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ABC shows off harsh working conditions at Foxconn
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article published on 22 February, 2012
Last night, ABC had a Nightline special which reported on the working conditions in the Foxconn plants at Shenzhen and Chengdu.
Each supply plant makes Apple products like the iPad and iPhone. The special, which was only 17 minutes long, confirmed what many already believed; that workers are extremely overworked and underpaid.
Mashable has collected a great amount of facts from the ... [ read the full article ]
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22. February 2012 @ 19:59 |
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Wow, after reading about this article I feel more confident in Apple products and can't wait to get my iPad 3 now that I know little kids are making my product.
... sarcasm just for those think I would get an iPad. I rather get an iPhone 5...haha
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22. February 2012 @ 20:07 |
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Living and working in China is not the same as the US. The conditions shown, do not look inhumane. There are cultural differences which dictate work conditions over the desire of the employee or Foxconn. Working at a Foxconn factory is like working on a ship. Have you ever bunked on a ship, in the Navy? Their wages are far above the standard for China and other Asian nations. It was calculated Foxconn workers earn $480 per month, after room and board. Since they don't need cars and electricity, we are to believe this $480 is free and clear disposable income. Therefore, they may actually have more disposable income than minimum wage workers living in the US, who have to pay rent in the hundreds per month, buy and drive cars long distances to work, etc.
Complaining about the worker's plight in China is an unnecessary attack on Apple, when all companies in the US and Europe use the same workers in the same or worse working conditions. Why not complain about working conditions in Mexico or Africa? Oh, I know, because no one cares and Apple's name isn't attached to it.
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22. February 2012 @ 20:45 |
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How many matelots take a header overboard in an average month?
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22. February 2012 @ 21:34 |
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AAA! Chinese spam on a forum about harsh working conditions in China; IT BURNS!
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22. February 2012 @ 21:40 |
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23. February 2012 @ 01:20 |
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Originally posted by dcmorrow:
Living and working in China is not the same as the US. The conditions shown, do not look inhumane. There are cultural differences which dictate work conditions over the desire of the employee or Foxconn. Working at a Foxconn factory is like working on a ship. Have you ever bunked on a ship, in the Navy? Their wages are far above the standard for China and other Asian nations. It was calculated Foxconn workers earn $480 per month, after room and board. Since they don't need cars and electricity, we are to believe this $480 is free and clear disposable income. Therefore, they may actually have more disposable income than minimum wage workers living in the US, who have to pay rent in the hundreds per month, buy and drive cars long distances to work, etc.
Complaining about the worker's plight in China is an unnecessary attack on Apple, when all companies in the US and Europe use the same workers in the same or worse working conditions. Why not complain about working conditions in Mexico or Africa? Oh, I know, because no one cares and Apple's name isn't attached to it.
wow i never tought of it that way but you make a good point. is used to be poor in my early 20's and had about 200 a month disposable income it sucked.
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23. February 2012 @ 02:24 |
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Did Diane Sawyer hide her ipad during this segment or did I miss it. She usually has it on stand in front of her.
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23. February 2012 @ 03:19 |
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You can work this out.
$1.78*6= 128.16 per 6 day week as they probably don't do a 5 day week.
128.16-17= 111.16 for the months rent.
111.16-8.4= 102.56 to pay for food.
Leaves 102.56 to spend after a weeks pay.
but with only having 1 day to mess around it'd be hard to spend it.
Though I'd question the $1.78 yaun as that'd be a really high pay for china.
You'd be a foreman or forewoman for that sort of money, as a general worker you'd be on a far less amount say 0.80 cents yaun per day.
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23. February 2012 @ 12:33 |
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Sad as it is, people are busting their asses to get in there to work. When I was working in the entertainment industry I would easily pull 16 hour days for weeks at a time, 7 days a week. Sure, the work was feast & famine, but doing extra work was still basically minimum wage. Glamorous, right?
I still have pay stubs proving the 125 hour work weeks I put in at a few other places too. Could I have simply walked off? Sure... & never be asked to work there again. Let's not even start on the fact about no health care or retirement benefits or other luxuries despite the dedication in your respective craft either.
