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24. February 2011 @ 16:39 |
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24. February 2011 @ 18:42 |
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24. February 2011 @ 19:55 |
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If this is true, Sony continues to throw money away. This is so dumb of them because all the older systems are still out there, besides I don't think there is such a thing as unhackable (Like Bawango said).
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24. February 2011 @ 20:38 |
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Originally posted by biglo30:
If this is true, Sony continues to throw money away. This is so dumb of them because all the older systems are still out there, besides I don't think there is such a thing as unhackable (Like Bawango said).
Its not really dumb, and who's to say that further beefing up security for a new version of PS3's is even that expensive.The best case scenario for Sony IF this is in fact is true, is to make a version of PS3 that's even more difficult to hack. It did take just a bit over 4 years for the PS3 to be finally hacked.Maybe by the time someone figures it out the next generations of consoles will be already out but there's already rumors that the PS4 has been put in the back burner. Sony wants to focus (supposedly)on the PSP2.
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24. February 2011 @ 23:09 |
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i think by the time the ps4 comes out,there will be no disc drives,everything will be downloadable,and if that happens,,i can live with that,with a good reliable large harddrive,no more need for replacing dead lasers,scratched discs,life would be good,
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25. February 2011 @ 00:07 |
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Originally posted by coorva:
i think by the time the ps4 comes out,there will be no disc drives,everything will be downloadable,and if that happens,,i can live with that,with a good reliable large harddrive,no more need for replacing dead lasers,scratched discs,life would be good,
It would be cool BUT until HDD are deemed very reliable then I don't see a console that's just download only.The idea of having nothing physical to carry around with me is enticing but at the end of the day, having a physical copy, for me personally is something I still would like to have. Were almost there but not quite.
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25. February 2011 @ 00:33 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Originally posted by biglo30:
If this is true, Sony continues to throw money away. This is so dumb of them because all the older systems are still out there, besides I don't think there is such a thing as unhackable (Like Bawango said).
Its not really dumb, and who's to say that further beefing up security for a new version of PS3's is even that expensive.The best case scenario for Sony IF this is in fact is true, is to make a version of PS3 that's even more difficult to hack. It did take just a bit over 4 years for the PS3 to be finally hacked.Maybe by the time someone figures it out the next generations of consoles will be already out but there's already rumors that the PS4 has been put in the back burner. Sony wants to focus (supposedly)on the PSP2.
Actually, it only took about 6 months for the PS3 to be hacked...hacking didn't really start until OtherOS was removed...and then it was a cakewalk thanks to the fact that sony does not know how to do security. If the system had launched without OtherOS, it would have been hacked within the first year.
As for the PS4 on the backburner, I can only hope this is true...I'm moving back to PC in time for Fallout Online, and I would like PS exclusives to dry up for lack of good hardware. For that matter, I hope the 720 gets delayed too. Nintendo I don't care about; they are always a generation behind, so the Wii-II will probably be about the same as a PS3...so no games I care about will be Wii-II exclusives.
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25. February 2011 @ 04:47 |
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GH was trying to hack it before the otherOS was removed :S
The PS3JB Dongle wasnt able to run linux.Was/is clearly a piracy tool.
and if it only took 6 months (the last 6 months after the OOS was removed) to hack the PS3, why all this years sony was releasing FW's to lock down several hacks?
Just for precaution?
Oh sorry now i get it, the otherOS removal pissed off the wrong people... give me a break.
According to Sony, PS3 has 5.5 years more to live....
+ with the exclusive titles that are about to be released this year
+ the aggressive marketing plan for 2011
+ that they eventually have profit from every console they sell
+ the things that they have learned (about hacking)
+ the benefits/experience/information/Knowledge that an extra anti-hack research will give them for todays and for future consoles/devices....
Well i dont think by watching things from their perspective that this is a wrong move.....quite the opposite i believe.
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25. February 2011 @ 22:53 |
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Originally, geohot was trying to add features to Linux; he was not trying to break GameOS. He knew that there would be piracy if GameOS ever got broken, and he had no need to do so until OtherOS was removed.
The original PS3JB Dongle was clearly a backup tool...Sony was one of the biggest advocates of fair use back in the days when they were making a fortune on VHS recorders...but these days, they won't even let you make a backup on your own system. This can be used for piracy, but it can also be used for legitimate uses. If Sony is suing geohot now, then those old rulings that sony was not to blame for piracy when they made VHS recorders need to be reexamined.
