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China claims to have fastest supercomputer
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article published on 30 October, 2010
China claims to have built the world's faster supercomputer, surpassing the Cray XT5 Jaguar supercomputer in the United States.
The Tianhe-1A was unveiled on Thursday and claims a performance record of 2.507 petaflops (flops == floating point operations per second; petaflops == 1015), beating the Cray XT5 Jaguar's 1.75 petaflops record. The Chinese system will have to wait to be crowned ... [ read the full article ]
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Morreale
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30. October 2010 @ 21:17 |
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Being Chinese designed/assembled, it will probably take the title of the most dysfunctional supercomputer in the world as well.
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31. October 2010 @ 01:52 |
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...And it probably also takes the title of, "Computer Containing the Most Lead".
"Certainly there's some nationalistic pride in having the fastest computer, but it's also a signal that the U.S. is not the dominant force when it comes to supercomputing," said Jack Dongarra, a computing expert at the University of Tennessee.
...Well, other than the fact that the processors and GPUs are all designed in the USA.
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31. October 2010 @ 08:35 |
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1. November 2010 @ 09:06 |
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[Supercomputers] are use in..."and other tasks"
- such as nuclear weapons modeling.
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4. November 2010 @ 12:51 |
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I wonder how much child labor went into building it.
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Gnawnivek
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4. November 2010 @ 13:17 |
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Don't you hate sour grape posts/comments? If China have the fastest supercomputer, the proper response is "we can do better!" The CAN DO attitude in the good old USA is dying with the current gen. The other day I heard this on the radio and some expert said that such supercomputer cost millions of dollars to operate in terms of energy. Well, that's true, but nevertheless, it's still a sour grape comment.
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4. November 2010 @ 15:48 |
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Can't say as that I see any sour grape posts/comments (if it's all the posts above you're referring to). All I seen were a few post that gave me a little chuckle and I moved on.
There's a difference between some one posting is bit of harmless humor and someone posting serious negativity.
I do understand what you're saying, though, and the results are already present. Our education systems ranks towards the bottom of the list. We are no longer THE superpower. Our healthcare system is in turmoil.
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Gnawnivek
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4. November 2010 @ 16:19 |
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Don't get me started on the education... I'm heart broken as an American citizen and I'm really worried about the current gen. You would think that with the computers and internet, kids can learn almost anything they want right? All the kids want to be is a rock star or ball player. Not that there's anything wrong with it, just that, sigh, we got plenty of those and supercomputers are not designed by rock stars or ball players.
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4. November 2010 @ 17:21 |
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I'm right there with you in agreement.
The tools to learn have never been more obtainable and easier to use. The problem is the lack of motivation. This generation is spoiled and they don't even know it.
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bogwart16
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4. November 2010 @ 20:19 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Don't you hate sour grape posts/comments? If China have the fastest supercomputer, the proper response is "we can do better!" The CAN DO attitude in the good old USA is dying with the current gen. The other day I heard this on the radio and some expert said that such supercomputer cost millions of dollars to operate in terms of energy. Well, that's true, but nevertheless, it's still a sour grape comment.
Very true. Americans whinge at everything these days. Sour grapes is exactly right.
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4. November 2010 @ 21:57 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Can't say as that I see any sour grape posts/comments (if it's all the posts above you're referring to). All I seen were a few post that gave me a little chuckle and I moved on.
There's a difference between some one posting is bit of harmless humor and someone posting serious negativity.
I do understand what you're saying, though, and the results are already present. Our education systems ranks towards the bottom of the list. We are no longer THE superpower. Our healthcare system is in turmoil.
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pmshah
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5. November 2010 @ 05:09 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
...And it probably also takes the title of, "Computer Containing the Most Lead".
"Certainly there's some nationalistic pride in having the fastest computer, but it's also a signal that the U.S. is not the dominant force when it comes to supercomputing," said Jack Dongarra, a computing expert at the University of Tennessee.
...Well, other than the fact that the processors and GPUs are all designed in the USA.
Yeah, most probably by foreigners working for the US companies !!
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pmshah
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5. November 2010 @ 05:19 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
I'm right there with you in agreement.
The tools to learn have never been more obtainable and easier to use. The problem is the lack of motivation. This generation is spoiled and they don't even know it.
Easy availability of learning tools makes it even worse. I remember some 40 years ago when I was working in Chicago. People with 16 and 20 years of retail billing experience could not mentally calculate 5% sales tax. They could not add 10 5 digit numbers by simple arithmetic. They needed a chart for the first one and a mechanical adding machine for the latter.
Here in India electronic calculators are not allowed until you get to college, and that too only non programmables ones. This forces one to develop mental skills so essential in daily life.
