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The NSA is intercepting 1.7 billion American electronic communications, daily
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article published on 24 May, 2012
The American Civil Liberties Union has created an infographic for mass distribution that shows some scary figures related to the U.S. National Security Agency.
Since 9/11, the Agency has been able to "spy" on electronic communications without the need for court-approved warrants. The group has a large complex in Utah that cost $2 billion and holds the data.
You can learn more at FixFISA
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ivymike
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24. May 2012 @ 22:32 |
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Freedom, What freedom?????
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Clam_Up
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24. May 2012 @ 23:43 |
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Wow... freedom is going away fast. And we all let it happen.
I'm sitting here watching a cop show while reading this article. I was just thinking, what if I got a phone call, and something was said in the dialog on this cop show while I was talking to somebody that set off alarms in Utah. My whole life could be turned inside out because of something said in a television show while I was on the friggin' phone.
Canada is looking better every day.
When laws allow unlimited ownership of ideas, it is to a society as iron fusion is to the core of a star.
When verified realities lead us to anger, we must learn to reevaluate our beliefs.
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ddp
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24. May 2012 @ 23:51 |
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don't count on it & i'm canadian.
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25. May 2012 @ 02:05 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
don't count on it & i'm canadian.
Lol I love how Americans threaten to leave for Canada. Almost every Canadian I know pretty much has the same attitude.
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25. May 2012 @ 07:46 |
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REVOLUTION!!!!!. I think we need to ..Hold on someones at the door.........................
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25. May 2012 @ 07:54 |
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Someone said "We have met the enemy........and it is us" How true, and how sad. The U.S. is not the same country I grew up in. I suppose the NSA will put this comment in my dossier.
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plazma247
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25. May 2012 @ 07:58 |
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HeHe they have been doing this in the uk for some time, ive a friend who used to work for the IT contractor that maintained the system for the government a few years back when it was monitoring all phone calls.
For fun we use to try and then trigger the system using as many relevant keywords as we could and then proceeded to have hour long random phone calls, that way once it got flagged some poor operator had to sit there for an hour to vet the call and listen to us drivel on about random rants about cars and life :-p
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rudeann
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25. May 2012 @ 08:16 |
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Originally posted by plazma247:
HeHe they have been doing this in the uk for some time, ive a friend who used to work for the IT contractor that maintained the system for the government a few years back when it was monitoring all phone calls.
For fun we use to try and then trigger the system using as many relevant keywords as we could and then proceeded to have hour long random phone calls, that way once it got flagged some poor operator had to sit there for an hour to vet the call and listen to us drivel on about random rants about cars and life :-p
What are the relevant keywords?
Are they all 'obvious' triggers or are some of them demure?
(Don't want to get hassled for stupid nicknames)
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bac1227
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25. May 2012 @ 08:35 |
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NSA Gestapo whats the difference?
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plazma247
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25. May 2012 @ 08:42 |
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Zig Hile :-p
@rudeann
Your going to have to use your imagination on that one, most of them are constantly changing.
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Mysttic
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25. May 2012 @ 09:07 |
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Originally posted by Clam_Up:
Wow... freedom is going away fast. And we all let it happen.
I'm sitting here watching a cop show while reading this article. I was just thinking, what if I got a phone call, and something was said in the dialog on this cop show while I was talking to somebody that set off alarms in Utah. My whole life could be turned inside out because of something said in a television show while I was on the friggin' phone.
Canada is looking better every day.
Don't think that, it's going to get just as bad here, if Bill C-30 passes through the committee in the next little while. Should that bill come to pass on us, normal city police will have the exact same authority as the NSA to keep tapping anything that submits data in any form, including but not limited to : Internet either hard line, wi-fi, cellular etc, telephone communications, radio waves, etc...
For now it's peachy here, we have a lot of people fighting that bill, the issue is our parliament has a majority government that wants this bill passed.
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25. May 2012 @ 09:21 |
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Patriot Act, all expense paid trips to Guantanamo Bay all under the auspices of Homeland Security, & now this? Sounds like that great 'machine' from "Person of Interest" really exists...
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kabledog
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25. May 2012 @ 09:49 |
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And the masses walk around and believe they live in a free and democratic country, where the Gov't allows them to enjoy all the rights and privileges afforded to a free country. We are but pawns in a very manipulative game of lives.
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25. May 2012 @ 10:50 |
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And free hookers that are extremely nice looking, were can I signup?
They control the information, which is power, and thus brainwash us as they wish. If the gov says something is true everyone jumps on-board and doesn't even question it, you got to love it. Go GREEN...
I don't want to move to Canada they have plenty of problems too. But I sure do enjoy going fishing up there!
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Mysttic
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25. May 2012 @ 11:16 |
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Originally posted by kabledog:
And the masses walk around and believe they live in a free and democratic country, where the Gov't allows them to enjoy all the rights and privileges afforded to a free country. We are but pawns in a very manipulative game of lives.
That is because the masses don't know how to read the news, and those that watch it, well how often do you see this stuff aired on TV?
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djkorn
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25. May 2012 @ 11:34 |
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Im going to catch some crap from people on both sides for this one i think.
