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Bon Jovi blames Apple for 'killing music business'
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article published on 15 March, 2011
Jon Bon Jovi has blamed Apple and CEO Steve Jobs today for "killing music" with the success of the iTunes digital music platform.
The lead singer of the band Bon Jovi says "the magical experience" of buying records in brick-and-mortar stores is now disappearing thanks to iTunes.
Says Bon Jovi (via MSN):
Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning ... [ read the full article ]
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15. March 2011 @ 11:18 |
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Agreed. I think going to a store to buy a CD and owning that CD is much more fulfilling then just downloading it off of some virtual music store in shit quality.
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15. March 2011 @ 11:34 |
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Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
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15. March 2011 @ 11:42 |
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Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Remember when they tried singles on CD for like $10? Record label fail lol
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15. March 2011 @ 11:44 |
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Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
When the digital stores start having audio selections in lossless formats so that you can get CD quality then you will have a valid point of not buying physical media.
Also in this day and age you can buy cds off the internet. You still don't have to physically go to a brick and mortar store if you don't want to.
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15. March 2011 @ 12:12 |
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Also musicians just don't seem to care about quality like they did in the old days. A lot of songs now are garbage on an album. As a teen 20 years ago I could at least count on over 20 bands actually having an entire album I would want on CD, but as the years kept passing on music started sounding the same. Bands borrowed from other bands likeness more and more, dance borrowed from hip hop which borrowed from 80s which borrowed from 60s. Originality paved the way for remakes, and anything that is original still sounds too much like something else.
Maybe I lost my faith in music, but the artists can blame themselves for that. I won't buy from apple's digi-store cause frankly the music I like enough to buy isn't even offered or I already own on CD. Gone are the days as Jovi described, but not all of us have forgotten, and I still think kids can appreciate the albums that matter. Good music will always be good music worth succumbing too; Beetles proved that, and so did a lot of other kings and queens of music throughout the generations.
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15. March 2011 @ 12:23 |
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People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.
As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!
Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.
Stay objective people.
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15. March 2011 @ 12:25 |
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Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because some of the songs and albums some of us lucky enough to have lived in the age of records, tapes, and CDs (age of the album) have become our favorites not because of the hit single from that album, but from the other songs on the album and how they work together to form that album.
Some of my favorite albums are favorites because of the collection of songs that make up the album, not the "hits."
In the digital age, the album is indeed dead. They've been watered down to the "hits" only, where much (if not the vast majority) of the art has been lost.
There never would have been a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" concept album, and artists like Frank Zappa or the Grateful Dead may never have even gotten off the ground in the digital age where you sell only singles.
So... since there actually are Zappas, groups like the Dead, and art/concept albums out there waiting to be discovered - many of those artists are going to die off before they even get started since that kind of art is difficult to financially survive in today's digital age where you must sell empty pop like Britney, Gaga, Beiber, and Kei$ha.
The digital age and selling singles is not an evolution of the old album being bad. The digital age has brought a change in medium, which is in turn is the actual *cause* of today's bad music. Now, what sells is only what's popular - not what's actually good music.
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15. March 2011 @ 12:32 |
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When the digital stores start having audio selections in lossless formats so that you can get CD quality then you will have a valid point of not buying physical media.
They do:
High Definition Tape Transfers
B&W Music Club
iTrax
HDTracks
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15. March 2011 @ 12:50 |
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Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
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15. March 2011 @ 13:40 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
HEY. Bon Jovi is 50 times the man that any other man could EVER be.
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15. March 2011 @ 14:08 |
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iTunes provides a chance for artists that aren't "good enough" to be on a label to share their music and make some money off of it.
and i dislike buying a cd for 11.99 and getting only 10 tracks
where on iTunes i can get bonus tracks + a music video and the album covers in PDF.
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15. March 2011 @ 14:10 |
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The digital medium just allows people to hear the trash songs in an album first, instead of having to buy the whole thing on faith in the artist alone. Not every album can be comprised of top 100 hits but, the artists can no longer rely on filler material either. Instead of whining, the artists need to just work harder to make better music and the masses will be reengaged.
I still buy/download full albums (maybe I am a completest, well, that and it is usually cheaper than downloading just the ones I like). 40% of the songs on those albums just take up hard drive space and occasionally get played due to random selection.
