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article published on 14 April, 2010
According to an ITWorld report, Adobe is on the verge of suing Apple, as the two companies continue to battle over Apple's strong rejection of Flash support on their devices.
The report cites "sources close to Adobe" when saying a lawsuit is in the works in the coming weeks.
Over the course of a few months, the niceties between the two companies has broken down, with Apple practically ... [ read the full article ]
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14. April 2010 @ 23:51 |
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So what can they sue them for again? Slander...? I don't see a real case here for some reason, or am I blind to the facts?
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15. April 2010 @ 01:32 |
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i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows
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15. April 2010 @ 01:57 |
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Originally posted by supasonic:
So what can they sue them for again? Slander...? I don't see a real case here for some reason, or am I blind to the facts?
They can sue them for getting along just fine without them.
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15. April 2010 @ 02:14 |
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Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows
The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.
If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!
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15. April 2010 @ 02:14 |
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Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows
I'm surprised Google doesn't do this too. Steve Jobs talks trash about Google and Adobe, yet the most popular apps/softwares on apple's products come from these two companies (Youtube, Google Search/Maps, Photoshop, etc).
If they really want to get back at Apple, don't sue them, they have tons of money, drop the support of your product on Apple's, that will really give them a beating.
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15. April 2010 @ 03:37 |
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I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess.
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15. April 2010 @ 07:25 |
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Originally posted by nonoitall:
I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess.
Hehe...I can't say I like either company, but...
I'll take flash over quicktime any day. (quicktime is free, and I still won't install it)
I'll take photoshop over any apple photo app. (I can't think of any that are good enough even to compair, other than GIMP...and GIMP is on everything but Android)
I'll take Premier over any apple video app. (again, I can't think of anything that is apple-exclusive and half as good as the Adobe competition)
Oh, and Adobe has never made an iPad, iPhone, iPod, iBook, or iMac...so that is 5 more points for adobe.
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15. April 2010 @ 09:26 |
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Originally posted by nonoitall:
I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess.
Heh, i think i shall do the same thing.
Seriously... i don't think it would be good idea for google or adobe to totally cut off the service. Better idea would be to supply "MAC" versions that don't have best features of Pc version. Kinda like we have better product than apple has on mac, but you get even better product if you switch to other operating system. Maybe even go as far as make mac products (serial key) to be compatible with pc version product and get those better features rightaway when you install it on windows.
Well i am an evil bastard and if apple told that ppl at my firm are lazy i would totally do that if i had the change... no matter how right jobs is he shouldn't have said that.
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15. April 2010 @ 11:21 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows
The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.
If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!
Guess what? The Microsoft Kin does not support Flash, and there's no in-browser support for Silverlight. Also. the Kin does not have IM capabilities.
A bit odd for a product that's marketed as a "social networking" device, wouldn't you say?
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Originally posted by oappi:
Originally posted by nonoitall:
I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess.
Heh, i think i shall do the same thing.
Seriously... i don't think it would be good idea for google or adobe to totally cut off the service. Better idea would be to supply "MAC" versions that don't have best features of Pc version. Kinda like we have better product than apple has on mac, but you get even better product if you switch to other operating system. Maybe even go as far as make mac products (serial key) to be compatible with pc version product and get those better features rightaway when you install it on windows.
Well i am an evil bastard and if apple told that ppl at my firm are lazy i would totally do that if i had the change... no matter how right jobs is he shouldn't have said that.
Even if people at your firm ARE lazy?
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15. April 2010 @ 11:26 |
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Adobe is not going to sue Apple unless they are the only company forbidden to use a packager for the iPhone - in which case they will win the case hands down.
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15. April 2010 @ 11:30 |
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"The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539
As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."
That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.
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15. April 2010 @ 11:34 |
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Originally posted by SkateNYC:
"The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539
As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."
That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.
Thanks fanboy
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15. April 2010 @ 12:26 |
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Originally posted by TwillieD:
Originally posted by SkateNYC:
"The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539
As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."
That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.
Thanks fanboy
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15. April 2010 @ 12:32 |
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Originally posted by SkateNYC:
Originally posted by TwillieD:
Originally posted by SkateNYC:
"The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539
As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."
That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.
Thanks fanboy
Always happy to help those in need.
Hahaha - in need of totally unobjective easily dismissed nonsense!
