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Trouble with Shrink/ANYDVD on new titles.
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summitboy
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7. July 2011 @ 18:41 |
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I have been backing up DVDs since 1999 mostly with DVDshrink and then the addition of ANYDVD. very few problems ensued however, now that I have a windows 7 32 bit computer, I am starting to experience problems. True Grit and Just Go with IT, will not back up using Shrink and the the most recent update of ANYDVD. I get an error message that it can't read the disc. I have successfully backed up quite a few of my collection of titles prior to 2011 with this machine configuration so this leads me to believe that there is more sophisticated encryption that is not being broken by the configuration of Shrink/ANYDVD. I am not a techno-wiz so do not know how to do these procedures manually. Do I have any options that work as easily as Shrink/ANYDVD?
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Chetwood
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8. July 2011 @ 00:52 |
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Yes, current DVDfab beta rips True Grit and is free.
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summitboy
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10. July 2011 @ 08:12 |
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I have the DVDfab you mentioned but I think I am not using it right because I don't get a playable backup. is there a site that has easy to follow instructions on how to use DVDfab?
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Chetwood
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11. July 2011 @ 00:59 |
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Sure, the DVDfab forum and the threads on True Grit.
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1. August 2011 @ 18:48 |
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Mez
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11. August 2011 @ 19:04 |
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Can your computer 'see' the disk?
That is why I am here. I just saw 2 DVDs from Fox that my reader can't see. I haven't upgraded my firmware in a while. Your software will only work if the disk can be accessed.
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malone78
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12. August 2011 @ 09:33 |
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Originally posted by summitboy:
I have been backing up DVDs since 1999 mostly with DVDshrink and then the addition of ANYDVD. very few problems ensued however, now that I have a windows 7 32 bit computer, I am starting to experience problems. True Grit and Just Go with IT, will not back up using Shrink and the the most recent update of ANYDVD. I get an error message that it can't read the disc. I have successfully backed up quite a few of my collection of titles prior to 2011 with this machine configuration so this leads me to believe that there is more sophisticated encryption that is not being broken by the configuration of Shrink/ANYDVD. I am not a techno-wiz so do not know how to do these procedures manually. Do I have any options that work as easily as Shrink/ANYDVD?
Why doesn't anyone answer his question?
I have noticed the same thing on quite a few new releases. What I have had to do is simply restart my PC before I start the process. I put in the new release, let AnyDVD read it and then use my favorite software (Clone or Shrink in my case).
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Mez
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12. August 2011 @ 11:06 |
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There is not enough information supplied. I thought I gave it a good shot. Maybe I need to go into more detail at what I think is going on. I wanted to wait and hold my breath until I was sure but I think I am now after thinking it over. Plus I doubt that summitboy will ever answer my question. Since my computer couldn't read the two disks, how can I really know what the problem is?
So this is wild speculation...
The media has been experimenting with making bad pressings for maybe 5 years or more. It is not encryption. Instead the foil is stamped in such a way that the reader has a hard time reading the information on the disk. I bet video players can use a correction table like audio players that assist the player in 'guessing' what was on a bad read. See the top sticky in the Audio forum that has a section that goes into detail how audio disks work. Computer readers do not have the software/firmware to use the fudge table since computers expect to get the exact info. Because the reader is not playing it can afford to go back and read the block again. Players can't to they fudge the read. They are helped with an error correction table.
I think they are perfecting the bad pressing process. While the disk was readable, ripit4me could often resolve the problem. Since the bad pressing is an iffy process, some will be easily readable some will be just right and some will not be readable by any thing. You can try the same process with a different disk from the same batch and get different results. I have seen a 4 disk series were 3 disks were readable and one needed ripit4me. I tried everything else before I discovered ripit4me worked. It was probably made to read damaged disks and that is its strong point. It also reads bad pressings. Because the disks had never been played it was not a surface flaw. I took me a while to come up with the concept of bad pressings. There was some talk of them on this forum.
I would not be surprised if many old readers will not read these disks either. My expensive Sony couldn't read that one disk but the cheap chinese player could. You can try to exchange the bad disk for another one.
Again this is only a theory. What is sure is, if your reader can't read your disk you are SOL.
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malone78
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12. August 2011 @ 16:20 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
There is not enough information supplied. I thought I gave it a good shot. Maybe I need to go into more detail at what I think is going on. I wanted to wait and hold my breath until I was sure but I think I am now after thinking it over. Plus I doubt that summitboy will ever answer my question. Since my computer couldn't read the two disks, how can I really know what the problem is?
So this is wild speculation...
