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DivX For Authoring via TMPGenc NO sound????
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buxton
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7. March 2004 @ 08:00 |
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Using TMPGenc 2.5 I am trying to seperate Sound and Video from a DivX movie. For some reason on this particular one the sound file will not play back in Media Player or Winamp or anything, so if I author I have a soundless film?
The original DivX is MP3@113Kbps and I am trying to make it MP2@160Kbps. This has worked on the last three I have done.
I also have an issue were the length of the film comes up incorrect in TMPG so I have to use source range or it is too big for the blank DVD.This gives me a problem when using AVI2VCD it rips the DivX but the audio ends about half way through, so when grab the audio from that with TMPG half the soundtrack is missing!
I am out of ideas as to how to solve this one, any ideas as to were i go from here?
Cheers.
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buxton
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7. March 2004 @ 11:56 |
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This is doing my nut. I have sound in DivX and yet none after it has seperated the files? Even though using the exact same settings works on most DivX files.
I tried ripping to MP2 and PCM same thing.
I don't know what I am doing.
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8. March 2004 @ 18:50 |
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This gives me a problem when using AVI2VCD it rips the DivX but the audio ends about half way through, so when grab the audio from that with TMPG half the soundtrack is missing!
so ur saying avi2vcd's decompressor is only doing half of your whole soundtrack, well im sorry to say this (idont know how) but urve done something wrong using the decompressor, try it again, if problems pesist well there are millions of other programs that do the exact same thing (virtualdub for 1), it would be worth trying a few other decompressor's just to find out if its a problem with 1 (or more) decompressor/s or a problem with ur divx file, i hate to say this but u could be looking at a problem with ur divx file (hope you prove me wrong though)
cheers
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buxton
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9. March 2004 @ 13:39 |
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No you are right, it is an issue with the DivX file. For some reason the length of the film is being misinterpreted! When I drop it into TPMG it shows as 333mins or something foolish like that, now in TMPG I can sort it by doing the start and finish frame in source range. But I get no sound as it appears that TMPG can't decode the MP3!? This same issue makes the AVI2VCD only rip half the soundtrack.
The only way I have managed to do it is to use Canopus Procoder, as that seems to be able to sort it. All I need do now is put the audio through TMPG to make it smaller and the author.
Only thing is for some reason when I rip it with Canopus there is a very slight pause every second or so, it's diffficult to notice until the camera pans left or right. So I am loath to use it. Dunno if this is a common issue with that software, there isn't much in the way of settings, and it's very slow, it took four hours, TMPG did it in half the time.
I don't know what I am doing.
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buxton
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9. March 2004 @ 14:31 |
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I have messed abou with the setting s in TMPG and the slight pause on playback is still there. I checked the original DivX and it is fine?! I tried VBR 2 Pass and motion search precision to normal (This is all guess work I don't have much of a clue). It's only noticable in scenes were the camera moves left/right there is very slight jerk or pause, it's really annoying. More so because I have done several, that play fine when burned to DVD, in my DVD player?!
Any ideas what it might be that is causing it. As I sais before in Procoder the exact same issue happens.
I don't know what I am doing.
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9. March 2004 @ 18:15 |
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you could try using a little prog called 'divfix' which might fix the length issue, check 4 errors then rebuild idex, you'll know what im talking bout when you d/l the prog(google search i cant remember the site) then run the new file created by divfix thru avi2vcds decompressor to convert the audio to wav and see if you have the same problem
as for your jerkiness issue, the only conclusion i can come to is that you've not set the right system that your divx source uses, is your source pal=25fps, ntsc=29.97fps or ntsc film=23.976fps?, tmpge doesnt(and other encoders i think) do a proper framerate conversion, meaning if your source is pal and you set it to ntsc(and vice versa) the end result will be jerky because the encoder believes ur source is the system youve set it to and will convert not giving a 2nd thought to what your original sources system is, so it goes on producing an mpeg using that systems settings, so it can be played on the desired tv(computer doesnt matter they play all systems no probs)
you might wanna try putting the quality up on tmpge to (high quality) not highest quality as the differance in quality is debatable and also it takes half the time, and also i'd stick with a constant bitrate(cbr) not viriable bitrate(vbr) this may also be the cause of ur grief with the file
hope this helps
cheers m8
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buxton
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10. March 2004 @ 07:57 |
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You are a star my friend.
I didn't realise that 23Fps was NTSC!!!! DOH!!!!
I just figured it was closest to PAL and therefor was PAL. That's what the very slight jerk will be - dammit I should have realised. Going from 23Fps to PAL 25Fps. I had already made that mistake the first time I used it going from 29NTSC to PAL and the picture is all over the place, so I didn't think it was that.
