasting money on a subsidy program for DTV boxes, rather than using the money for important things is just typical of its priorities. For those people who are unlucky enough to be in a TV reception blackhole it is unfortunate. Repeaters need to be installed. We had/have similar issues here.
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1. February 2009 @ 21:01 |
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Originally posted by leglessoz:
Did I read somewhere that 6 million people aren't ready for DTV in the USofA? That is what, some 3% of your population. That's just crazy to hold it up for such a tiny number. If people aren't ready here in OZ when the final switch comes it will just be too bad - no TV for them. There is no excuse hardware-wise. Set top boxes are cheap (AU$40 for SD, AU$90 for HD), digital tuner cards for PCs are cheap (AU$80), and even sets with builtin HD tuners are cheap now (just paid AU$299 for a small set). That your government is wasting money on a subsidy program for DTV boxes, rather than using the money for important things is just typical of its priorities. For those people who are unlucky enough to be in a TV reception blackhole it is unfortunate. Repeaters need to be installed. We had/have similar issues here.
3 million people whose minds aren't being controlled/numbed/deadened? Surely you don't think that the US government would precipitate such a situation!
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SuperXL
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1. February 2009 @ 22:53 |
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Originally posted by leglessoz:
There is no excuse hardware-wise. Set top boxes are cheap (AU$40 for SD, AU$90 for HD), digital tuner cards for PCs are cheap (AU$80), and even sets with builtin HD tuners are cheap now (just paid AU$299 for a small set).
not everyone is in a position to waste money on these things. when every penny is accounted for on important bills or health care and any "extra money" is used for other necessities, a DTV conversion is a useless waste of everything. having 4 channels is good enough for the person who can't even afford cable tv. the change would not benefit them. let's face it, not everyone necessarily WANTS this dtv conversion no matter what kind of programming benefits it could bring.
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1. February 2009 @ 23:06 |
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you people do realize why they want DTV transition asap right?
there not freeing up airwaves, because there just auctioning them off.
what there doing is controlling the airwaves, using DTV as an excuse. my HDTV hooked up using a coat hanger, during the super bowel said you are not authorized to view this content and was not lifted until after the super bowl. i have cable but when im working in the garage its nice to have.
its all about control
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SuperXL
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2. February 2009 @ 00:01 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
you people do realize why they want DTV transition asap right?
its all about control
that's probably more truth than you'll ever hear anyone say about this whole mess.
big brother will be doing more than just watching you. he will be F@$king you soon.
i say it's a big ol' scam to make you spend back the money you will receive from stimulus packages and tax refunds to revitalize the economy. !!shenanigans!! i say... get some brooms!!
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2. February 2009 @ 00:15 |
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Originally posted by maitland:
What I don't understand is what business does the government have mandating a technology change in the first place? Why should it be up to our clueless congress if/when a new technology must necessarily supersede an older one?
Who really stands to profit from this?
Verizon? (by winning the UHF bid)
The FCC? (by collecting the revenue from the UHF auction)
Who else?
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Who stands to lose from this?
The people?
What is going to happen when the UHF band, which has, heretofore, been largely dead air, is suddenly jammed full of digital signals?
How will this effect, say, cancer rate?
Anyone have thoughts on this?
~Maitland
It isn't being done to "free up" "much needed" space on the airwaves which will "therefore & thereafter" be of benefit to all mankind. The "studios" have found a way to stop you from recording your favorite shows and movies from TV broadcasts.
My father (who came from Germany and lived through the Nazi facism) said many times that we Americans fall asleep in history class, meaning that we don't "REMEMBER". We are therefore condemned to loose hard-fought freedoms won by those who came before us and that we are destined to make the same mistakes over and over again. I am older so let me tell you a story:
Long ago, in a galaxy whose courts and legislature were not yet totally ruled or "bought" by the current wave of facist-capitalist entertainment industry tycoons, the American Courts ruled that the people have a right to use VCR's to record TV for personal use ... You see, for years the entertainment industry had blocked video recording devices from reaching the American consumer. Thereafter, and much to the chagrin of those entertainment industry powers, "recording" VCR's rather than just the greedily planned "play-only"-"marketing trap" VCP's began to arrive from Japan for legal sale in the US.