Despite the cultural divide... we all have this incurable habit of 'eating'. When someone dangles a carrot in front of us we'll jump at the opportunity. Obviously, in this case, the younger people didn't do the math prior to making the commitment.
Oh, Xtago your math is all over the place, wrong and YUAN is NOT US Dollars. Use the exchange rate. $1 is about 6.29781 YUAN. So the math should reflect that. So should your comments, as stating both yuan/dollars at the same time is confusing as well as incorrect. It should read:
$1.78 x 12= $10.68
$10.68 x 6 = $64.08
$64.08 x 4 = $256.32 approximate monthly income
$256.32 - $17 = $239.32 ($17 is a fixed rate for their dorm rate.)
And then it's .70 cents per meal, which if they take both in a 12 hour day would be $1.40 per day. So, for the sake of argument, we'll say 24 work days in the month...
24 x $1.40 = $33.60
$239.32 - $33.60 = A grand total of a shitty $205.72 which converts to 1296.40 Yuan (rounded up).
For a 'month'? Yeah, it's probably right. You still can't afford to change your mind with that amount of money.
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23. February 2012 @ 17:31 |
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The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
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24. February 2012 @ 07:21 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
Wow, so having a giant pool of slave labor is the mark of good capitalism? Anyone defending Apple, or any other big U.S. corporation over these types of practices needs to have their head examined. Your one of the I/me generation. As long as your needs get fulfilled, everything's o.k. Maybe you need to start watching less FOX news, and stop looking at the tube and nodding while doing it. It always amazes me when someone brings up the republican/democrat thing. They both serve the same elite groups, and nothing will ever change if we only have a choice between those two.
Originally posted by dcmorrow:
Complaining about the worker's plight in China is an unnecessary attack on Apple, when all companies in the US and Europe use the same workers in the same or worse working conditions. Why not complain about working conditions in Mexico or Africa? Oh, I know, because no one cares and Apple's name isn't attached to it.
So if all big corporations are doing it, that makes it alright? You obviously have the math all figured out, if it's such a great deal why don't you or your kids go work in those dorms in China? Oh yeah, then you wouldn't be able to afford Apple products.
I'll give you the point that they singled out apple on this one, but it doesn't make it right, and it won't last. What your forgetting is that while the corporations are making money hand over fist, its eroding the economy here.
With all the people defending apple on this one I'm probably wrong. Maybe the new American dream will be to live on a corporate "campus" and work 16 hours a day, while providing cheap products to another country.
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24. February 2012 @ 08:56 |
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Wow, so having a giant pool of slave labor is the mark of good capitalism?
Incorrect.
Originally posted by llongtheD:
Your one of the I/me generation.
Incorrect.
Originally posted by llongtheD:
As long as your needs get fulfilled, everything's o.k.
Incorrect.
Originally posted by llongtheD:
They both serve the same elite groups, and nothing will ever change if we only have a choice between those two.
Correct. Both parties serve the socialist media because voters are trained in socialism by the universities. The only (unattainable) solution is to eliminate socialism.
Originally posted by llongtheD:
So if all big corporations are doing it, that makes it alright?
Incorrect; he did not say that.
Originally posted by llongtheD:
You obviously have the math all figured out,
if it's such a great deal why don't you or your kids go work in those dorms in China? Oh yeah, then you wouldn't be able to afford Apple products.
Incorrect; he does not, nor do you nor I. Also, the approval process to emigrate to China, to live and work, is designed to make it nearly impossible.
You are a socialist, incapable of unlearning that capitalism is bad. It is logical that no quantity of evidence could ever convince you that capitalism creates prosperity and freedom, so I will leave it go at that. However, may I respectfully suggest that you read The Law by Frederic Bastiat. It is a free download from Mises dot org.
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24. February 2012 @ 09:47 |
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That's quite a tub of Kool-Aid you've drank.
"Both parties serve the socialist media because voters are trained in socialism by the universities. The only (unattainable) solution is to eliminate socialism."