Not heard of NTSC Film either.
OH I am going to be buzzing if that sorts it. It will also explain why TMPG and Procoder both did the same thing.
Just for kicks I did 720*576 VBR 2PASS at the highest setting and went to work. Still hasn't finished "LOL" it's gonna be about 10 hours all in. Not doing this again.
I don't know what I am doing.
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11. March 2004 @ 05:28 |
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=)
yeah all ntsc dvd's and vhs's use the ntsc-film framerate, only camcorders and tv use normal ntsc thats why most cinema rips are standard ntsc(29.97) because the checky bastards film them on a normal camcorder =p (theres probably pal cinema rips out there but i havent seen any)
well im glad we got that sorted
yeah vbr takes a hell of a long time to encode, but the quality should be damn near lossless (it should look nearly as good as the original file) so thats a big plus
give me a bell if you come across any more troubles
cheers m8
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buxton
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11. March 2004 @ 09:54 |
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Cheers - Your a star. Film is done and burned, watching it as I type, no pause : ) I had to use Procoder to rip it, and then TMPG to redo the sound to MP2. Time consuming but it has worked.
May as well ask, why exactly can't TMPG decode some DivX Audio (MP3) and yet others are OK (MP3). Does DivX use different MP3 encoding??? Maybe depending on the version. If it can't decode certain types then what is a good way to find out what is used in the DivX, right click/properties just says MP3 - and thats it.
I don't know what I am doing.
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11. March 2004 @ 16:23 |
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just out of curiosity was the audio in the divx VBR ? GSpot should be able to tell you this.
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12. March 2004 @ 09:43 |
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=D good shit m8 good shit
yeah fixit is on the money, i assumed your source used vbr(variable bitrate mp3) seeing most divx/xvid use it, this is the format of mp3 tmpge has trouble with, i guess because tmpges filters arent as advanced as some of the other encoders out there(thats why i was telling you to convert to wav), but really that doesnt bother me, once you know the few nooks and cranys so to speak about tmpge you relieze how much better quality tmpge is compared to other encoders (some that cost a bit of mulla as well)
yeah fixit is on the money again, theres a program out there called 'g-spot codec information'(google search it) this will tell you everything you need to know about your file from audio compression to framerate, aspect ratio, video compression and the list goes on, its a really handy tool to have, i use it all the time
anywayz m8 glad to hear you got it sorted
have a good 1 buddy
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12. March 2004 @ 14:00 |
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There's an easy fix though, decompressing the audio stream to pcm format with VirtualDub works fine, then the file can be loaded into TMPGEnc without a problem.
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12. March 2004 @ 19:43 |
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your right, but vitualdub is a fiddly P.O.S if you dont know what your doing
thats why i suggested avi2vcds decompressor, even a drunk arab drumiderie, can manage with it, its simple yet one of the best going round, spew it comes with a shite house encoder like avi2vcd but hey beggers cant be choosers
and thats all she wrote folks thank ya mother for the rabbits (good old rex hunt)
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buxton
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13. March 2004 @ 10:01 |
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I will keep asking as you know your shit.
Had another pain in the ass DivX. Ripped the video fine in TMPG....no go on the sound.....AGAIN!
So I saved as a .WAV using Virtual Dub, then loaded that into TMPG to compress to MP2, when I do it crashes TMPG. Pain. Checked the properties and it is .WAV extension with a format ACM codec not installed "Unknown 8192"?? Searched on ACM and it came up with Ogg Vorbis, so I got that codec, but it still crashes TMPG, so I assume TMPG doesn't automatically use whatever codec is installed. So now how do I convert this file so TMPG can convert it and keep it in sync?
I don't know what I am doing.
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buxton
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13. March 2004 @ 12:15 |
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I managed to convert it to .wav using Virtual Dub amd BeSweet, as I feared all this converting has given it a delay on the sound!!!!
TMPG seems to have major issues with sound, 9 out of 10 I am doing it can't decode the sound, are there any plugins to sort all this???
I don't know what I am doing.
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13. March 2004 @ 14:01 |
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The missing codec could also be AC3 do you have an ac3 filter installed, if the audio is AC3 then virtualdubmod can decompress it better than virtualdub if the filter is installed, as for tmpgenc, i dont know of any plugins that handle audio for it. quick guide on how to do this here hang on cocked up the guide missed a bit out will repost link shortly
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13. March 2004 @ 14:08 |
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I have AC3 filter installed. Also got VirtualDubMod installed, couldn't see any way to extract sound. Seems the simplest way round sound issues is to use Procoder, it's slower but can seem to handle all audio types. Just leave it on overnight.