The media has been experimenting with making bad pressings for maybe 5 years or more. It is not encryption. Instead the foil is stamped in such a way that the reader has a hard time reading the information on the disk. I bet video players can use a correction table like audio players that assist the player in 'guessing' what was on a bad read. See the top sticky in the Audio forum that has a section that goes into detail how audio disks work. Computer readers do not have the software/firmware to use the fudge table since computers expect to get the exact info.
I think they are perfecting the bad pressing process. While the disk was readable, ripit4me could often resolve the problem. Since the bad pressing is an iffy process, some will be easily readable some will be just right and some will not be readable by any thing. You can try the same process with a different disk from the same batch and get different results. I have seen a 4 disk series were 3 disks were readable and one needed ripit4me. I tried everything else before I discovered ripit4me worked. It was probably made to read damaged disks and that is its strong point. It also reads bad pressings. Because the disks had never been played it was not a surface flaw. I took me a while to come up with the concept of bad pressings. There was some talk of them on this forum.
I would not be surprised if many old readers will not read these disks either. My expensive Sony couldn't read that one disk but the cheap chinese player could. You can try to exchange the bad disk for another one.
Again this is only a theroy. What is sure is, if your reader can't read your disk you are SOL.
Well done.
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Mez
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12. August 2011 @ 18:21 |
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Thanks!
Bad pressings have been around for a long time. I wasn't certain and am still not positive that it was purposeful. It could be cutting corners making a cheaper disk. It could have been trying to get more pressings from a die before they throw it away or maybe they are using thinner foil or maybe faster stamping. More than likely it is a combination of the 2. It started out saving money but turned into the ultimate copy protection. One that uses the very core differences between a reader and a player. It is brilliant.
I haven't seen much discussion about this on this board and this is where the experts are. The more I think about extreme bad pressings the more I see it as the ultimate copy protection.
It is too much of a coincidence that I hit 2 in a row, see if there are any complaints and find this post. Were they all Fox disks?
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scorpNZ
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12. August 2011 @ 20:13 |
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Perhaps i can help out here & what i'm seeing where the issue lies is either burner is more than two years old or scratches on the disc coupled with old burner/reader,the software of fab & anyddvd have yet to fail to rip any movie,whether new release or well used & when i say well used i mean hired movies which on average is around 10-15 movies per week,if it can't be ripped it means disc is too far gone even with a slower read speed setting,& yep just to confirm i have a burner less than 3 y/o along with same make diff model less than 2 y/o & the 3 y/o burner can have issues with well used discs when reading,new discs are fine,however the newer burner has no issues with badly worn discs unless it's been polished once too many times,my advice get a new burner & would be my starting point,as for new releases never had an issue ever,if fab couldn't anydvd could & vice versa tho anydvd seems more on the ball for updating.
@MEZ
Not sure about bad pressings for legit movies,assume there would be a few just like in any assembly line however that would be offset by say every batch of 1000 more like 10'000 a few would be removed & tested,it may not be the discs themselves that are at fault as such but instead the pressing machine wear in which case they'd replace worn parts & bobs your uncle they're away again,they do keep an eye on things like that coz the last thing they'd want is a whole stack of recalls
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summitboy
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13. August 2011 @ 05:37 |
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Sorry, I haven't been here for a while.
?Can your computer 'see' the disk? ? The movie will play on the computer.
Since my last post, I have encountered the same problem with Source Code and Rango, I put the disc in, AnyDVD reads the disc, I start Shrink and click on Open Disc and, an immediate error message says Error reading Disc. If this were a problem with quality of the press as Mez suggests, I would think the movie would not play either.
However, I have been experimenting with DVDfab 8 and I am not sure what I am doing different but it has backed up both Rango and Source Code without incident. I think my problem with Dfab was that I have the free version and when you start the process, a nuisance pop-up says something to the effect that because you only have the free version, the copy mode will not work. I think I miss read/understood this early on, and thought there was a problem with the process so I didn't proceed further. Once I say OK to the pop-up, the ripping process begins and backs up fine. I then use Shrink to compress it, which usually is very little, and everything has been fine.
So I am back to my original question, I have a paid subscription to ANYDVD and am questioning why not all my DVD's will back up with this program now.
I should probably point out that my computer has two Dual Layer DVDROM burners that I purchased about 18 months ago. I have never updated the firmware.
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13. August 2011 @ 07:05 |
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I had a few Dics that even after AnyDvd reads the Dics, Shrink will not work. Right off the bat error from Shrink can`t read Disc, and couple other error`s Messages on other Disc`s.
The CloneDvd by SlySoft is made to work with AnyDvd will shrink a Dual layer movie to a DvD5, might want to check it out, 21 free trial.
I used AnyDvd an CloneDvd to back up alot of my Dvd`s.
You can use AnyDvd to burn movie files to hard drive, then try Shrink on the movie files.
