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Drive region setting and Decrypter
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ricsalt
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31. July 2004 @ 18:02 |
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I'm stumped for now-
I did a successful burn onto a Dvd-RW disk from a region 4 dvd using decrypter first time around. I had set my Dvd-Rom drive region info to match the dvd.
I then decided that since this was so easy, I'd "do it for real" and burn a dvd-r disc. Before doing so, I re-set my region info for the Dvd-Rom drive from 4 to 1. I thought that Decrypter would decrypt the dvd regardless of the region setting.
I immediately got an error message " Failed to reserve track !" in the Decrypter log. I have solved this problem. I'm using a Sony Dvd rewritable drive and on their webpage they mention dvd-r, 2x discs produced a few years back (up to 2002) don't work in this drive.
Ok- I breath a sigh of relief and buy some new dvd-r, 4x which this drive supports. I again use Decrypter to decrypt the region 4 dvd. I deleted the original ISO file which had worked sucessfully. Grrr
I do a burn using the new dvd-r and it burned for about 20 minutes and then the sony drive door opens to eject the disk. I see in the Decrypter log that the burn was sucessful. This burn is my first coaster-nada...nothing-it doesn't play.
Here is my question-observation-opinion :
After my first sucessful burn, I switched the region setting of my dvd-rom drive from 4 to 1. I did this because I thought Decrypter decrypts regardless of the region. I also reasoned that since you can only change regions 5 times, very soon I would have to leave the region as is. I think that because I put the region 4 dvd into a drive set for region 1 and then used Decrypter to create an ISO file- the file was bad information-thus the coaster.
Any opinions appreciated.
By the way, if I'm right, how can you by-pass the region setting on the drive? I mean you need to put the dvd in the drive to play it right? Decrypter reads the drive info right ?
Richard
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brobear
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31. July 2004 @ 18:54 |
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Leave the Region setting of the drive set to the region in which you get most of your DVDs. If you're in region 1, leave the drive set to region 1. The setting isn't meant to be played with at every odd disc you get. You use the software to manipulate the region code info, not the hardware. There are guides all over the place. If you can't find a good guide here at AD, try Doom9, MrBass, or DVDShrink.info.
Had you made the decrypted file region free, even changing region settings on the drive would have made no difference. In effect, what you did was create a region 4 file that wouldn't work on a region 1 drive. As I said, leave the hardware alone and use the software for changing the file's region settings. When in doubt, make your files region free.
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ScubaPete
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31. July 2004 @ 19:14 |
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brobear
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31. July 2004 @ 19:30 |
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Pete is correct, DVD Shrink will handle region setting information as well. I addressed DVD Decrypter because that was the question. When dealing with matters of Region setting and deCSS there are many options. One can even use a program like Region Free, which is a driver type decrypter. It's sort of pick your own flavor.
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ricsalt
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31. July 2004 @ 21:17 |
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Thanks to Brobear and Scuba Pete for the lifeline.
Sounds like good news, but I haven't a clue as to how this is done ie; "Had you made the decrypted file region free"- I have both the Decrypter and Shrink guides. I'll take another look. I downloaded VLC so at least I can play various region codes without problem.
Thanks
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brobear
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31. July 2004 @ 22:13 |
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Here is the location of a good DVD Decrypter guide to help you. This one goes into Region Settings. Some guides overlook it. You will be going to Doom9.org.
http://www.doom9.org/
Click on Guides just to make sure you have the right screen up. Click on ripping on the right. Decrypter is a ripper. Then click on the DVD Decrypter selection. Read the whole guide, but you can skim to the part with Region settings. DVDShrink.info has an easy picture guide but isn't comprehensive enough. It is excellent for getting one going quickly.
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brobear
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31. July 2004 @ 22:18 |
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The guide has the pictures, but here is the text from the Doom9 guide.
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Last but not least we have some region patching tools that can be accessed via Tools - IFO:
Region Information allows you to select any IFO file and display its region.
Region patch allows you to modify the region information of any given IFO file (of course the file must be writeable so you can't change the region of IFO files on a DVD disc).
If you are going to be dealing with a lot of out of region discs, I would advise getting a program like Region Free.
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ricsalt
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1. August 2004 @ 12:04 |
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Thanks again for the help. I went to the site of the complete guide and started reading. One thing that I found which dismays me is and I quote from the guide " if you want to test-burn also check Test Mode. In that mode the burning process is only simulated and no data will be written to the disc". Well Geez-No wonder I made a "coaster". The Decrypter guide that I've been using says "check test mode if you want", as if it doesn't affect anything. Mine was checked automatically when I used a dvd-r (not with dvd-rw) and I didn't think anything of it.
I'm going to have to re-rip the dvd and try burning again with test mode off and see what happens.
Richard
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brobear
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1. August 2004 @ 14:38 |
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Sometimes it boils down to following the right instructions. Good luck and let us know what happens. It might be a good idea to print out the full guide for reference or copy it to file.
