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How are Memorex DL's working out for YOU?
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30. May 2009 @ 01:09 |
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Bought a 15 pack. 6 were bad.
Opened another pack 1 out of 2 already bad. I'm starting to think it's a burner-media compat. issue. I have The famous Pioneer 111D.
How are Memorex 8X DLs working out for you?
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30. May 2009 @ 17:27 |
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Me thinks it's a media issue especially if you were having no trouble before. Is your firmware up to date?
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31. May 2009 @ 00:19 |
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Yes, FW is current.
Verbs are great success with same drive. Wondering if ppl experiencing same failures with Memosuxors?
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31. May 2009 @ 00:30 |
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Verbs good DL; would not buy another brand other than the Verb DLs.
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varnull
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31. May 2009 @ 08:33 |
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memosux - should rename them megafail .. verbs actually work out cheaper when you count the coasters XD
ritek.. not to bad.. about 10% fail rate right after burning.. still not good enough for me as I only burn about 2-3 a month..
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zambi
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1. June 2009 @ 22:13 |
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I have a Philips DVDR3400 which has no problems with DVD+R DL 2.4x
from Memorex and Verbatim. But when I tried to use new Memorex 8x
discs it got error message saying it could not record to those discs?
I downloaded the latest firmware upgrade they have available for it
and same result? Maybe its too old?
I'd like to know which DVRs are able to successfully record to the
DVD+R DL 8x disc.
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zambi
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1. June 2009 @ 22:17 |
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Forgot to add that what makes things worse is that you can no longer
find Memorex DVD+R DL 2.4x. Luckily I'm still able to find Verbatim
2.4x to purchase but they are selling for almost twice as much as the
8x disc.
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1. June 2009 @ 22:27 |
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I don't want to use memosux but it's 50 for $32 shipped. :0
Burned 3 perfectos in a row now, will keep you updated!
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zambi
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2. June 2009 @ 00:33 |
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A 50pk of DVD+R DL 2.4x now sells for about $90-100.
A 50pk of DVD+R DL 8x sells for about $35-40 (i.e. what
the 2.4x used to sell for before 8x came out). WTF?
Since my DVR cannot record to 8x disc I may have to
buy a new one. The price difference between 8x and 2.4x
alone would justify the cost. But I don't want to buy a
new DVR unless I know it records ok using 8x. It will
be a major pain to order a new DVR online find out it
cannot use 8x disc and have to ship it back.
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2. June 2009 @ 07:54 |
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I never burn a verb DL faster than 2.4X. I can wait. I have the burners to go faster but choose not to.
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JoeRyan
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2. June 2009 @ 09:19 |
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The price difference between 2.4X and 8X reflects the cost difference between 2P and IS production methods for DL media. Once a plant switches to inverse stack, there's no going back. Sooner or later Verbatim will also have to make the switch in order to remain price competitive. You can always record at 2.4X or 4X on 8X discs in order to keep error rates low, but you must have a drive that can handle DL discs with the inverse stack. That generally rules out older DL drives--the price of "progress."
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3. June 2009 @ 00:25 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
I never burn a verb DL faster than 2.4X. I can wait. I have the burners to go faster but choose not to.
This man knows his stuff!
Originally posted by JoeRyan:
The price difference between 2.4X and 8X reflects the cost difference between 2P and IS production methods for DL media. Once a plant switches to inverse stack, there's no going back. Sooner or later Verbatim will also have to make the switch in order to remain price competitive. You can always record at 2.4X or 4X on 8X discs in order to keep error rates low, but you must have a drive that can handle DL discs with the inverse stack. That generally rules out older DL drives--the price of "progress."
Interesting. I wonder if the following is related to this.
IMPORTANT DISCOVERY:
So I have been burning around last 2 days with more Memzuxors. Now a new pack of them yielded 1 coaster out of 7 so far. Very good in my book. I was curious why this pack did so much better than the other pack that had identical packaging, speed, place of origin...
I found out there is a very distinguishing difference! On the underside of DVD (Dye side) there is a THICKER off-color band in between the clear center ring/hole and where the dye starts. The pack that works with my burner is the pack with the THICKER band. The pack that is incompatible with Pioneer 111D is the one with the much thinner band.
The media that doesn't work: Writing can't go past Leadin using CloneCD. It always fails when starting to write image, but it doesn't seem to waste the disc.
Sorry I don't have Marco cammera to document this. I have 2 more packs in my closet, I rreally hope they are the thicker band variety.
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19. June 2009 @ 11:33 |
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Memorex Media works best in the Microwave for 2 minutes or also great for target shooting !
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19. June 2009 @ 18:35 |
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Originally posted by BurningAs:
IMPORTANT DISCOVERY:
So I have been burning around last 2 days with more Memzuxors. Now a new pack of them yielded 1 coaster out of 7 so far. Very good in my book. I was curious why this pack did so much better than the other pack that had identical packaging, speed, place of origin...
I found out there is a very distinguishing difference! On the underside of DVD (Dye side) there is a THICKER off-color band in between the clear center ring/hole and where the dye starts. The pack that works with my burner is the pack with the THICKER band. The pack that is incompatible with Pioneer 111D is the one with the much thinner band.