If they shrink you can use any burning software to burn to Disc.
How to burn movie files to hard drive
Start AnyDvd, Let it read disc, when its done then Right click on the Fox head in lower right of tool bar and select Rip Video DvD to Harddisk.
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Mez
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14. August 2011 @ 14:44 |
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The ones I had trouble with could not be read at all by my computer. They played fine on a cheap player.
What you are describing sounds like a protection AnyDVD can't handle yet. If it was doing its job, Shrink could read it. I suggest trying to find and set up ripit4me running under AnyDVD. If it can read the disk rip4me usually can handle the rest.
Could your computer read the disk without AnyDVD? I hope not then there may be a way around this. If AnyDVD will allow you to see the disk, then I will need to dust off my copy of AnyDVD and get the latest up date. I haven't used in in many yrs. They were usually slower with their updates than Defab.
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summitboy
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15. August 2011 @ 18:45 |
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So far Defab 8 has done the trick so for now if ANYdvd can't see it I just rip it with Defab and shrink it with SHRINK and then burn it with Nero Essentials
I have never tried to rip a DVD with ANYDVD by itself, I'll have to give that a try.
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robtcjm
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15. August 2011 @ 19:43 |
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I have had the same problem. I let anydvdrip it to my hard drive then you can use shrink. It works for me.
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19. August 2011 @ 12:39 |
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Originally posted by summitboy:
I have been backing up DVDs since 1999 mostly with DVDshrink and then the addition of ANYDVD. very few problems ensued however, now that I have a windows 7 32 bit computer, I am starting to experience problems. True Grit and Just Go with IT, will not back up using Shrink and the the most recent update of ANYDVD. I get an error message that it can't read the disc. I have successfully backed up quite a few of my collection of titles prior to 2011 with this machine configuration so this leads me to believe that there is more sophisticated encryption that is not being broken by the configuration of Shrink/ANYDVD. I am not a techno-wiz so do not know how to do these procedures manually. Do I have any options that work as easily as Shrink/ANYDVD?
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19. August 2011 @ 12:43 |
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Originally posted by bobkerce:
Originally posted by summitboy:
I have been backing up DVDs since 1999 mostly with DVDshrink and then the addition of ANYDVD. very few problems ensued however, now that I have a windows 7 32 bit computer, I am starting to experience problems. True Grit and Just Go with IT, will not back up using Shrink and the the most recent update of ANYDVD. I get an error message that it can't read the disc. I have successfully backed up quite a few of my collection of titles prior to 2011 with this machine configuration so this leads me to believe that there is more sophisticated encryption that is not being broken by the configuration of Shrink/ANYDVD. I am not a techno-wiz so do not know how to do these procedures manually. Do I have any options that work as easily as Shrink/ANYDVD?
Yes. DVDFab works also very well. Also two other procedures can work most of the time. One is using Nero copy if you have the program. Since anydvd works in the background any copying procedure normally will work. Also just opening your explorer program and using copy and paste also works. (copy from original disk and paste to drive where you insert right size blank dvd first before pasting video files to the drive). Hope this helps.
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scorpNZ
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19. August 2011 @ 12:45 |
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never mind grrr
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carterbc
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19. August 2011 @ 17:15 |
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I agree with robtcjm.... On a few titles in the past year or so, shrink would not recognize the disk, so I let anydvd rip it to my hard drive then you can use shrink on the file on your disc. It works for me.
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Mez
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21. August 2011 @ 12:42 |
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None of the above sounds much like my problem were the computer could not read the disk. No one has answered my question. Without AnyDVD, can your computer detect that there is a formatted disk in the reader?
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robtcjm
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21. August 2011 @ 14:21 |
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Yes
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Mez
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21. August 2011 @ 16:38 |
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Originally posted by robtcjm:
Yes
Thanks! I am hoping I ran into a bit of bad luck. Otherwise we have something real bad coming down the road.
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summitboy
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22. August 2011 @ 19:32 |
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Originally posted by robtcjm:
Yes
I say yes as well
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summitboy
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24. August 2011 @ 13:20 |
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Updating my thoughts:
I am beginning to think that newer versions of ANYDvd might be having problems interfacing with Shrink especially if the DVD is dual layer since all the ones I have had problems with were dual layer. Just a thought. I just tried to back up a 2007 movie called Rendition and had the same error message, could not read the disc. I would like to thank Aldiii and others for putting me on to directly using ANYDvd to rip the disc. For some reason I had no idea it did this. Worked fine.
Both my DVD ROMs are relatively new and working fine. They recognize and play the disc and the disc plays in my DVD player as well. Really appreciate all the input on this thread, it has been a big help over the years.
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