As for the precautionary fixes from before geohot, those really were precautionary. No one ever figured out how to execute code when the system was frozen by a defective JPG or something. These were not exactly systematic hack attempts; they were just people who realized that doing something caused a certain kind of crash that might be useful...but they never actually were useful. Sony removed these things just because of the theoretical possibility of a problem...as well as the fact that at one point, they were actually fixing problems and adding features; rather than spending all their time on writing a new TOS to ban using your PS3 with a gaming wheel.
If sony claims that the PS3 has 5.5 years more life, then the PS4 is due in 1.5 years...it might be late because sony is diverting resources to the NGP, but I can't imagine they will wait too long. Sooner or later, Microsoft will make the 720...and given the limitations that games keep banging their heads against on the 360, I would guess this will happen sooner. I wonder if there will be otherOS and BC support on the launch models of the PS4...I really wouldn't put it past them.
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26. February 2011 @ 07:59 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Actually, it only took about 6 months for the PS3 to be hacked...hacking didn't really start until OtherOS was removed...and then it was a cakewalk thanks to the fact that sony does not know how to do security. If the system had launched without OtherOS, it would have been hacked within the first year.
Hate to say it, but you are wrong, the PS3 was originally hacked to play pirate games at the very start of its life, Sony closed that down, between that and now it took around four years to hack the PS3, the hackers saying it only took six months to hack, are only saying it to make themselves look cool.
If it hadn't of been for the original PS Jailbreak dongle being released in August 2010, the PS3 would still be un hacked.
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26. February 2011 @ 14:44 |
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Originally posted by marcusita:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Actually, it only took about 6 months for the PS3 to be hacked...hacking didn't really start until OtherOS was removed...and then it was a cakewalk thanks to the fact that sony does not know how to do security. If the system had launched without OtherOS, it would have been hacked within the first year.
Hate to say it, but you are wrong, the PS3 was originally hacked to play pirate games at the very start of its life, Sony closed that down, between that and now it took around four years to hack the PS3, the hackers saying it only took six months to hack, are only saying it to make themselves look cool.
If it hadn't of been for the original PS Jailbreak dongle being released in August 2010, the PS3 would still be un hacked.
Its funny that some people are convinced that the PS3 was hacked or started to be hacked ONLY because other OS was removed.
http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/the-ps3-its-life-the-hacks-pastpresentfuture-a-complete-history-of-the-ps3/#axzz1F607Uw6P
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26. February 2011 @ 15:10 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Its funny that some people are convinced that the PS3 was hacked or started to be hacked ONLY because other OS was removed.
http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/the-ps3-its-life-the-hacks-pastpresentfuture-a-complete-history-of-the-ps3/#axzz1F607Uw6P
Well as you see from my PS3 history, people tried to get pirate games running very early on in the consoles life, i have to go through that again and revise some stuff, i may have given more credit to certain people than deserved it.
The PS3 wasn't hacked because OtherOS was removed, but what the removal of OtherOS did was bring hackers in, that weren't interested in hacking the PS3 before, people like fail0verflow.
That is basically what i stated
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Sony claimed the OtherOS removal was for security, they may have thought they succeeded, but in reality this is what set of the time bomb, this is what gave the hacker?s/circumventors the extra determination.
It is what started the ticking time bomb, anyone that thinks otherwise is an idiot.
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26. February 2011 @ 15:41 |
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26. February 2011 @ 15:55 |
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Originally posted by coorva:
Originally posted by Bawango:
Its funny that some people are convinced that the PS3 was hacked or started to be hacked ONLY because other OS was removed.
http://www.ps3hax.net/2011/01/the-ps3-its-life-the-hacks-pastpresentfuture-a-complete-history-of-the-ps3/#axzz1F607Uw6P
do you really think that the ps3 would be hacked right now if the otheros was not removed,everybody was happy using linux with the ps3,what happens if you take a childs favorite toy away??what happens if you take my beer away from me??you dont like me when im angry,,so the flood gates are open,and sony thought this would all go away in time,
Do think that the PS3 would not be hacked if Sony left other OS alone? NO! Why don't you look at the link I posted before you make comments.Since the birth of the PS3 there have been attempts to hack it.Its even more naive to think that the PS3 would have been left alone by hackers if other OS was left on.Removal of other OS was never the reason for the PS3 to be hacked. It only shone a spotlight to the PS3 as the only remaining gaming console not yet hacked. The removal of other OS only added motivation for the PS3 to be hacked.