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15. March 2011 @ 17:59 |
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Hey Bon Jovi,
Musicland is dead!
It ain't never coming back!
DEAL WITH IT!
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15. March 2011 @ 18:40 |
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Music is dead because of Simon Cowell, X Factor, American Idol, Britain's got Shit Talent, Boy Bands, Disney and gready bastard record companies.
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15. March 2011 @ 18:42 |
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Music is dead because of Simon Cowell, X Factor, American Idol, Britain's got Shit Talent, Boy Bands, Disney and Gready Bastard Record Companies.
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15. March 2011 @ 19:50 |
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Originally posted by lissenup2:
People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.
As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!
Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.
Stay objective people.
ummmm no again ... you should be more subjective. I USED to like Metallica and enjoyed all of their albums upto the Black Album ...
Napster provided a way for broke college kids to sample the music they enjoyed ...and some they didn't. These same college kids couldn't afford the $20 CD's anyway.
Everyone knows a bands real core followers start early ... like jr high ...or even sooner. The bands/recording artists would invest their sound into the legions of soon to follow die hard fans. Metallica pissed away an entire generation of followers.
Wonder why Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, even Michael Jackson have legions of die hards...they took the time and had the forethought to invest in their base first.
In reality... when those same college kids were alienated by the likes of Metallica...they remembered that when they graduated and became very productive members of society... The ones that bought all the albums they couldn't afford in college. guess what ...they pissed off their fan base ..the ones that worked all week at McDonalds or some shitty restaurant just to buy a concert ticket to sit way in the back....
I also remember when 40-50 dollars you could get a top quality tour shirt and have decent seats ... heh you can't even park for half that nowadays.
Youre probably not old enough to even recognize that. All it takes is a simple photo of the crowds at their concerts. No longer the masses of headbangers and air guitarist ... but weekend harley riders that go to work in their office cubicle in the day time.
Napster started as a much more simple form of music sharing ... much like borrowing your next door dormmates snoop doggystyle cassette or CD and dubbing it. We still purchased the album in due time.
Most importantly .. Music is a novelty and is often received differently from person to person. It catches on like wild fire or dies like a cold snow all based on how it is received. One person who likes it really has the power to share and persuade others to be patient and appreciate it ... or NOT in this case. If your band is in the NOT category ..sorry ... lawsuits are not going to salvage your greedy ass career.
In other words to new and upcoming artists... invest in your base first ...EARN your following and the fruits of your labor will be lifelong ...ask Ozzy.
As far as Steve Jobs and Itunes ... i feel relation between the heirs of the great Sam Walton and Walmart ... maximum profits with as little as possible personalized service. No this wasn't the goal of Sam Walton ..nor do I feel it was the goal of Steve Jobs...but I do feel like Jobs/Apple - Walton Heirs/Walmart sold out the little guy down the river for a few extra peanuts.
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15. March 2011 @ 22:04 |
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Originally posted by trainmstr:
Originally posted by lissenup2:
People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.
As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!
Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.
Stay objective people.
ummmm no again ... you should be more subjective. I USED to like Metallica and enjoyed all of their albums upto the Black Album ...
Napster provided a way for broke college kids to sample the music they enjoyed ...and some they didn't. These same college kids couldn't afford the $20 CD's anyway.
Everyone knows a bands real core followers start early ... like jr high ...or even sooner. The bands/recording artists would invest their sound into the legions of soon to follow die hard fans. Metallica pissed away an entire generation of followers.
Wonder why Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, even Michael Jackson have legions of die hards...they took the time and had the forethought to invest in their base first.
In reality... when those same college kids were alienated by the likes of Metallica...they remembered that when they graduated and became very productive members of society... The ones that bought all the albums they couldn't afford in college. guess what ...they pissed off their fan base ..the ones that worked all week at McDonalds or some shitty restaurant just to buy a concert ticket to sit way in the back....
I also remember when 40-50 dollars you could get a top quality tour shirt and have decent seats ... heh you can't even park for half that nowadays.
Youre probably not old enough to even recognize that. All it takes is a simple photo of the crowds at their concerts. No longer the masses of headbangers and air guitarist ... but weekend harley riders that go to work in their office cubicle in the day time.
Napster started as a much more simple form of music sharing ... much like borrowing your next door dormmates snoop doggystyle cassette or CD and dubbing it. We still purchased the album in due time.