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ScubaPete
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1. August 2004 @ 15:58 |
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ROTFLMAO,
Richard, I think you've got it - turning off the "Test Mode" will make a world of difference -
Thanks for the chuckle,
Reminds me of me a while back - those stupid goofs hurt when others find out about them - I've done it enough times to know -
Peace my friend,
Pete
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1. August 2004 @ 18:36 |
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ricsalt
In other words, we all make mistakes. It's part of the learning process.
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ricsalt
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1. August 2004 @ 19:22 |
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Ha, well I guess in retrospect its all rather funny. Yup, my burn worked just fine when I unchecked test. My "coaster" wasn't a coaster afterall.
Actually, getting back to the full-length guide, I'm getting really interested in the two other modes, not that I understood everything. I can think of instances where I might want to delete a particular file, but for now, I'm not focused enough to tell the files apart.
I guess we can end this region code/decrypter thread.
I really want to thank a great bunch of guys on this one.
Richard
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2. August 2004 @ 00:21 |
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ricsalt
Glad to get you pointed in the right direction. I found the other modes with decrypter useful. But first, get comfortable with what you're now doing and progress to the others later.
Shrink is a good learning program and turns out some decent video. Learn to use it and you will be better able to make decisions in purchasing a better program. You can't beat it for freeware and it is better than some retail products. Be sure to get a comprehensive guide, as you did with the Decrypter.
BTW, the guide here at AD and the one at DVDShrink.info are good starter guides. Check Doom9 and/or MrBass and see if they have a more comprehensive one that goes into all the controls and settings.
You said you ripped with Decrypter, I never caught what you were using to burn the ripped files with.
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ricsalt
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3. August 2004 @ 05:27 |
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Hi Brobear,
I'm burning with Nero.
I thought the thread was over but there has been a new development. The dvd-r that I burned from a region 4 disc with a Sony 8.5 gb drive (set to region 1) plays fine on my Dell dvd-rom drive...set to region 1. I tried to play the dvd on a stand alone dvd player and I got an error message "cannot read this disc"
I'm getting exhausted by these twists of fate. Have you any ideas as to why this is happening ?
Richard
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brobear
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3. August 2004 @ 16:55 |
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Some standalone players will not read the DVD R format. Others will read the pizza and ask how you want it sliced. On a serious note. I have a Samsung that plays my recorded discs well. One of my family members has a player that gives the same error as yours. Check the disc on a standalone that you know is capable of reading the R format discs. Some drives even read the RW, which mine won't. It may be time to run out and get one of those new cheapy DVD players that will play the different formats.
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ScubaPete
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3. August 2004 @ 18:04 |
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The dvd-r that I burned from a region 4 disc with a Sony 8.5 gb drive (set to region 1) plays
Let's start running your DVD's through DVD Shrink (region free) then when your fry that baby, it should play on anything because then there would be no region on the disc -
Couldn't hurt to try -
As bear says, it could be your standalone - I would have thought it was your media but in other posts brobear has shown that all media is essentially equal as it is all made by different manufacturers but they all make it the same -
Hope that helps -
Cheers -
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brobear
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3. August 2004 @ 18:51 |
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Once again Pete goes behind me and gets the wrong impression. Seems we have a problem, we both speak English. There are differences in manufacturers of media. The problem arises from the brands buying from multiple sources; some good and some not so good.
The odds are that if you buy Memorex, you get a CMC manufactured disc (low end of the pole). But they did have some Ricoh discs which were good. Then you have the Verbatim (One of Pete's favorites) that have some of the best discs around; made by Mitsubishi, Taiyo Yuden, and Ricoh. However, some of the branded -R Verbatim are produced by CMC, the company that many say is the poor Memorex. Which company will you probably get the best disc with? Probably Verbatim, because TY and MCC make the DataLifePlus and Ricoh makes some of the Datalife (One just has to be careful of the -R format). Memorex has CMC for +R and -R. So it is manufacturer and how the brands buy and distribute. The problem is that Pete doesn't seem to understand that I agree with a lot of what he says. I guess it's the language, English.
Which doesn't appear to have much to do with the problem here. Bad media would be more likely to cause a bad burn or poor reading. You're reading on your PC and there doesn't seem to be a problem. The problem is recognizing what's on the disk on the standalone. In this case I suspect the hardware. But it'll be interesting to see. Won't it Pete?
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Guess you got a little media lesson there. Pete's on a rampage because I pointed out not all branded Verbatim are good. He was under the impression that the same company made Verbatim all the time and that they were always good (video quality grade). Many including Pete, say CMC is best for data and not video.
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ricsalt
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4. August 2004 @ 05:44 |
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Sorry for the delay in my response. I've been having too many late nights studying these issues of late and took a day off.
I read both of your insights which conforms with what I've concluded myself.
