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proseak
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15. June 2013 @ 12:34 |
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Originally posted by Mez: HTH,
How Quote: nstalling your HD as a second drive inside another machine isnt a good idea - with the amount and sophistication of the malware already detected, it will infect that one too.
Malware is not magic. What the smart ones do is install/replace a dll or exe with the 'name' of software already installed. They get executed instead of what was supposed to be executed. They usually either pick something in the start up or in the default browser. Being on D: the malware is not called.
I am truly interested to see how you think the malware is executed on D:.
Well, here are two; if the BIOS picks up the old disc as system, and boots off it. I have seen this happen, btw. Another is if there's any sort of autorun installed by the malware for just this scenario.
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15. June 2013 @ 19:26 |
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To be forewarned is to be forearmed? If you know it?s coming? Be prepared!
Here?s Warning #1:
Malware can and sometimes will completely destroy your operating system and you can loose your OS, your programs and all of your precious data.
Here?s Warning #2:
The boot drive is used the most, has the most wear and is nearly always the first to go bad. When a drive crashes, you can loose everything on it.
Here?s the Armor:
Always have a second drive for Data and backups on your computer. It?s cheap insurance.
Move all your Data and Libraries to the Data drive. See here: Move Your Libraries
That way your Data will be safe when the boot drive goes down.
To protect your System and programs use an Imaging program like Acronis or Macrium Reflect (free). You can schedule an image backup to your Data disk. Mine backs up every day and when I have the third week starting I delete the oldest week. Not if but when your drive goes bad you simply replace it and copy the image to the new drive. Or if you get Malware, instead of fighting it, just go back to a time that's clean.
In order not to loose anything from my desktop, I have a shortcut on my desktop to a folder (named desktop safe) on the data drive that I can drag all the icons to and it makes a copy on my data drive so that anything on the desktop won?t be lost in a disaster.
Just a tip from an old Geek that hasn?t lost anything since he lost a years work with a crashed boot drive about 15 years ago. No Mas!
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15. June 2013 @ 20:52 |
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Actually I have NEVER seen either but then I am smart enough to set the bios to the proper disk. Even with a dunderhead who did not set the bios the infected disk will boot. So what! Is is not going to infect other disks. In this case the disk will not even load. Most AVs and the new OSs do not allow autoruns to execute. I think XP was the last OS that allowed autoruns was XP but maybe it was Vista. Who uses Vista? I will have to give you one gold star for the autorun even if the process is improbable.
I still think the process is safe. I wouldn't add the drive till I imaged the new C:.
Old Geek I couldn't agree with you more except I do not image as often as you. I imaged after formatting a disk then installing all the software I would be using but before I connected to the internet. Any software I down load and install after the imaging I keep a copy of the install package on a data drive. The next time I restore the old image I will install any new software since the last image then image again. I want to be certain I have no malware in any of my images. My C: is completely expendable as it needs to be in an age where more and more malware is undetectable.
I sandbox my browser with Sandboxie which is an education in its self. You can see just how much malware gets installed in a few hrs browsing and how it is done. The malware thinks it is installing in the Windows directory not in a sandbox. I have scanned the sandbox and have never gotten a hit. That makes sense because if the malware was known to the scanners it would never have been installed. I use Avast in compatibility mode with the Comodo suite as my primary. Avast has the better real time scanning but Comodo does much better with other types of security. I am surprised how much malware gets installed right under their noses. Because the browser is sandboxed it can and should be 'flushed' after a browsing session.
I only browse under a limited user. If worse comes to worse that user is also expendable.
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15. June 2013 @ 22:45 |
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Well, BOOYAH! (hit it out the park) @2oldGeek -- THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU. Ubuntu did the job. I originally tried Knoppix but it doesn't seem to like Win7. So, after running Ubuntu,I was able to dig for those desktop files. I moved them to the Documents folder and then proceeded with the Recovery Manager -- further backing up all files to my external drive and restoring system to factory settings. This particular computer's been running McAfee, but before installing McAfee, there were early (ignored) indications that something drastic was imminent.