Most importantly .. Music is a novelty and is often received differently from person to person. It catches on like wild fire or dies like a cold snow all based on how it is received. One person who likes it really has the power to share and persuade others to be patient and appreciate it ... or NOT in this case. If your band is in the NOT category ..sorry ... lawsuits are not going to salvage your greedy ass career.
In other words to new and upcoming artists... invest in your base first ...EARN your following and the fruits of your labor will be lifelong ...ask Ozzy.
As far as Steve Jobs and Itunes ... i feel relation between the heirs of the great Sam Walton and Walmart ... maximum profits with as little as possible personalized service. No this wasn't the goal of Sam Walton ..nor do I feel it was the goal of Steve Jobs...but I do feel like Jobs/Apple - Walton Heirs/Walmart sold out the little guy down the river for a few extra peanuts.
I'm 37 about to turn 38 at the end of May you putz!
and you rattled such feeble-minded, incoherent gibberish with no merit that I lost interest half way through.
And you must be young because "subjective" is defined as:"pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation"............in other words, HOW YOU SEE IT and not HOW IT IS AS PERTAINED TO THE OBJECT.
So your incompetence basically just stated that I/we should look at this from MY point of view. Get a clue and an education and with that will come a rational thought.
As for the topic at hand, Napster started this and Jobs did not.
And as for Metallica, the black album rocked! It was the next one that lost its meaning and the fanbase. Check your head. You're a waste of my time that now I can't get back..........Shame!
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15. March 2011 @ 22:09 |
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Originally posted by Frogfart:
Music is dead because of Simon Cowell, X Factor, American Idol, Britain's got Shit Talent, Boy Bands, Disney and gready bastard record companies.
i actually saw altiyan on xfactor sing a bon jovi song a lot better than bon jovi sang it.the problem with them types of shows is once every few years they will find a star.inbetween that they wil find people that may be able to sing slightly and try and turn them into stars.
apple didnt kill music.artists and record comapnys let there songs be made digital and sold as digital.personally i dont see why someone would pay $1 for a song when you can find better quality digital versions free.
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15. March 2011 @ 22:15 |
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i remember going into a blockbuster music if yall can remember that lol and listing to music there but amazon almost is the same as going to brick n mortar you dont get to listen to entire song but you get a clip at least.
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16. March 2011 @ 00:20 |
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Sorry, but CD sales were already declining before iTunes came along...that's just where most of the legal digital distribution went and Apple was smart to capitalize on it. It's the recording industry that got stuck in the past and hasn't been able to catch up.
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16. March 2011 @ 02:42 |
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Originally posted by lissenup2:
People really need to wake up and adjust. It is what it is and buying music like the good ol' days is gone. Yes, it's a shame but IT IS WHAT IT IS so anyone living in the past needs to pipe down and get realistic.
As for Steve Jobs "killing the music business"........Ummm NO!
Steve is at best responsible for coveting the music with the B.S. DRM but Sean Parker creating Napster caused the CD buying decline in the music business and NOTHING MORE. It's Napster that started the change and Napster that enraged Metallica and caused the lawsuits to start.
Stay objective people.
Agreed Sean Parker is the one who started the change in how we obtain music. There are still record stores around that sell LP's and CD's new. You just have to turn off the computer and get outside and look.
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16. March 2011 @ 02:49 |
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New App that turns your "iPad" into a cassette stereo that Whining Old Man Jon Bon Jovi would approve of.... Just for Fun ;)
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16. March 2011 @ 03:34 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Remember when they tried singles on CD for like $10? Record label fail lol
LoL, what do you mean trying singles on a CD?
Singles have been done since vinyl records have been out, probably before that too.
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16. March 2011 @ 05:24 |
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Originally posted by shortybob:
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
HEY. Bon Jovi is 50 times the man that any other man could EVER be.
IMHO, he should stick to killing vamps
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16. March 2011 @ 06:15 |
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Originally posted by miketrev:
Originally posted by shortybob:
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Bon Jovi should look in the mirror and realize his own brand of shitty music is just as responsible for people turning to single song downloads versus CD model...
HEY. Bon Jovi is 50 times the man that any other man could EVER be.
IMHO, he should stick to killing vamps
i got a m8 with throat cancer that has a better voice than bon jovi.actually they sound kinda the same.
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