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15. April 2010 @ 13:27 |
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Originally posted by TwillieD:
Originally posted by SkateNYC:
Originally posted by TwillieD:
Originally posted by SkateNYC:
"The end of USB? Intel demos new Light Peak cable that's twice as fast as USB 3.0"
http://blogs.zdnet.com/computers/?p=2130&tag=nl.e539
As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel. It's possible that, because of this, Steve knows something that we don't know about the future of USB. Similar to when Apple introduced the original iMac, sans floppy drive. The screamers were yapping about what a failure it would be due to this "omission."
That was 12 years ago, and seems to have worked out nicely. Unless, of course, one is an Apple hater.
Thanks fanboy
Always happy to help those in need.
Hahaha - in need of totally unobjective easily dismissed nonsense!
Whatever it is you crave is fine with me.
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15. April 2010 @ 14:17 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by nonoitall:
I'm not fond of either Adobe or Apple, so I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and enjoy this whole mess.
Hehe...I can't say I like either company, but...
I'll take flash over quicktime any day. (quicktime is free, and I still won't install it)
I'll take photoshop over any apple photo app. (I can't think of any that are good enough even to compair, other than GIMP...and GIMP is on everything but Android)
I'll take Premier over any apple video app. (again, I can't think of anything that is apple-exclusive and half as good as the Adobe competition)
Oh, and Adobe has never made an iPad, iPhone, iPod, iBook, or iMac...so that is 5 more points for adobe.
Roflmo...+1. "What he said". :D
Still, it would be interesting to see Adobe only release the new CS5 for Doze and even Linux too (like Maya)... or even just delay it's Mac's release indefinitely. Have you seen some of it's new features? Like the new Content Aware Fill, I mean, that is just astounding (it's shown somewhere on ADs pages.)
Impulse buying Apple heads might bolt out and get a new DDR3 Core i7 PC with Win7 on SSD and go, "WTF? ...I can put a BR burner/player in this, OC it, have a couple of Vcards employing DirectCompute and upgrade it later if I want... what do you mean it's not more expensive than a Mac?... how many apps?... so these are those, how you say, 'computer games' you speak of!!!... maybe I'll plug it into my giant telly too... I suppose I can get used to more than one mouse button. ...There goes my religion..." :P
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15. April 2010 @ 14:24 |
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Originally posted by SkateNYC:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows
The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.
If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!
Guess what? The Microsoft Kin does not support Flash, and there's no in-browser support for Silverlight. Also. the Kin does not have IM capabilities.
A bit odd for a product that's marketed as a "social networking" device, wouldn't you say?
I notice that you didn't actually contradict KillerBug there Skat old bean. :P
Perhaps you aught to think before you go a quotin'... it's not the same as impulse buying. :D
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As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel...
Intel is no stranger to any other platform either... I have an Intel chipset and CPU... big deal. (I plan to marry it into an unholy alliance with an AMD/ATI HD5970.) Apple is playing catch-up as far as Intel is concerned, they're latecomers.
Light Peak will most probably be available on a PCI card along with USB3 (which will be popular because it's backwards compatible).
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That (floppy business) was 12 years ago...
So why are you banging on about it now?... so what? Apple's hype is exaggerated nowadays. Where would they be without Xerox or even Unix in the first place funboy???
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... .
That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.
Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me. Adobe is preparing to be the first to bridge the two, which may explain its SDK and GUI with flicking ads. You may have noticed that Adobe has control of whether they can view or hear you. Only 3d-party software gives you control.
Apple isn't happy, I'm sure, about Adobe's LSOs, which resemble greatly Windows' old ad caches (and can store personal information gathered by FlashPlayer, though it wasn't designed for that.) Again, 3d-party applications can remedy this security vulnerability.
Apple and Adobe no doubt have unreadable contracts. I can see why Apple,
keen on slim code, security, and their GUI might have problems with Adobe; and Adobe, dreaming of taking over streaming video finds Apple's attempt to keep them under control irritating.
Interesting that Flash block's Microsoft Silverlight, which also seems designed to replace television. These are 2d-party developers, with contracts with Apple; and Adobe writes a program that can be viewed along with SilverLight only on Microsoft Windows? Would you be a bit irked if you were Apple? ...and Adobe is going to sue Apple?
Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.
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Originally posted by supasonic:
So what can they sue them for again? Slander...? I don't see a real case here for some reason, or am I blind to the facts?
Yes, you are!