TMPG is way better, it's faster and there is more options available, but the lack of sound decoding lets it down a bit.
It's great though when it worlks, just ripped, authored and burned one to DVD in 2 hours, shame I can't do them all like that.
I don't know what I am doing.
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13. March 2004 @ 20:11 |
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No No NO!! i dont agree with you on this 1 fixit
you dont have to decompress AC3 audio to get it to work in tmpge
there is a plug in (of sorts), this program is called ac-3 acm decompressor which will allow you to encode avi's with AC3 audio straight from tmpge (no conversion to wav 4 audio is needed), this little beauty is well worth the download seeing its the only program(and i do mean the only) that will allow tmpge to encode AC3.
heres the link:
http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/AC3ACM/
just download install and now tmpge can encode AC3 without converting it to wav first
cheers m8
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buxton
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15. March 2004 @ 09:27 |
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That's a great plug in - Cheers.
I sorted the crashing issue, it is bizzare, as long as I did the sound on it's own it was fine, as was the video, when I did them at the same time it crashed! I guess it was another poor or corrupted DivX? Who knows.
I have started to do the sound seperate and first as a matter of practice, I don't know if it just me, but it takes like 5-6 mins to do the sound, then when I do the video it takes 45-55 mins. It usually takes longer than both those times added together if I do Vid and Sound at the same time. Plus I can check the sound first to make sure it has worked.
I don't know what I am doing.
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15. March 2004 @ 10:25 |
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Buxton I'm having the same problem with no sound when I burn to DVD-R. I used TMPG to convert from AVI to Mpeg, the sound and the video at the same time. I have the same problem with the program, it thinks the movie is like 394 minutes long but really its only 79 minutes?? And the sound doesn't work at all, though the video looks really nice. Did encoding the sound and video seperately fix the time problem too and how do I encode the sound and video serperately?
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15. March 2004 @ 21:37 |
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good crap m8
as for the crashing issue, you havent got any god awful codec packs like 'nimo' have you??? cause it sounds to me you have a codec conflict
nac_what
if you took the time to read thru the whole post you will find the answer(convert audio to wav-or if AC3 audio install the plug in with is linked on 1 of my posts)
and also as for tmpge reading ur file incorrectly, go to source range and set ur start frame and end frame(meaning you tell tmpge exactly what to encode-the 79minutes not the 300odd minutes thats showing up)
but in saying that its probably the audio which is confusing tmpge so convert to wav first then c how you go, if the over calculation problem pesists theres always source range
cheers
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15. March 2004 @ 21:50 |
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Mick
Thanks for the help, and pardon me for maybe sounding like an idiot here but how do I convert the audio to WAV from my original AVI file?
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15. March 2004 @ 22:20 |
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nah relax m8, i dont think your question is idiotic at all
the best program ive found that no1 has troubles with comes with a programs called avi2vcd(dont use it to create vcds cause its very shit 4 that) but it comes with 1 of the best audio decompressors out
so download the program, and its bundled with decompressor.exe, thats what you want, just load the new file it creates into tmpge and thats it m8
heres the link:
http://encoderx.co.uk/info/avi2vcd.html
cheers buddy
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16. March 2004 @ 09:17 |
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Nah, I never use Nemo anymore it causes more issues than it sorts, I think it was just a dodgy DivX file, sorted it anyway.
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OK - I have kinda got this sorted now, so here is what I do..this may not be the best way, but it is easy, fast and so far has worked everytime....
To rip sound use VirtualDub, it's very easy, and fast, should rip the audio on an average film in about 60secs.
All you do is "File" "Open Video File" (Sometimes a box comes up with a warning, just OK that) then do "File" "Save WAV" and give it a name, make it so you don't get it mixed up with other files eg Film_wav.
All you gotta do then is when you load the DivX or Xvid into TMPG replace the audio it auto generates with the one you just made, and bingo, that has worked everytime for me.
When you do the ES Video and Audio just do Audio on it's own, let it decode 60 secs or so stop it and load it into Winamp or media player to make sure it is working.
As far as the movie running time being wrong, as Mick_69 says just do "Source Range" then do goto start frame - set start frame and then goto end frame - set end frame.
Now I have had one DivX that actually crashed when i did that, so you can get a program called Gspot Codec Info Utility. Load your DivX into that, aside from lots of useful info it has the running time with the ammount of frames, you can just type the number into the end frame on source range in TMPG.
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