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Director James Cameron calls BP bunch of morons
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article published on 3 June, 2010
Unless you have been on the island featured in "Lost" for the last month you have undoubtedly heard or read of the tragic oil spill caused by BP in the Gulf of Mexico.
Director James Cameron, the man behind the biggest grossing movies of all-time, Avatar and Titanic, is also an avid deep-sea explorer, and recently offered his help to BP in efforts to combat the spill which is leaking, ... [ read the full article ]
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3. June 2010 @ 15:31 |
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Posturing by Politicos and Hollywood really, really helps, doesn't it?
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luckyo
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3. June 2010 @ 17:48 |
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Posturing is all that politicians and celebrities CAN do. This is a leak at pretty extreme depth which requires very specialized experience. Cameron can help about as much there with his "advice and experience" as Paris Hilton.
Cold reality is, neither USA on governmental level, nor celebrities and their companies have access to the technology that would even properly function in conditions of a deep-sea oil well - if they did, they'd be hired by BP long ago. BP on the other hand has a LOT of such equipment - which is why it's BP rather then Halliburton or Transocean that is being pressed to plug it - people who actually have a clue know well enough that they're the only involved organization that actually stands a chance in those conditions.
Assigning guilt can wait at least until the well is plugged.
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Jake_C
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3. June 2010 @ 20:08 |
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Sorry but thats just so painfully naive, just because he's a celeb doesn't mean he doesn't know anything about deep sea, from what I've read (though it could easily be wrong) Cameron is very experianced with deep sea diving.
The thing that anoyed me most though luckyo is when you said BP are the best people to do it thats why there being pressurised into pluging it, WRONG it's their fault this has happened therfore they should be the ones who pay for and fix it, that's why there being pressed.
The only thing I slightly agree with you is that before they really look into why it happened, and who exactly's fault it is, they should fix the well. By they I mean anyone at all who can, I don't think anyone would really care who fixed it as long as BP really do pay to fix it and pay to fix the huge volume of problems the leak will/is cause/causing
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3. June 2010 @ 22:07 |
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Doesn't matter, what can a deep sea diver possibly bring to the table when it comes to cleaning an oil spill? That's like getting poker advice from a card magician.. May be in the same field (even though James isn't exactly a professional deep sea diver), but leagues apart in their expertise.
"Hey guys! I may not be able to help filter out this oil, but I can take professional pictures of fish!"
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3. June 2010 @ 22:38 |
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Keith Olbermann
It's liberal thinking like yours that is driving this country in the same direction as Rome 2000 years before. I live about 250 miles from the well site. We can smell the oil burning when the wind is right. Our state lives and dies with OIL and SEAFOOD, our two greatest industries. What is needed is a $hit pile full of engineers and not movie makers. The government does NOT run anything correctly and never will. Cameron might be able to digitally fix the blowout!
When the oil is lapping the shoreline of The Statue of Liberty and has fouled the Florida Keys and coral reefs and the Atlantic Beaches, then maybe the Aholes, both Democratic and Republican, might get off their Aholes and do something constructive rather than preach to the choir! They write the regulations and are supposed to enforce them. Oh, except they're watching porn on the internet.
Evert state which does not support drilling. production, or refining should be paying at least $2 per gallon more for their privilege to drive.
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slickwill
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3. June 2010 @ 23:02 |
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The plan is for the government/globalists to milk this disaster as long as possible in order to pass their fake Green Agenda based off the global warming hoax. This includes the carbon taxes, green jobs (which causes the loss of more jobs), and such.
The news is reporting that the clean up crew is getting sick from the clean-up making us think the oil is causing it, when in fact it is the chemicals for the cleanup that is causing them to get sick.
They are not allowing the fisherman down their access to the coast, purposely blocking them from working, and destroying their economy.
The news doesn't say that oil leaks occur naturally in the ocean, and that their are micro-organism that eat up the oil and can be used to help clean up the mess.
They don't need James' help b/c they are already paid off by corporate interests to use their cleanup method and products, which the tax payers are paying.
Did you read that Goldman Sax sold there 400,000 Shares of BP stock 2 days before the explosion.....that is really suspicious...since they played such a big part in designing the economic collapse of the U.S.