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Apple is a totalitarian company. They treat the gadgets they sell as if they still owned them. Of course, in that way they can control every aspect of what their customers can do (or don't) with them even when they no longer have the gadgets in their premises. Something like "cyber-communism"??
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by SkateNYC:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple in general does apple understand the magnitude of problems that would cause. I know so many people that own a mac just cause they like photoshop on it better than windows
The only difference is the default view; and you can change that. Anyone that would spend $2000 to avoid changing their view deserve to be stuck with a crApple.
If adobe wants to to be on the iPad and iPhone, they should just release flash for android...once that happens, apple will be forced to get flash; even if they have to write it themselves!
Guess what? The Microsoft Kin does not support Flash, and there's no in-browser support for Silverlight. Also. the Kin does not have IM capabilities.
A bit odd for a product that's marketed as a "social networking" device, wouldn't you say?
I notice that you didn't actually contradict KillerBug there Skat old bean. :P
Perhaps you aught to think before you go a quotin'... it's not the same as impulse buying. :D
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As most people know, Apple has a good relationship with Intel...
Intel is no stranger to any other platform either... I have an Intel chipset and CPU... big deal. (I plan to marry it into an unholy alliance with an AMD/ATI HD5970.) Apple is playing catch-up as far as Intel is concerned, they're latecomers.
Light Peak will most probably be available on a PCI card along with USB3 (which will be popular because it's backwards compatible).
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That (floppy business) was 12 years ago...
So why are you banging on about it now?... so what? Apple's hype is exaggerated nowadays. Where would they be without Xerox or even Unix in the first place funboy???
First, why you imagine I wanted to contradict him? As far as I'm concerned, anyone who attaches the term "fanboy" to his argument/perspective/commentary betrays the weakness of his position. Perhaps you ought to think before post? And, what exactly does any of this have to do with what you call "impulse buying?"
Next, yes, Intel does have relationships with several partners, but few who have the guts or initiative to attempt changing the landscape.
I'm "banging about it now" (i.e., the thunderous laughter at the introduction of the iMac without a floppy drive) as a means of comparison vis-a-vis how the rabble reacts to "Apple hype." Or did you not know that historical reference is a standard convention in debating?
As for Xerox and Unix, this is a moot point. Where would Microsoft be without IBM/DOS/and a multitude of PC vendors with suspect quality control?
What would Burger King be without McDonald's? Chevy without Ford? Peanut butter without jelly? An attack against Apple without the term "fanboy?"
Plenty of folks could have made the move to check out Zerox PARC which, from its inception, was exclusively a research facility. They never intended to market products based on their creations. And Xerox got a nice financial reward for their efforts:
Xerox was allowed to buy pre-IPO stock from Apple in exchange for engineer visits and an understanding that Apple would create a GUI product. Much later, in the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit in which Apple accused Microsoft of violating its copyright by appropriating the use of the "look and feel" of the Macintosh GUI, Xerox also sued Apple on the same grounds. The lawsuit was dismissed because the presiding judge ruled "that Xerox's complaints were inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons," although apocryphal revisionist history insists that Xerox simply waited too long to file suit, and the statute of limitations had expired. This was not actually true; the dismissal of Xerox' legal complaint was not based simply on late filings, but rather a lack of legal merit to Xerox' case as it was presented.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/24/busine...ple-barred.html
As for Unix, who bothered to make it the "invisible" OS that powers an elegant GUI? We should blame Apple for their implementation of powerful, available resources? Your suggestion that Apple would be a much different animal (or fruit) without deploying existing technology is both frivolous and redundant.
The "exaggerated Apple hype" argument is all durm and strang; loud, persistent and significant of nothing. With that, it seems to make some people feel better about themselves to announce this ad nauseum.
If you're criticizing Apple for their marketing strategies, then that's your issue. No matter how well any individual product is marketed, it cannot succeed unless it at least approaches it's so-called "hype." Your assertions are based on the false premise that tens of millions of people worldwide have been persuaded to purchase overpriced and under-performing gear that they don't need. This is absurd beyond absurdity.
Snarky responses to factual data are unwarranted, unseemly and cartoonish, further diminishing the credibility their authors.
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15. April 2010 @ 17:47 |
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Originally posted by Gneiss1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... .
That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.
Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me. Adobe is preparing to be the first to bridge the two, which may explain its SDK and GUI with flicking ads. You may have noticed that Adobe has control of whether they can view or hear you. Only 3d-party software gives you control.
Apple isn't happy, I'm sure, about Adobe's LSOs, which resemble greatly Windows' old ad caches (and can store personal information gathered by FlashPlayer, though it wasn't designed for that.) Again, 3d-party applications can remedy this security vulnerability.
Apple and Adobe no doubt have unreadable contracts. I can see why Apple,
keen on slim code, security, and their GUI might have problems with Adobe; and Adobe, dreaming of taking over streaming video finds Apple's attempt to keep them under control irritating.
Interesting that Flash block's Microsoft Silverlight, which also seems designed to replace television. These are 2d-party developers, with contracts with Apple; and Adobe writes a program that can be viewed along with SilverLight only on Microsoft Windows? Would you be a bit irked if you were Apple? ...and Adobe is going to sue Apple?
Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.
It's true, Macs's code is slimmer. Does it make any real difference in the long run?... Nope, not nowadays, it's no big deal.
I had an Amiga that could run Mac OS and it's apps in a window or a screen faster than a Mac could with the same CPU... in emulation! I often think how brilliant that OS and chipset was and wouldn't it be great if it was still going, still being developed... if the managers had not stolen all the money and fled...
But that's in the past, it's also about what your computer does or can do, not just how efficient it is.
Also, if Macs were the real bang-for-buck go all my 3d rendering artist mates would not have moved on to PCs after the demise the Video Toaster (Amiga).
Ram, power, storage space... these things are much much cheaper nowadays.. unlike Apple would have you believe.
It baffles me why one does not just build a compatible Hackintosh and run whatever OS they feel like.
(Before you go off half-cocked again Gneiss1, I'm typing this on an Asus EeePC 1000H netbook in Ubuntu).
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Originally posted by Gneiss1:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by thebob360:
i say why dont adobe stop supporting apple... .
That's what it did, I believe. We Apple user couldn't help notice that Adobe's fine coding for FlashPlayer 10's installer alone was 2.5 MB uncompressed for Microsoft, 7.4 MB compressed for Apple. Why is this? Sloppy coding must be hard on iPhone.
Well, when I was a tiny child, I often wondered whether people on television could see me. Adobe is preparing to be the first to bridge the two, which may explain its SDK and GUI with flicking ads. You may have noticed that Adobe has control of whether they can view or hear you. Only 3d-party software gives you control.
Apple isn't happy, I'm sure, about Adobe's LSOs, which resemble greatly Windows' old ad caches (and can store personal information gathered by FlashPlayer, though it wasn't designed for that.) Again, 3d-party applications can remedy this security vulnerability.
Apple and Adobe no doubt have unreadable contracts. I can see why Apple,
keen on slim code, security, and their GUI might have problems with Adobe; and Adobe, dreaming of taking over streaming video finds Apple's attempt to keep them under control irritating.
Interesting that Flash block's Microsoft Silverlight, which also seems designed to replace television. These are 2d-party developers, with contracts with Apple; and Adobe writes a program that can be viewed along with SilverLight only on Microsoft Windows? Would you be a bit irked if you were Apple? ...and Adobe is going to sue Apple?
Grateful I have my little library and a fountain pen.
LSO's are innocuous and completely controllable from the settings manager of the player.
Accusing Adobe of being out to get users or control user machines is ridiculous. The same can be said for 'sloppy code' remarks considering the company has provided creative professionals with an outstanding suite of development tools for over two decades.
Adobe doesn't write a program only viewed on Windows - Apple chooses not to use the hands down best medium for viewing internet content because it can't control it.
Apparently, not enough time is being spent at your library.
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Originally posted by meve:
Apple is a totalitarian company. They treat the gadgets they sell as if they still owned them. Of course, in that way they can control every aspect of what their customers can do (or don't) with them even when they no longer have the gadgets in their premises. Something like "cyber-communism"??
We live in a democracy. Capitalism allows consumers to buy products, free of choice.
If you don't like any particular item, then don't buy it, or buy a serviceable alternative.
This is not about class struggle, social or political ideology, or communism vs. democracy. The more informed the consumer is, the more likely he is to make sound choices. In the end, it's the consumer's responsibility to educate himself prior to making a purchase decision.
Same holds true for another popular American institution: marriage. If you don't like what you got after tying the knot, you've no one to blame but yourself.
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