My grandfather served in WWII as a fighter pilot. He served this country to give us all the freedom to say whatever the hell we wanted, when we wanted and how we wanted. Vetrans and soldiers have died for many years to give us the ability to have the freedom to say what we wanted to say, when we wanted to say it and how we wanted to say it. What needs to happen is the people in power, in the house senate and the white house, need to be drug out in the middle of the road and stoned publicly. This country is going to hell in a handbasket so fast the devil wont know how to handle the new arrivals. The fact of the matter is that we are allowing the house reps and senate and the white house to do this to us because we arent rising up and making our voices heard. We all know what happened some 300 years ago when England was shoving it up our ass, we revolted, kicked some ass and embarked on a new journey. We didnt apologize for being us, we took what we wanted and said fuck it to the rest of them.
We the people, need to stand up and take back our country. Learn a lesson from history and the people who were oppressed for so long that they finally stood up and did something about it. Overthrow the people in power and elect new ones, do away with the useless bills that make us more of a police country, and lets get back to what is truly important.
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25. May 2012 @ 12:13 |
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Stoning maybe not but otherwise I would agree with most of what you said.
Here are some famous quotes from BF that hold true;
Benjamin Franklin:
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Benjamin Franklin:
On every unauthoritative exercise of power by the legislature, must the people rise in rebellion or their silence be construed into a surrender of that power to them? If so, how many rebellions should we have had already?
Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann:
Nothing scares members of Congress more than angry freedom-loving Americans.
Benjamin Franklin:
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.
Benjamin Franklin:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.
Benjamin Franklin:
Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
Benjamin Franklin:
There is no kind of dishonesty into which otherwise good people mroe easily and more frequently fall than that of defrauding the government.
Benjamin Franklin:
It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.
Benjamin Franklin:
I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
Benjamin Franklin:
I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such: because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well-administred; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administred for a Course of Years and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.
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LiveChaos
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25. May 2012 @ 12:29 |
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
Originally posted by kabledog:
And the masses walk around and believe they live in a free and democratic country, where the Gov't allows them to enjoy all the rights and privileges afforded to a free country. We are but pawns in a very manipulative game of lives.
That is because the masses don't know how to read the news, and those that watch it, well how often do you see this stuff aired on TV?
The only problem is: The media will never be unbiased. Every story writer has an agenda/personal opinion. Add to that they are being paid to stir people up and use some pretty sneaky methods to manipulate people or influence them. Especially when it involves politics. Then even in the unlikely event that they do write an unbiased article, it still has to clear the editorial staff who are free to alter it.
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25. May 2012 @ 12:35 |
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Our corruption in Government pretty much controls the media so we hear what they want us to hear, at least most of the time.
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dodger5
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25. May 2012 @ 19:39 |
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Originally posted by djkorn:
Im going to catch some crap from people on both sides for this one i think.
My grandfather served in WWII as a fighter pilot. He served this country to give us all the freedom to say whatever the hell we wanted, when we wanted and how we wanted. Vetrans and soldiers have died for many years to give us the ability to have the freedom to say what we wanted to say, when we wanted to say it and how we wanted to say it. What needs to happen is the people in power, in the house senate and the white house, need to be drug out in the middle of the road and stoned publicly. This country is going to hell in a handbasket so fast the devil wont know how to handle the new arrivals. The fact of the matter is that we are allowing the house reps and senate and the white house to do this to us because we arent rising up and making our voices heard. We all know what happened some 300 years ago when England was shoving it up our ass, we revolted, kicked some ass and embarked on a new journey. We didnt apologize for being us, we took what we wanted and said fuck it to the rest of them.
We the people, need to stand up and take back our country. Learn a lesson from history and the people who were oppressed for so long that they finally stood up and did something about it. Overthrow the people in power and elect new ones, do away with the useless bills that make us more of a police country, and lets get back to what is truly important.
This would require sacrifice that no-one wishes to make, we are still fat, dumb, and happy here in America
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Blessedon
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25. May 2012 @ 19:43 |
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I read this article and the link, the ACLU v. DOJ request, and, combined with searches for innocent people convicted based upon the Patriot Act...
...I am sure it is my ignorance but, I can't figure out what the NSA has done wrong.
Don't misunderstand: I am not in favor at all of warrantless wiretapping, but neither do I agree entirely with the ACLU demands; other than a need for - not more, but - absolute transparency.
The reasonable need for surveillance in a country that is under the ongoing threat of terrorist attacks, must never usurp the citizens' right to access the gathered information upon request. And therein lies the rampant abuse of our rights. Rights that are defined not by our governments, but rather by our Creator.
Abuses such as those by IRS Commissioner Shulman; releasing tax records of Romney donors - for which he will be prosecuted - are but a harbinger of the potential totalitarianism from a corrupt administration's political use of NSA files - without absolute transparency.
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graystroke
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25. May 2012 @ 20:39 |
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why the feigned outrage????
Most of Google's board of Directors come from TIA (Total Information Awareness) or DARPA so they are in bed with most all agencies and that is why I despise having to use any Android product.
However we are all being herded down the path of no privacy because most users of these products are young kids that have NO IDEA about freedoms all they care about is playing angry birds and face book sheesh disgusting..... I'm on a BB but their phones and PlayBook are marginal at best. If BB10 flops then I', stuck cause most all dumb phone will be gone....say bye-bye to privacy....
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graystroke
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25. May 2012 @ 20:54 |
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molsen
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26. May 2012 @ 10:46 |
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In the interest of "feeling safe" American politicians allowed this to become the norm. What we have are a bureaucratic division more powerful than the founding fathers intended. NSA reminds me a souped up version of McCarthy inquiry of the 50s, paranoid government people.
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