If you see any TV news coverage of NASA control center you will notice almost all present have a slide rule on their table and not a calculator.
Unless your fundamentals and basics are clear and strong there is no hope !!
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 7. November 2010 @ 11:44
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5. November 2010 @ 05:48 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Don't get me started on the education... I'm heart broken as an American citizen and I'm really worried about the current gen. You would think that with the computers and internet, kids can learn almost anything they want right? All the kids want to be is a rock star or ball player. Not that there's anything wrong with it, just that, sigh, we got plenty of those and supercomputers are not designed by rock stars or ball players.
that might be cause ball players and musicians can get rich and famous practically overnight and most people can't name a great modern scientist.
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Gnawnivek
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5. November 2010 @ 11:11 |
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Originally posted by pmshah:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
I'm right there with you in agreement.
The tools to learn have never been more obtainable and easier to use. The problem is the lack of motivation. This generation is spoiled and they don't even know it.
Easy availability of learning tools makes it even worse. I remember some 40 years ago when I was working in Chicago. People with 16 and 20 years of retail billing experience could not mentally calculate 5% sales tax. They could not add 10 5 digit numbers by simple arithmetic. They needed a chart for the first one and a mechanical adding machine for the latter.
Here in India electronic calculators are not allowed until you get to college, and that too only non programmables ones. This forces one to develop mental skills so essential in daily life.
If you see any TV news coverage of NASA control center you will notice almost all present have a slide rule on their table and not a calculator.
Unless your fundamentals and basics are clear and strong there is no hole !!
I agree with what you've said, but the TOOLS TO LEARN mentioned by bhetrick don't necessarily mean calculators. The tools could be portable dictionaries, specific knowledge databases or internet search engines. In the "older" days, we had to do a lot of manual work to get the information we need. I agree that the "old" days actually made us learn the hard way, but you can't deny the fact that we wasted a lot of precious time...
The current gen have all of those wonderful tools at their disposal (remember our computers? 386? 486?). The kids are just motivated differently now a day. In the Asian cultures, the older generations are to blame if the younger generations don't learn. I don't like China for a lot of reasons, but one thing I have to give them credit for, they work damn hard!
The Chinese kids can speak English with ease now a day. English is sort like a 2nd language to them. Those kids can do algebra in 2nd or 3rd grade! While our kids learning add/subtract, the Chinese kids already mastered multiplication/division.
Yeah, it's easy to be a comedian too, but that won't help us build supercomputers either. Besides, we have too many comedians in Congress already don't we?
Sure, you can get a chuckle here and there, but when you think about it, even the jokes are uninspired. I wonder if there's any jokes left to tell in another decade...
Peace!
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Gnawnivek
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5. November 2010 @ 11:11 |
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Originally posted by pmshah:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
I'm right there with you in agreement.
The tools to learn have never been more obtainable and easier to use. The problem is the lack of motivation. This generation is spoiled and they don't even know it.
Easy availability of learning tools makes it even worse. I remember some 40 years ago when I was working in Chicago. People with 16 and 20 years of retail billing experience could not mentally calculate 5% sales tax. They could not add 10 5 digit numbers by simple arithmetic. They needed a chart for the first one and a mechanical adding machine for the latter.
Here in India electronic calculators are not allowed until you get to college, and that too only non programmables ones. This forces one to develop mental skills so essential in daily life.
If you see any TV news coverage of NASA control center you will notice almost all present have a slide rule on their table and not a calculator.
Unless your fundamentals and basics are clear and strong there is no hole !!
I agree with what you've said, but the TOOLS TO LEARN mentioned by bhetrick don't necessarily mean calculators. The tools could be portable dictionaries, specific knowledge databases or internet search engines. In the "older" days, we had to do a lot of manual work to get the information we need. I agree that the "old" days actually made us learn the hard way, but you can't deny the fact that we wasted a lot of precious time...
The current gen have all of those wonderful tools at their disposal (remember our computers? 386? 486?). The kids are just motivated differently now a day. In the Asian cultures, the older generations are to blame if the younger generations don't learn. I don't like China for a lot of reasons, but one thing I have to give them credit for, they work damn hard!
The Chinese kids can speak English with ease now a day. English is sort like a 2nd language to them. Those kids can do algebra in 2nd or 3rd grade! While our kids learning add/subtract, the Chinese kids already mastered multiplication/division.
Yeah, it's easy to be a comedian too, but that won't help us build supercomputers either. Besides, we have too many comedians in Congress already don't we?
Sure, you can get a chuckle here and there, but when you think about it, even the jokes are uninspired. I wonder if there's any jokes left to tell in another decade...
Peace!
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