Now here is where the wool has been pulled over the "people's" eyes. A copy protection data stream can be included in digital broadcasts (not possible with analog broadcasts) This means you won't be able to record TV or transfer your recordings to disk or tape. You will now have to buy the Seasonal DVD release packages from the studio's if you want to have your favorite shows for personal use. Of course, they will say, they would never do this ... and they will say that it is certainly not part of their plan ... until they do it ... TO YOU. And thereby reverse ANOTHER one of our long standing "fair use", rights given to us by the highest court in the land without ever having to appear in or explain themselves to the American Justice System.
Pretty good yah? Since having lots of money to throw around is not their problem, just contribute to enough election campaigns, call in your favors in the form of voting for the "Great Digital Transition" bill, and thereby effectively use the Legislative Branch to bypass the Judicial Branch. A "fair-use" right given to you by the Supreme Court of the United States is crushed. ... it's Tread On Who(?) all over again ...
I just had to write this because of all the sheep writing comments like "I'm ready ... when are they gonna do it?" "what's the big hold up anyway ...? and my favorite: "... if you can't keep up with progress, that's your problem"
Best regards,
Whisperer
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Tarsellis
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2. February 2009 @ 12:36 |
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Look who're pushing this. It isn't about "fairness", it isn't about "being prepared", it isn't about "a better standard of living" or "more economic use of our radio space". It's about propaganda and control. Those who have chosen not to be prepared are the more likely ones to be upset by America's destruction of wealth and globilization. The obama christ and his ilk want to make sure the 4th arm of government can still influence everybody, especially malcontents with nothing to lose. They need the failing media, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc, to be able to reach the disturbed masses with their propaganda, and keep them complacent as they enact their global socialist policies and devalue the US dollar. After all, you don't want those "hill billies in the south with their "states' rights" and illegal assault weapons" to "go crazy and prevent progress" when they realize we've surrendered our sovereignty to the UN and sold out everything the founding father's stood for.
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Chieffy
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2. February 2009 @ 16:29 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
Thank you DVDBack, at least you understood what I meant, unlike most of the 'posters' in the thread who thought I'm not prepared for the DTV transition. I've been prepared for around a year now and due to the cliff effect I've been screwed over just like most of rural america...
No, I understood what you said....and it was crap. Satellite can be gotten pretty much anywhere! I am in rural America and am just fine thanks to satellite.
And to Tarsellis, I highly doubt the founding fathers would be happy at all with any part of our government...especially the Bush administration attacking a country, Iraq, for no good reason. There were no WMD's, Iraq wasn't linked to 9/11,and they posed no real threat to the USA...these tree points have all been proven.
It is sad how people seem to care so much more about this DTV crap than they do about getting our soldiers out of harms way, in a place they never should have been in the first place! Or how our nation is basically nothing but a bunch of lard butts only concerned with fast food and TV. I have said it many times before...put down the bag of chips and get outside, get a hobby, loose some weight and realize the world will keep turning without your boob tube!!!
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2. February 2009 @ 18:57 |
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Wow, some paranoid people here... I guess with the way things have been going lately I suppose I don't blame you, but...
A) An analog signal takes MUCH MORE of the available bandwidth. Bandwidth which is very badly needed for things like emergency radios for cops and firemen and such. THAT is what the new bandwidth is going to be used for... (among others). Your insistance that we stick with outdated analog signals removes some of MY choices. You are hogging MY bandwidth. I live here too and have as much a right to those airwaves as you do.
B) Pretty much any and all TV shows which air today are available at full digital quality (sometimes even HD) with Zero copy protection or DRM or limitations of any kind. You can download them for free... download them from a pay site or even buy the DVD. It's all still available.
C) The people who have not prepared yet, will never prepare. The people who cannot receive a digital signal but can receive an analog signal, well, I don't know what to say other than maybe you should look into a TV repeater for your town. That's what we had in our small rural town. A small tax was paid and the town maintained the repeater.
D) ever hear of dish network?
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ishmael2
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2. February 2009 @ 22:58 |
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I don't understand the reason for all the bitchin and moaning from those who are ready. Why do you even care if the transition is delayed. The stations are already broadcasting in digital. You won't gain a thing or even notice the difference when they drop analog! Does it stroke your ego to know that you can watch TV and somebody else can't?
Many "local" channels that can be seen clearly without any antenna at all, will require an out dooe antenna to get the digital signal. The ABC affiliate in B.ham is one such station.
What I'd like to know is if the cable companies or sat providers will carry the multiple broadcast made by local stations. Our PBS station always has 4 different shows on, but cable and Dish only show one.
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