Capitalism is an economic theory...not a theory based on governing people. It will never be. The problem with theory is that it doesn't always line up with reality...so you have to adjust.
There are many benefits realized for society from Capitalism, but there will be holes where you actually have to bite the bullet and accept the reality that realizing profits doesn't always match up with society's greater good. Capitalism is neither good or bad...it just is. Same with other forms of economic theory. All can be used negatively or positively for society.
Your comment about universities is really ridiculous. Yes...I have seen the liberal bent of universities, but the long term effect on whether you will be a liberal or a conservative because you went to a university is very negligible. We seem to have no shortage of college educated conservatives in this world. Your alternative would be for all of us to quit going to college?
That would be great for me, as I've never gone to more than a couple of semesters of college (and make a more than decent wage in an engineering type position competing with people who have at least their four year electrical engineering degrees...and incidentally, I can't think of a single one of them I'd consider liberal).
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24. February 2012 @ 09:59 |
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Good come back Blessedon as llongtheD doesn't seem to see reality here.
These workers in China are making a killing building Apple products in their economy, I sure don't see a problem here and so typical of our liberal media to totally misrepresent the situation as it truly is.
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24. February 2012 @ 10:31 |
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So how much flak will Amazon get when the new Kindle Fire is built by Foxconn?
I wanna devise a virus and bring dire straights to your environments. Crush your corporations with a mild touch, trash the whole computer systems and revert you to papyrus - Deltron 3030
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24. February 2012 @ 10:52 |
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Very professionally put, Iguana, howeverOriginally posted by IguanaC64:
Yes...I have seen the liberal bent of universities, but the long term effect on whether you will be a liberal or a conservative because you went to a [liberal] university is very negligible.
LOL, my friend; that is as likely as attending an Al Qaeda training camp and graduating with Christian beliefs!
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24. February 2012 @ 11:57 |
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in a way its ok casue if the people of china had no job they'd have no money and no food.
in another way its a rip off they live in a room with 7 other people and work there butts off for $1.78 an hour.think mcdonalds pays more than that here, in fact think unemployment benefits pay more than that here.
the other problem it has is on the economy and the jobs.one day in the future no one will be able to get work cause everything will be made in china for $1 or $2 an hour and shipped over seas and no one outside of china will have jobs.
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24. February 2012 @ 12:19 |
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The only one out of herd that made any sense was kalssic when he asked if Amazon was going to catch hell for their manufacturing processes moving to Foxconn next.
What is the matter with you guys!?! It sounds like another community college, politico 101, rabble fest again... Human emotion (greed) drove US derived jobs that eventually became unionized & deemed unfit to pay anymore overseas into Asia. Sectors of inner China bid on the project. The lowest bidder then erected the Foxconn plant & is now continuing to operate with the same business model as the US based concept of capitalism in its home country of communism; despite the contradiction.
I haven't seen the story, but I'm sure it runs the same chance of lopsidedness as any other, but I refuse to believe it's as dangerously bios as you guys are letting on. I.e., it's not the conspiratory slop you get from the doom assholes on Youtube armed with a Tivo, goat, KY & a half baked idea. despite the fact that the major 3 are under the thumb of the FCC, you can't "force" anyone to say what you want them to say. That's what superpac money & those dumbass "documentaries" are for.
My point is, these folks are somewhere on a middle ground where 1st world nations are. Work or walk. It's all wrapped up in legalese & there isn't a thing they can do to argue their point. Walmart does it to their employees right here in the good ol' US of f*ing A, but that story has faded away. Why? Because it's a 1st world problem & they know how to f*k the system now.
Skin tone has little to do with it. Now geography has little to do with it. And you're a pathetic fool if you think politics has even the slightest little thing to do with it. Oh, it's involved. Like kids are involved in pedophilia, just not as an innocent victim. It's greed people. Stay on target.
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24. February 2012 @ 12:30 |
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
in a way its ok casue if the people of china had no job they'd have no money and no food.
in another way its a rip off they live in a room with 7 other people and work there butts off for $1.78 an hour.think mcdonalds pays more than that here, in fact think unemployment benefits pay more than that here.
the other problem it has is on the economy and the jobs.one day in the future no one will be able to get work cause everything will be made in china for $1 or $2 an hour and shipped over seas and no one outside of china will have jobs.