Hopefully, this will be it and no more important files will be saved to the Desktop. LOL
What are the chances that the backed up files will carry over the monster?
Again, much appreciation to all for the input/advice/suggestions. I'll probably invest in another malware pgm. I have Kaspersky, Avira, AVG, Win Defender, etc... There are so many, i'm never sure which to use.
Thanks ...
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16. June 2013 @ 09:12 |
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badassb, you say that "I'll probably invest in another malware pgm. I have Kaspersky, Avira, AVG, Win Defender, etc... There are so many, i'm never sure which to use. "
Do you have all of these running at the same time?
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16. June 2013 @ 10:00 |
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Originally posted by proseak: badassb, you say that "I'll probably invest in another malware pgm. I have Kaspersky, Avira, AVG, Win Defender, etc... There are so many, i'm never sure which to use. "
Do you have all of these running at the same time?
No. I have them available for use -- as well as Malwarebytes (which is running simultaneously with McAfee on another computer w/o problems). I'm just not sure which I would use on this newly restored computer. At the moment, I've only installed McAfee because it was using one of three active licenses.
Thx
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16. June 2013 @ 10:14 |
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badassb,
That's a relief - I was wondering; AVs usually don't play nice with each other... using one with malwarebytes is good, though. Others to consider are Spybot, and dedicated HOSTS file patches.
As to "What are the chances that the backed up files will carry over the monster?" it's hard to know, but scanning them with each of the tools at your disposal is a first step. There's also virustotal*, but they won't usually scan anything larger than 64Mb.
HTH, and good luck
*sorry, can't post the link, but a search will find it.
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16. June 2013 @ 11:12 |
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Originally posted by baddassb: Well, BOOYAH! (hit it out the park) @2oldGeek -- THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU. Ubuntu did the job. I originally tried Knoppix but it doesn't seem to like Win7. So, after running Ubuntu,I was able to dig for those desktop files. I moved them to the Documents folder and then proceeded with the Recovery Manager -- further backing up all files to my external drive and restoring system to factory settings. This particular computer's been running McAfee, but before installing McAfee, there were early (ignored) indications that something drastic was imminent.
Hopefully, this will be it and no more important files will be saved to the Desktop. LOL
What are the chances that the backed up files will carry over the monster?
Great, I was worried that your drive may have been scrambled.
Don't copy any of the programs over, the data files should be OK they don't carry anything over.
I looked over the last HJT log you posted and you do need to clean up some things and change the way some programs load. shoot me a fresh HJT log when you get things back together and I'll help you straighten it up and shoot you a little advice on layered protection. I test AV and malware programs by chasing zeroday badguys in my virtual machine and installing them so I can figure the best way to defeat them.
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16. June 2013 @ 23:58 |
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Originally posted by 2oldGeek: Originally posted by baddassb: Well, BOOYAH! (hit it out the park) @2oldGeek -- THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU. Ubuntu did the job. I originally tried Knoppix but it doesn't seem to like Win7. So, after running Ubuntu,I was able to dig for those desktop files. I moved them to the Documents folder and then proceeded with the Recovery Manager -- further backing up all files to my external drive and restoring system to factory settings. This particular computer's been running McAfee, but before installing McAfee, there were early (ignored) indications that something drastic was imminent.
Hopefully, this will be it and no more important files will be saved to the Desktop. LOL
What are the chances that the backed up files will carry over the monster?
Great, I was worried that your drive may have been scrambled.
Don't copy any of the programs over, the data files should be OK they don't carry anything over.
I looked over the last HJT log you posted and you do need to clean up some things and change the way some programs load. shoot me a fresh HJT log when you get things back together and I'll help you straighten it up and shoot you a little advice on layered protection. I test AV and malware programs by chasing zeroday badguys in my virtual machine and installing them so I can figure the best way to defeat them.