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Removal of other OS was never the reason for the PS3 to be hacked./quote]
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26. February 2011 @ 16:47 |
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i beg to differ,,yes there has been attempts before the removal,but why bother when linux was the hack to some,and to have the best of both worlds as a pc,there was really no reason to continue,,and i understand you,your a clean cut straight up guy,you go by the book,hacking takes away privileges that effects us all,but bottom line,i paid for this system,i should be able to keep everything that came with that system,and if hacking this system to get back what i paid for,,well so be it,and if they do come out with a system that will be harder to hack,all the power to them,besides im with killerbug,,PC gaming right now is the best,just waiting for a ps3 xbox emulator for the PC,,
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Originally posted by coorva:
i beg to differ,,yes there has been attempts before the removal,but why bother when linux was the hack to some,and to have the best of both worlds as a pc,there was really no reason to continue,,and i understand you,your a clean cut straight up guy,you go by the book,hacking takes away privileges that effects us all,but bottom line,i paid for this system,i should be able to keep everything that came with that system,and if hacking this system to get back what i paid for,,well so be it,and if they do come out with a system that will be harder to hack,all the power to them,besides im with killerbug,,PC gaming right now is the best,just waiting for a ps3 xbox emulator for the PC,,
You totally went off topic there. I'm disagreeing with you statement that "the PS3 would have been left alone if Sony did not remove other OS."
"There's really no reason to continue"
Answer :Free PS3 games!
Your statement is pretty one sided as well. Your basically saying screw the honest users like myself. To me your stance on this is as long as you get to play you backed up games and get Linux back who cares about the other people that don't care about backing up their games and using Linux.
I don't care if people mod the shit out of their PS3. I only start to care when Sony makes steps to prevent these mods that in the end affect me. Should I be mad at Sony? No. Again its difficult for some reason for people to grasp the concept but at the end their a business and have every right to protect their interest. Not that may sound unreasonable to some and *gasp* evil, but at the end of the day ITS THEIR RIGHT and if you still don't like it then sue them. Am I going to be pissed off at my friend because he changed the lock to his door because a friend he trusted with one of the his keys robbed him rendering my copy of my key useless?No. He's protecting his property.
Sony are now banning modded consoles so what did some genius hacker propose or planning? I'll steal someone PS3 console ID and use IT to get my PS3 unbanned!
So you choose to mod your PS3 then want it to still connect to PSN even though its against the ToS of that privately owned server,so the answer is steal someone elses PS3 ID.Yeah I should be mad at Sony :/
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well i repair consoles and sell them,i was fixing more 360s because thats all what people where interested in,yes it was because of the firmware hack,there are people out there like me who do buy the games,and now i get asked at least 5 times a day do you have any ps3s for sale, i seen a show on tv on games development,after watching that show i now know how much time and effort it takes to make a game,so i respect the developers and will buy there product,providing its worth buying,but at the same time if im going to spend between $60-$80 per game,i think i have the right to do as i please with the game,and i was one of the ones that spent $699.00 on the launch 60gig,thats money that i worked hard for,so if i buy a car from GM,i decide "MODIFY" the engine to get more horsepower and be faster,so your saying that GM has right to say no you cant,we own the software to run your car,you cant do that,PLEASE,enough allready,i bought,i paid in full,its mine to do as i please,and if i sell the car modifyed GM is going to come after me for selling it like that??,when is this going to end,good luck sony,your going to need it,i think they should better spend the money on improving the ps3,
i made this post in another thread,worth having another look,
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26. February 2011 @ 18:57 |
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Originally posted by Bawango:
Do think that the PS3 would not be hacked if Sony left other OS alone? NO! Why don't you look at the link I posted before you make comments.Since the birth of the PS3 there have been attempts to hack it.Its even more naive to think that the PS3 would have been left alone by hackers if other OS was left on.Removal of other OS was never the reason for the PS3 to be hacked. It only shone a spotlight to the PS3 as the only remaining gaming console not yet hacked. The removal of other OS only added motivation for the PS3 to be hacked.
If you notice, all the serious hacks involved piracy, though half of them were fake or were easily patched.
There were also many methods of having homebrew on the PS3, without hacking the machine, all machines get hacked, if Sony had given us the ability to run homebrew from the very beginning, say through a modified SDK, the console still would have been hacked.
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