McDonald's doesn't pay more there! And that's realistic or the prospective one should use. I've been in a house over there that was about 14'x14' made of thin wood, cardboard, and whatever they can find and they had 12 people in it unlike the luxury rooms they are getting working for Foxconn. When you look at how far the money goes there they are doing very well and the workers would tell you that too.
As to our debacle here, Russ is right but that is another issue having nothing to do with ABC the poor workers in China....
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24. February 2012 @ 12:47 |
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Human emotion (greed) drove US derived jobs that eventually became unionized & deemed unfit to pay anymore overseas into Asia.
Have to agree with you on most of what you said,
however, one factual correction please;
Modern (as opposed to practical, time-tested Journeyman or Apprentice) American unions formed during the latter part of the Civil War Reconstruction era, purely as a protectionist measure to keep the flood of cheap, skilled - suddenly free and unemployed - black labor from taking white jobs. Literally, what later became the AF of L, and the CIO were specifically intended to keep blacks out of work.
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24. February 2012 @ 13:31 |
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Honestly, this heartbreak over Foxconn made me want to make meme called "Liberal problems" (similar to the "first world problems" meme) after hearing some guy on NPR complain about his mixed emotions over loving his iPad and the working conditions at Foxconn. If you're going to get upset about it, quit buying electronics period. They're all made in the same areas in the same type (or worse) facilities.
If we want conditions for Chinese workers to improve, then Capitalism really is the best answer in this case. A rising middle class due to economic prosperity will demand better conditions/better wages or move to companies with better environments.
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24. February 2012 @ 13:53 |
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Blessed is right & I stand partially corrected; it is the mutated version of capitalism that greed has molded that's got us here. If we 'journeyed' into our positions (i.e., earned our right) to be where we are then I don't think we would have as many problems. There really is FAR too much entitlement going on. Which I will say, is a hard statement to make, being a disabled veteran.
Technology isn't the new devil, so damning it isn't the answer either. Blame ourselves, look in the mirror, straighten our shoulders, look at the damage & fix it. Don't bullshit ourselves & say, "it's not so bad" or "It's not as bad as it looks". I'll refer you all back to my high polished turd analogy.
Hard, cold, nut biting solutions, that are a bit bitter to swallow are needed to fix the problems. Whining, hugging & slobbering are for when the war is over, not as the enemy is upon you. Don't tell it can't be done, because I've been in enough natural & man made disasters to see that the human spirit can be FORCED to endure literally ANYTHING, so putting you mind to changing a brand of toilet tissue is fluff. Complaining about it should have you beaten to say the least.
Americans have done it in the past & can most assuredly do it again. I'm just tired that it literally has to be a chunk of a loved one's ass near death for some action to be made.
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24. February 2012 @ 18:04 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
The Mainstream Media here in the US is clearly Conservative. FOX NEWS is just an example of Extreme right wing conservatism.
Clearly you sound like one of the teabaggers....
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Originally posted by ivymike:
The Mainstream Media here in the US is clearly Conservative. FOX NEWS is just an example of Extreme right wing conservatism.
Clearly you sound like one of the teabaggers....
LMAO!!!!
I expected a paid trolling shill to show up eventually; as evidenced by your use of the derogatory term rather than the proper one.
And no; while I am not a Tea Party member...yet, I do share their view of limited government, unlike yourself. But then, you are paid to show up in places like this so...who knows what you really think, or eve if you do.
For more on your version of "conservatism", please refer to Obama's latest budget; Page 58 of the 500 page appendix, chart 5-1.
He had said in 2009 that if he could not cut the deficit in half within 3 years - "...then I deserve to be a one-term president"!
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Originally posted by ivymike:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
The Mainstream Media here in the US is clearly Conservative. FOX NEWS is just an example of Extreme right wing conservatism.
Clearly you sound like one of the teabaggers....
What rock did you crawl from beneath? WOW
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