2oG
Well, bad news! So much for my thinking all was well. I restored the computer back to factory settings and ran the HP File Recovery Restore Manager. You suggested to not move any program files -- only data files -- back over, but when HP backs up the files, they're stored in multiple .wim files. The Recovery Manager then combines all these files to recreate the backed up files/folders so it's hard to weed out what i want and dont want to be put back on the computer. All files are then dumped into a special recovery folder on "C". So I moved some of those folders back to their appropriate libraries and BAM! Minutes later, I noticed the exclamation mark on the start menu when it was time to shut down or restart the computer. [Side note: I was noticing this before all went downhill. The computer kept thinking it needed to do updates, which never happened successfully]. So it's happening again. I ran a full scan with McAfee, which found nothing.
Let me back up a moment. Before restoring the computer as a last resort, I tried using the Avira Rescue CD, which found multiple trojans BUT i was unable to follow up and run the antivirus because I could not access the computer to do so -- which caused me to do a total system revamp.
So now, the question is: should I run that Rescue CD again and let it find whatever it found before and then run the antivirus to get rid of whatever is there? Obviously there's a file (or files) that was backed up and restored that's causing this problem. The last time I looked at the computer, it was trying to do an update -- 1 of 125! When that's done and it shuts down, I'm just hoping that it boots up normally. Crazy, huh?
End result: back to square one again!
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17. June 2013 @ 10:30 |
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Originally posted by baddassb: Well, bad news! So much for my thinking all was well. I restored the computer back to factory settings and ran the HP File Recovery Restore Manager. You suggested to not move any program files -- only data files -- back over, but when HP backs up the files, they're stored in multiple .wim files. The Recovery Manager then combines all these files to recreate the backed up files/folders so it's hard to weed out what i want and dont want to be put back on the computer. All files are then dumped into a special recovery folder on "C". So I moved some of those folders back to their appropriate libraries and BAM! Minutes later, I noticed the exclamation mark on the start menu when it was time to shut down or restart the computer. [Side note: I was noticing this before all went downhill. The computer kept thinking it needed to do updates, which never happened successfully]. So it's happening again. I ran a full scan with McAfee, which found nothing.
Let me back up a moment. Before restoring the computer as a last resort, I tried using the Avira Rescue CD, which found multiple trojans BUT i was unable to follow up and run the antivirus because I could not access the computer to do so -- which caused me to do a total system revamp.
So now, the question is: should I run that Rescue CD again and let it find whatever it found before and then run the antivirus to get rid of whatever is there? Obviously there's a file (or files) that was backed up and restored that's causing this problem. The last time I looked at the computer, it was trying to do an update -- 1 of 125! When that's done and it shuts down, I'm just hoping that it boots up normally. Crazy, huh?
End result: back to square one again!
What a kick in the head! I thought you had it.
I really don?t think the Rescue CD would do any good as your recovery should take care of the MBR and there shouldn?t be anything bad in the newly installed system. It is however missing all the updates that have come out since it was put on there by the factory and these will take quite some time to install.
Try restoring again and this time, allow it to update fully then check it out before trying to transfer any data to it. When transferring data back, do it a small amount at a time and check out each transfer before moving on to another one.
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17. June 2013 @ 11:18 |
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Originally posted by 2oldGeek: Originally posted by baddassb: Well, bad news! So much for my thinking all was well. I restored the computer back to factory settings and ran the HP File Recovery Restore Manager. You suggested to not move any program files -- only data files -- back over, but when HP backs up the files, they're stored in multiple .wim files. The Recovery Manager then combines all these files to recreate the backed up files/folders so it's hard to weed out what i want and dont want to be put back on the computer. All files are then dumped into a special recovery folder on "C". So I moved some of those folders back to their appropriate libraries and BAM! Minutes later, I noticed the exclamation mark on the start menu when it was time to shut down or restart the computer. [Side note: I was noticing this before all went downhill. The computer kept thinking it needed to do updates, which never happened successfully]. So it's happening again. I ran a full scan with McAfee, which found nothing.