I'm going to try DVD Shrink- the media is ok-the burn is ok-
It appears older dvd players are problematic. However Sylvania reads the disc fine. Rca reads it but very poorly. Panasonic doesn't read it at all. The wild card is of course if the "lens" is dirty on a dvd player then you get a false read. These are "public" machines in a library.
It's an interesting problem I hope to learn more about.
Richard
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brobear
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4. August 2004 @ 06:15 |
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One way to see if the standalone is working properly. Just put the original in and see how it plays.
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ScubaPete
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4. August 2004 @ 19:20 |
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He was under the impression that the same company made Verbatim all the time and that they were always good (video quality grade
I have never said that Bear - I do contend that like everything else in the world, companies make different qualities of that product that they produce.
For instance, Radio Shack makes 3 or 4 levels of VHS and DVD players. RCA does the same as does any one of the US or other auto manufacturers. Some are made by them i.e. Dodge makes their Viper BUT their Dodge Colt is made by Mitsubishi. Mitsubishi makes an excellent auto on their own BUT when they produced the Colt, made to Dodge's specifications, it SUCKED in the biggest of ways. I know because I was dumb enough to purchase one. When discs are made to meet Verbatim's specs and are "branded? as "Advanced Metal AZO" and their straight ?branded? Verbatim they are an excellent disc as is the same with Datalife. Ridata could be made by George Washington Jr., but it's made to specs they are given. Quality control may be worse in one company than another and when that happens, they aren?t likely to win those big named contracts because the contracts are given to those who meet certain standards. ?AZO? indicates a certain dye and an application of the same. - Now that Verbatim has released its rights to the name, anyone can make that disc that pays for it. Mitsubishi may well be the manufacture of Verbatim's discs but (yes, again that "But" word) it was made to standards given them by Verbatim. "Google" "Advanced Metal AZO" and you'll be taken to Verbatim's site. (Sorry I'm wandering again) AZO is currently being "touted" by a whole mess of manufacturers. Although the AZO dye is being used, and the appliacation standards are being met, the product, meaning the composite disc that it's applied too varies in quality. Not all discs are created equal. Those of inferior material do, in fact, chip at the edges and don't allow the dye to adhere as well as better quality disc. I've always said that one could "Feel the difference." Hold a ?Great AZO? disc, made by 8 different companies, in 10 different plants, remember I said that different contracts are up for bid for the different products, some plants make the 25-cake box, and others make the bulk ? Well all these companies, all unknown by the way, manufacture ?Great AZO? (as we discussed, a pretty good dye and application process, especially when made for Verbatim) and trust me on this, these discs are nothing at all when compared with the "Metal AZO" made by Verbatim. I've compared the 2 and you can literally "Feel" the difference. Same dye and application, it has to be to meet the specs, but an entirely different composite disc.
There are companies like Ricoh that make excellent media but they also make some crap to specs for companies that order it. From lighting fixtures to paints, from cars to mink coats and from MP3 players to PC's (I love the latest, $499.99 for the PC, monitor and printer from Dell) there is a difference to what a company makes. High end to crap, the name stays the same, the manufacturer may even change, but things are made to specs.
Sears and Wal-Mart are 2 fantastic examples, I should have thought of them before ? They have made their reputation of ordering things made to their specs in extremely large quantities. When the plant they are ordering them from invests in the equipment to fill the order, the next order is withheld until the unit costs drop so, that a much higher profit margin is realized for the store OR the manufacturer goes ?belly-up.? Yes, guess who buys the bankrupt company at a rock-bottom dollar.
Everything is about specs and specialization ? it?s what makes the world go around.
The weekend has yet to arrive so haven't translated your site yet ?
Looking forward to it :)
?P?
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4. August 2004 @ 20:59 |
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Like you Pete, I'm tired and I'll read your long post later. However, if you want to speak to the resident expert on media it will have to be someone other than me. I relinquished the crown you gave me to Londor. I was merely supplying some data I thought to be useful. Londor told me how wrong I was and proclaimed himself expert. :o)
Have a good weekend Pete.
P.S. A lot of folks like to tell me I'm wrong. Guess that honorary crown you gave me was of brambles.
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If you're including those discs and manufacturers I have recommended, I would have to disagree as these discs are made by the same manufacturers, all the time.
cheers,
Pete
That would have been Verbatim and Ritek, following this statement by me.
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In other words, it's a crap shoot when you go to buy a disc. It's really hard to name a brand as good when most brands switch manufacturers.
CMC, Ricoh, Mitsubishi, Taiyo Yuden
A disparity between MCC and CMC. I guess I wrongly assumed since you buy the -R Ritek that you would buy the -R Verbatim which is the format CMC produces for Verbatim. One shouldn't assume. I have a flogging coming and I have lost my crown to Londor. In the end I guess if Londor is correct, that just furthers what I said. I thanked him for his support. ;/
Good night Londor...
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