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4. June 2010 @ 01:06 |
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Lol, cameron wouldn't be able to do much, it's not robots that's the problem.
BP could cap this oil in a day or 2 but haven't because they'd rather keep the well and do a cheapish fix and keep the pipe then reuse the well again.
they could cap it then weld around the cap to stop it but that would mean you can't use that pipe again and lose the well completely and have to re-drill a new pipe and do a new setup at the new drill site.
SO would need new lic's and then spending extra for the new setup etc.
It won't be the worker messing around it'll be the bosses messing around trying to do silly stuff on the cheap.
Lol, shoving bits of rock and metal into the pipe bloody funny like that's going to block it, I wonder which boss came up with that idea.
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4. June 2010 @ 04:24 |
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They turned down his help because they refuse to admit mistakes...and their biggest mistake in all of this (other than using a blow-out preventer that caused a blow-out) is their lack of preparation.
When this first happened, a BP spokesperson was being interviewed. At the time, they had yet to try the "funnel" approach, and were having the "funnel" constructed. The spokesperson said that they would already have it fixed, but to address every possible disaster, they would need a whole dock of disaster recovery equipment. My question is why they didn't...BP is a huge company with wells all over the world. With that many wells, it is guaranteed that they will have accidents and spills. One dock full of recovery equipment would not be very expensive given the size of the company...in fact, the same equipment could be used for all companies; if every oil producer paid a tiny percentage of a percent, they would have several of these docks setup all over the world. Instead, they try one thing at a time, and they don't even bother to start preparations for "plan b" until "plan a" has been tried twice. In fact, they are now re-trying "plan a" after abandoning it because they said it was impossible...and there still isn't a "plan c".
They should issue a ban on all new deep water drilling until at least one "emergency dock" has been stocked...if they did that, then we would have an "emergency dock" within about a month, and every oil company in the world would be in the gulf...this is a disaster for BP, for Louisiana, or for mother earth in general...but ultimately, it is a disaster for the entire oil industry.
So far, BP has taken 45 days with no success. They are now re-re-re-attempting something that they already said was impossible.
I don't know if james could help...he does have a lot of skill in this area, and he also has the equipment. Given the fact that BP claims their current attempt is impossible, they might as well give James a shot at it; they already know their people/equipment cannot do the job.
The fact is that BP cannot fix this. The government needs to step in an take control...and give it to someone competent, or at least someone who has an idea that has not already been shown to be impossible.
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4. June 2010 @ 13:56 |
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i bet the US Navy could fix it.
i know why all there attempts have failed because every on they've tried requires the oil flow to stop completely you cant do this you need to make a cap with 2 small holes big enough for a hose have the hose, above water level the send in a team of divers to connect the other end of the hose to the open cap easy as pie.
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5. June 2010 @ 08:35 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
i bet the US Navy could fix it.
i know why all there attempts have failed because every on they've tried requires the oil flow to stop completely you cant do this you need to make a cap with 2 small holes big enough for a hose have the hose, above water level the send in a team of divers to connect the other end of the hose to the open cap easy as pie.
First the depth prevents divers from reaching the well head. Second, I venture that it is impossible to attach any type of hose to the damaged BOP. Anyone ever connected another hose to a hose that is on full force. The pressure prevents it. :)
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5. June 2010 @ 10:30 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
Originally posted by DXR88:
i bet the US Navy could fix it.
i know why all there attempts have failed because every on they've tried requires the oil flow to stop completely you cant do this you need to make a cap with 2 small holes big enough for a hose have the hose, above water level the send in a team of divers to connect the other end of the hose to the open cap easy as pie.
First the depth prevents divers from reaching the well head. Second, I venture that it is impossible to attach any type of hose to the damaged BOP. Anyone ever connected another hose to a hose that is on full force. The pressure prevents it. :)
not if you have some kind of Auxiliary pump or auxiliary well. lets just put it this way there never going to fix it completely there going to have to slow it down first as like you said the pressures just to high and will just blow off whatever they but on it.
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5. June 2010 @ 20:04 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
The fact is that BP cannot fix this. The government needs to step in an take control...and give it to someone competent, or at least someone who has an idea that has not already been shown to be impossible.
They can they just don't want to lose the well.