Let me back up a moment. Before restoring the computer as a last resort, I tried using the Avira Rescue CD, which found multiple trojans BUT i was unable to follow up and run the antivirus because I could not access the computer to do so -- which caused me to do a total system revamp.
So now, the question is: should I run that Rescue CD again and let it find whatever it found before and then run the antivirus to get rid of whatever is there? Obviously there's a file (or files) that was backed up and restored that's causing this problem. The last time I looked at the computer, it was trying to do an update -- 1 of 125! When that's done and it shuts down, I'm just hoping that it boots up normally. Crazy, huh?
End result: back to square one again!
What a kick in the head! I thought you had it.
I really don?t think the Rescue CD would do any good as your recovery should take care of the MBR and there shouldn?t be anything bad in the newly installed system. It is however missing all the updates that have come out since it was put on there by the factory and these will take quite some time to install.
Try restoring again and this time, allow it to update fully then check it out before trying to transfer any data to it. When transferring data back, do it a small amount at a time and check out each transfer before moving on to another one.
2oG
So you mean all those detections from the Rescue CD (java script virus, TR/kazy trojan horse, html script virus, etc...) was taken care of with the restoration? ... but something is definitely in one of those backed up files.
ok, i will do as u suggest and take it slow before transferring back any files.
thanks again!
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17. June 2013 @ 11:23 |
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Quote: So you mean all those detections from the Rescue CD (java script virus, TR/kazy trojan horse, html script virus, etc...) was taken care of with the restoration? ... but something is definitely in one of those backed up files.
ok, i will do as u suggest and take it slow before transferring back any files.
every thing on your old system is wiped out by the restore and a new system is placed there.
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17. June 2013 @ 11:31 |
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I just remembered that some of those HP recovery's give you a choice of trying to save data... don't use that choice use the full destructive recovery so it wipes out the bad guys that may be left around to haunt you...
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17. June 2013 @ 12:37 |
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Originally posted by 2oldGeek: I just remembered that some of those HP recovery's give you a choice of trying to save data... don't use that choice use the full destructive recovery so it wipes out the bad guys that may be left around to haunt you...
Under the System Recovery, it gives two options: (1) backup files first or (2) recover w/o backing up files, but doesn't give any option as to what type of files should be backup. Now, I still have the backup files on my external drive from the previous backup. I won't do another backup simply because i think the files will be scatter even more the second time around because of the new directory created during file restoration. I'll just do a recover w/o backing up files and after all updates, try to select start restoring individual folders.
thx...
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17. June 2013 @ 12:53 |
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correct. the recovery w/o backup is a destructive recovery and that should do it. fingers crossed :)
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17. June 2013 @ 17:26 |
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*coughs*
@ op
2OldG did mention back on page 1 tho i suspect you missed it,my motto is never leave home without one installed.Do it right after the fresh reinstall,you'll never need to bother 2oldgeek again EVER,it does require an external & a spare partition on a 2nd hdd inside the computer,not reside on the same hdd as C as a recovery can't be done unless it's on another drive,always have two of each recovery you make or 3 if you have another hdd as a backup to the backup of the backup,confused now :p
http://download.cnet.com/EaseUS-Todo-Ba...4-10964460.html
how you start the schedule is over too you or do it manually,main point is make one before you install too much junk & before any ms updates (reason is in case of any ms update corrupted installs),this is your main clean install recovery point never delete it,the rest can be done at intervals,i usually make 5 initial system images including the 1st (never to be deleted),the rest after this point are scheduled to be deleted once each new one is created the last in the list (oldest)gets removed.
