Thanks for the comeback, unfortunatly I don't use either one of them, I was wondering if anybody using anydvd and clone has the same problem, very rarely will anydvd and clone not copy something, the only other time I ran into a problem was with one of the Saw movies, we all had to wait for an update on that one it was about 2 years ago.
Guys thanks for the comebacks, I found out what it was, I use my dvd-rom to read and my dvd writer to write, sometimes my reader can be finicky, I loaded it up on the writer which also reads and it loaded up without a problem, 12 rounds if you remember has a couple weird titles sets etc, the writer had no problem reading it, it had nothing to do with clone or anydvd, problem soved, thanks guys.