The media that doesn't work: Writing can't go past Leadin using CloneCD. It always fails when starting to write image, but it doesn't seem to waste the disc.
Sorry I don't have Marco cammera to document this. I have 2 more packs in my closet, I rreally hope they are the thicker band variety.
You haven't mentioned who actually makes the discs you are talking about. What do they ID as?
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bratcher
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6. July 2009 @ 12:01 |
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Mine code out as Ritek (and if I remember the media code right) D01. They play fine on my Magnavox DVD recorder on both layers once they get burned with the computers Samsung drive. So far no coasters out of either a TDK 50 pack with the same Ritek DL media code or the first ten out of the Memorex DL 50 pack. Each one was burned at 4x instead of 8x as I get better results with DVDInfopro when the DL discs are burned at 4x than if one is burned at 8x. Verb DL's are still better though!!
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18. July 2009 @ 11:44 |
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my lite-on 1673s burner has compatibility issues with memorex dl.firmware is up to date.in general i stay away from memorex dl and sl discs.to many coasters in my opinion and general bad reviews from other ad members.
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26. July 2009 @ 18:37 |
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ALL memorex DVD+R DL media codes out as Ritek
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varnull
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27. July 2009 @ 09:28 |
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memosux are ritex rebranded B grade media.. quality control borderlines... ritek use the A grade for their ridata (and arita etc) branded seconds and A+ for their expensive own named Ritek disks (and those still really aren't that great) I'm wondering which factory these actually come out of. Moser-Baer are well known for the first few runs being complete rubbish then improving as everything settles in.. MII verbs are a good example. They are fine now after a very shaky start.
I only generally burn d/l's for 360 so I use verbs.. but occasionally I will use a Ritek from my stack of 100 .. so far 3 fails from 7 burns. PC reads them ok but standalone players won't have none of em.
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JoeRyan
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27. July 2009 @ 16:01 |
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Your information is false. Memorex, or more correctly, Imation, is the largest purchaser of Ritek DL media and insist on A-grade quality. Ritek is obliged to sent to Imation purchasing and Quality Control departments the production data for review on every shipment. Internal audits in Oakdale, MN, and on the shipping dock in Taipei, Taiwan check whether or not incoming material is consistent with the production lot information. If Ritek ever sent B-grade material to Imation, Imation/Memorex/TDK would drop Ritek as a supplier; and Ritek would lose their largest global customer.
A personal bias against a brand is understandable but no excuse for promulgating false information.
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bratcher
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27. July 2009 @ 16:53 |
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Originally posted by JoeRyan:
Your information is false. Memorex, or more correctly, Imation, is the largest purchaser of Ritek DL media and insist on A-grade quality. Ritek is obliged to sent to Imation purchasing and Quality Control departments the production data for review on every shipment. Internal audits in Oakdale, MN, and on the shipping dock in Taipei, Taiwan check whether or not incoming material is consistent with the production lot information. If Ritek ever sent B-grade material to Imation, Imation/Memorex/TDK would drop Ritek as a supplier; and Ritek would lose their largest global customer.
A personal bias against a brand is understandable but no excuse for promulgating false information.[/quote/
It seems that Imation owns Memorex & TDK. I didn't know that till I googled it.
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thekingbp
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2. August 2009 @ 11:37 |
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I had the same issue, i have to go with the media on this one. As you did i got a pack of 15, i burned about 7-8 coasters. They are to date one of the only media types ive had any problems with at all ( the other being some EXTREMELY cheap generic type dl media.) Honestly i would stick with verbatim if you have the funds too. After the coasters from the memorex, ive used nothing but verbs and havent looked back since;)
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JoeRyan
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3. August 2009 @ 13:48 |
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If your drive cannot handle IP DL discs but many other drives can, is the problem with the discs or your drive or simply an incompatibility between the two? (Before you answer, consider the fact that your drive manufacturer can alter the drive settings with a firmware to make it compatible if he thinks it's worthwhile; but the disc manufacturer cannot make changes. Ritek is making them that way because the yield and quality are better than alternative methods, and they can charge less for each disc.)
If the drive can be improved for better performance, but is not, then blaming the media, which work with other drives, seems a bit misdirected.
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Emilio123
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9. August 2009 @ 23:39 |
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It´s good cause it is still new! and after a period of time problems appeared
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JoeRyan
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10. August 2009 @ 09:24 |
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A good drive, even an excellent drive, can still be incompatible with certain types of discs. If you had 7-8 coasters from a pack of 15, the 8-7 that did work are probably bad recordings that will fail to play later on. Poor quality discs are only one of dozens of reasons for a bad recording. Incompatibility of disc and drives is the foremost reason.
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13. August 2009 @ 12:13 |
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Ok here is an update. It seems burns are far more stable at 4X than 2.4X when using memsuxors and verbs. When I burn Memo at 2.4X burn will always fail at leadin under circumstance I posted above. However same media is fine at 4X. HOWEVER at 4X and read on XBOX 360, videos are choppy meaning bad results even though burn was successful.
But damn, these things are so cheap! $32 to 50 shipped at the newegg!
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