Originally posted by blaster4:

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"Give us what we want or we'll kill ourselves!"
Go for it! Jump! Perhaps if Foxconn stopped paying out for suicides, nobody would want to jump! What weird employees they must have. Get a new boss if you don't like Foxconn, FFS!
I hope the new robots won't get militant too!

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by blaster4:

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"Give us what we want or we'll kill ourselves!"
Go for it! Jump! Perhaps if Foxconn stopped paying out for suicides, nobody would want to jump! What weird employees they must have. Get a new boss if you don't like Foxconn, FFS!
I hope the new robots won't get militant too!

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That is just plain wrong... How can you blame on the workers? Remember, there are no medical or unemployment protections like we have here, hence cheaper labor. To tell another human being to jump off the building is just plain sick.

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by blaster4:

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"Give us what we want or we'll kill ourselves!"
Go for it! Jump! Perhaps if Foxconn stopped paying out for suicides, nobody would want to jump! What weird employees they must have. Get a new boss if you don't like Foxconn, FFS!
I hope the new robots won't get militant too!

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That is just plain wrong... How can you blame on the workers? Remember, there are no medical or unemployment protections like we have here, hence cheaper labor. To tell another human being to jump off the building is just plain sick.

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Go for it! Jump! Perhaps if Foxconn stopped paying out for suicides, nobody would want to jump! What weird employees they must have. Get a new boss if you don't like Foxconn, FFS!

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Ummm, Blaster4, before we start arguing, please explain to me what you mean by:

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Go for it! Jump! Perhaps if Foxconn stopped paying out for suicides, nobody would want to jump! What weird employees they must have. Get a new boss if you don't like Foxconn, FFS!

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I'm not sure what you're trying to paint there. Are the workers at Foxconn you're trying to criticize or Foxconn you're trying to criticize?

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Ok Blaster4... So you're basically mad at China then :P "cheap textile imports" that's the problem right there (happening in the US right now). It drives job away domestically, why buy expensive stuff made locally when you can import them for a fraction of the cost?

As for "they are getting some of what they gave to us" comment, I'm not seeing it. Foxconn and its worker issue is not some "cheap import" problem, China is not importing cheap chips, am I missing something here?

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Originally posted by blaster4:

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Ok Blaster4... So you're basically mad at China then :P "cheap textile imports" that's the problem right there (happening in the US right now). It drives job away domestically, why buy expensive stuff made locally when you can import them for a fraction of the cost?

As for "they are getting some of what they gave to us" comment, I'm not seeing it. Foxconn and its worker issue is not some "cheap import" problem, China is not importing cheap chips, am I missing something here?

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Last word from me, Kevin. China (and other countries) stuck it to us, left us unemployed or working for peanuts. Nobody in the world cared about us. Now that employees of Foxconn are having problems like we had (work for peanuts or be jobless) how do you expect me to react? Feel sorry for them? I don't remember words of sorrow from you or anybody else. I don't remember words of sorrow coming from Chinese workers or their bosses when they were making us jobless. But we didn't decide to threaten suicide if we didn't get things our way. I'm guessing that you are of Chinese origin, thus your tenacity on this subject. I'm sorry, I just can't give a sh!t about Foxconn or any labour problems in China when they are busy trying to put the rest of the world out of business.

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Originally posted by LordRuss:

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Take into consideration, who wit was that sent your job to the Foxconn (or wherever)? Be bitter, but don't hate the guy doing your job over there because he doesn't know you personally.

Your company strangled you out of your job & your livelihood. They are the ones that robbed you & put it in a foreign market. That guy just lined up with a bunch of other starving people & took his shot just like everybody else.

Now that very same company is doing the very same damned thing to that guy that they did to you, all those years ago.

Keep your humanity for shits sake man... Despite what the idiotic US government says about corporations being 'people'; they aren't! Don't become the same cold, lifeless, dead, machine. Look at the people, not the damned company. Screw the company!

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by blaster4:

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Ok Blaster4... So you're basically mad at China then :P "cheap textile imports" that's the problem right there (happening in the US right now). It drives job away domestically, why buy expensive stuff made locally when you can import them for a fraction of the cost?

As for "they are getting some of what they gave to us" comment, I'm not seeing it. Foxconn and its worker issue is not some "cheap import" problem, China is not importing cheap chips, am I missing something here?