SO you try all sorts of useless and pointless things and ideas to stop it.
If they can stop a burning oil well on land they can do the same under water.
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5. June 2010 @ 22:17 |
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It will stop once the reservoir is drained completely. Or should I say, when the pressures equalize. With oil being less dense than water, when it drains completely.
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5. June 2010 @ 22:50 |
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xtago, they set off an explosive device just above the well head to eliminate the oxygen feeding the fire. once fire is out then they go in with the oil still gushing out under pressure to turn off the valve in the well head. can't do that underwater as the oil is not burning.
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5. June 2010 @ 23:51 |
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At some point, as ddp points out, when the pressure drops, then they might be able to go back to the pumping mud back into the hole and stop it that way. I just don't see how they can drill the other two wells and actually hit the casing of the blown out well which is what they are telling us they are attempting to do. And now the oil is at Pensacola, FL-it's the nasty heavy brownish orange stuff.
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7. June 2010 @ 00:16 |
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Divers can go that deep; they have to wear diving gear that looks like the big daddy from bioshock, but they can do it.
Welding equipment does work at the depths...400m is generally the limit for a diver, but there is equipment that can go down deeper than the 1500m that the well is at...equipment that would work if used by a remote sub.
MY PLAN:
1.) get a tube that is slightly larger in inner diameter than the blown tube's outer diameter.
2.) Cut notches in the sides of the new tube, so that a steel plate can be slid into the side of the pipe, blocking most of the flow.
3.) Weld a "quick-connect" fitting on the top of the new pipe.
4.) Connect a valve to a "quick-connect" fitting to fit the one from step 3.
5.) Put the new pipe over the old one (without the plate, so it is open enough that it can go on without getting pushed off)/
6.) Weld new pipe in place on well.
7.) Insert steel plate in pipe, reducing flow to quick-connect valve.
8.) Connect the quick-connect fittings with valve open.
9.) Weld areas around steel plate slots where oil is coming out.
10.) Close valve.
I can't say for sure that it would work...but at least it hasn't been shown to be impossible.
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7. June 2010 @ 13:57 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Divers can go that deep; they have to wear diving gear that looks like the big daddy from bioshock, but they can do it.
Welding equipment does work at the depths...400m is generally the limit for a diver, but there is equipment that can go down deeper than the 1500m that the well is at...equipment that would work if used by a remote sub.
MY PLAN:
1.) get a tube that is slightly larger in inner diameter than the blown tube's outer diameter.
2.) Cut notches in the sides of the new tube, so that a steel plate can be slid into the side of the pipe, blocking most of the flow.
3.) Weld a "quick-connect" fitting on the top of the new pipe.
4.) Connect a valve to a "quick-connect" fitting to fit the one from step 3.
5.) Put the new pipe over the old one (without the plate, so it is open enough that it can go on without getting pushed off)/
6.) Weld new pipe in place on well.
7.) Insert steel plate in pipe, reducing flow to quick-connect valve.
8.) Connect the quick-connect fittings with valve open.
9.) Weld areas around steel plate slots where oil is coming out.
10.) Close valve.
I can't say for sure that it would work...but at least it hasn't been shown to be impossible.
Sounds legit except for the welding parts.You put a torch with Oxygen spewing out to let the torch burn will ignite the Hydrates and also the Nat Gas. Probably why they didn't try just cutting pipe off with a torch.
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Yup...and their disaster readiness report ignored most of the potential problems, the staff on the rig was cut right before the disaster, BP was pushing the employees to skip safety steps in order to get higher productivity, etc, etc, etc. I wouldn't even be surprised if they skimped on the blowout preventer...that might explain why it jammed so severely that rather than closing it, they have to try all these strange solutions.
I figured that if it was possible to ignite the flow underwater, it would still be on fire from the initial blaze...but I am no expert in thermodynamics at 1 mile under water.
BTW...have they admitted what happened to cause all this yet? It seems obvious to me, but I am an outsider and I am not an oil man, so I don't have all the details. I do know that a jammed blowout preventer can cause an explosion, and I know that the blowout preventer is jammed open...but I am not sure if that is a symptom or a cause of the explosion.
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9. June 2010 @ 14:07 |
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Whatever technical help is available to BP should be used.
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