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Last word from me, Kevin. China (and other countries) stuck it to us, left us unemployed or working for peanuts. Nobody in the world cared about us. Now that employees of Foxconn are having problems like we had (work for peanuts or be jobless) how do you expect me to react? Feel sorry for them? I don't remember words of sorrow from you or anybody else. I don't remember words of sorrow coming from Chinese workers or their bosses when they were making us jobless. But we didn't decide to threaten suicide if we didn't get things our way. I'm guessing that you are of Chinese origin, thus your tenacity on this subject. I'm sorry, I just can't give a sh!t about Foxconn or any labour problems in China when they are busy trying to put the rest of the world out of business.

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Okay okay, clam down, I'm not asking you to show compassion to Foxconn nor the people killing themselves for being screwed by Foxconn managements. I feel for you okay? I mean, I have friends getting layoff and stuff, so as a human being, I do feel the mental stresses and heartaches for being squeezed out. I really do... But then again, this is the real world, who's really responsible for the cheap labors huh? While everyone enjoys inexpensive products, nobody questions what happens if you relies too much on imports and not buying locally? I find that hard to believe, the word is hypocrite :P

I'm from NYC and we (Americans) are feeling the squeeze too. But again, we are to blame, we're enjoying materialism base on other people's blood and sweat.

Look, life is never fair, you can hold the grudge all you want, but it's all history... Don't you get me started on the Opium War :-) I'm not proud of what the Chinese do for a living, but I can't deny that they work hard. Remember, at one point China was carved up by the superpowers, they were powerless...

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Originally posted by kfir1:

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SCREW the chinese workers. There are too many of them. Let them jump and die!!. Less chinese walking the streets. LMAO.

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Originally posted by blaster4:

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The one thing that's wrong with what you say is that the bosses, the mill owners went down the tubes too, along with the workers. They couldn't sell their businesses because nobody would buy a company that was defunct and in many cases they lost everything too. The retail market was flooded with cheap imported cotton goods and nobody wanted our quality textiles any more. I understand your "Up with the workers, down with the bosses" stance and when I was younger I would have agreed with you. However I'm much older now and see things from a more realistic perspective. The fact that it is China is really immaterial. If the company was in the UK, I'd still feel the same. Bottom line: If you put me out of a job, don't expect me to start crying when it all blows up in your face later!

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Originally posted by blaster4:

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The one thing that's wrong with what you say is that the bosses, the mill owners went down the tubes too, along with the workers. They couldn't sell their businesses because nobody would buy a company that was defunct and in many cases they lost everything too. The retail market was flooded with cheap imported cotton goods and nobody wanted our quality textiles any more. I understand your "Up with the workers, down with the bosses" stance and when I was younger I would have agreed with you. However I'm much older now and see things from a more realistic perspective.

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by kfir1:

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SCREW the chinese workers. There are too many of them. Let them jump and die!!. Less chinese walking the streets. LMAO.

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No offense, but if they die, who's going to assemble your cheap gadgets huh? The last part is not necessary, seriously (I have no problem with what you said)... It reminded me of peeing on dead bodies, what good does it do really?

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Originally posted by kfir1:

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Well maybe those jobs deserves to be back here in the US of A or contract it to other deserving countries in Asia that will not stab us in the back. There's the Philippines where we have a long standing relationship and used to be a US commonwealth. We are feeding china with our own money to prop their military. Remember, china is the true enemy not Russia.

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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There's no such thing as friends with benefits, it's all about everybody is screwing around and ultimately paying the price for it. People never complain about the good times when they were being blown by some poorer souls less fortunate than them, but they cry fouls when it's their time to get ass raped.

Listen to yourself, what the hell is commonwealth? Is there such thing as common wealth?

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by kfir1:

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Well maybe those jobs deserves to be back here in the US of A or contract it to other deserving countries in Asia that will not stab us in the back. There's the Philippines where we have a long standing relationship and used to be a US commonwealth. We are feeding china with our own money to prop their military. Remember, china is the true enemy not Russia.

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Why is that everyone love to talk the talk? Honestly, I prefer people buy locally and depend less on Chinese imports, BUT no! Everybody is enjoying cheap prices from Wal-marts and such. So, don't tell me who is enemy is when you're sleeping with one for such long time. I have problems with hypocrites, just look at the shear amount of Apple products people consumed over the years. How the hell is that people admiring the "affordable" luxury goods while hating the cheap labors that made them?

There's no such thing as friends with benefits, it's all about everybody is screwing around and ultimately paying the price for it. People never complain about the good times when they were being blown by some poorer souls less fortunate than them, but they cry fouls when it's their time to get ass raped.

Listen to yourself, what the hell is commonwealth? Is there such thing as common wealth?

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