recovery with easeus or image program of your choice is done by creating a bootable cd of easeus which is done by the program,you'll need to manually create it,look at bottom of its GUI it's tools-create bootable disk or some such wording
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17. June 2013 @ 17:50 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ: *coughs*
@ op
2OldG did mention back on page 1 tho i suspect you missed it,my motto is never leave home without one installed.Do it right after the fresh reinstall,you'll never need to bother 2oldgeek again EVER,
Bless your heart scorp, I was hoping someone would catch that. I have never had to fight a malware or reformat/reinstall any of my my computers for years now since installing a second HD and Acronis True Image.. as a matter of fact, I look forward to catching a Trojan or Rootkit just so I can ZAP him.. lol it takes 8 minutes to restore my computer from a backup and all is back like nothing happened.... :)
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18. June 2013 @ 13:24 |
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The bloody things should be mandatory on every computer,the amount of time it could'a saved me when i bought my first comp is measured in days apart from a massive piece of mind,then again you already know that,pisses me off when family members get me to sort their computers out it's 2-3 days wasted having to re-install an OS from scratch then update & install all the software all because of no backup images
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Originally posted by scorpNZ: The bloody things should be mandatory on every computer,the amount of time it could'a saved me when i bought my first comp is measured in days apart from a massive piece of mind,then again you already know that,pisses me off when family members get me to sort their computers out it's 2-3 days wasted having to re-install an OS from scratch then update & install all the software all because of no backup images
LOL I know the feeling, scorp, after the first couple of kids started that, we had a big discussion about the first 3 rules of computing...
Rule #1: Backup
Rule #2: Backup
and Rule #3: Backup
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Originally posted by baddassb: Originally posted by 2oldGeek: I just remembered that some of those HP recovery's give you a choice of trying to save data... don't use that choice use the full destructive recovery so it wipes out the bad guys that may be left around to haunt you...
Under the System Recovery, it gives two options: (1) backup files first or (2) recover w/o backing up files, but doesn't give any option as to what type of files should be backup. Now, I still have the backup files on my external drive from the previous backup. I won't do another backup simply because i think the files will be scatter even more the second time around because of the new directory created during file restoration. I'll just do a recover w/o backing up files and after all updates, try to select start restoring individual folders.
thx...
Haven't heard anything from you, baddassb, Did you have any luck?
2oG
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19. June 2013 @ 22:38 |
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@scorpNZ,
Hey buddy, thanks for the review on SumatraPDF. I hadn?t heard of it and now I got it. It?s GREAT no fuss, no muss just a simple PDF reader very lite and no crap-o-la.
Mine installed in less-than 1 second! Couldn?t be because I?m running 6 cores at 3.8 (4.2 Turbo) could it?
Cheers,
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There's a portable version as well
http://portableapps.com/
If you require a slightly more feature full program while keeping it lite there's also nitro reader 3 is lighter than foxit reader
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20. June 2013 @ 17:03 |
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Tnx I don't need any more, this is all I really ever use.
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Originally posted by 2oldGeek: Originally posted by baddassb: Originally posted by 2oldGeek: I just remembered that some of those HP recovery's give you a choice of trying to save data... don't use that choice use the full destructive recovery so it wipes out the bad guys that may be left around to haunt you...
Under the System Recovery, it gives two options: (1) backup files first or (2) recover w/o backing up files, but doesn't give any option as to what type of files should be backup. Now, I still have the backup files on my external drive from the previous backup. I won't do another backup simply because i think the files will be scatter even more the second time around because of the new directory created during file restoration. I'll just do a recover w/o backing up files and after all updates, try to select start restoring individual folders.
thx...
Haven't heard anything from you, baddassb, Did you have any luck?
2oG
Hey there,
I've been quite busy all over -- but not really having luck with this computer. I've been trying to sort through the restored files and move them appropriately, but the computer's been trying to install the many necessary updates And now I've encountered a "fatal error c0000034". It never ends. lol
To be continued......
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22. June 2013 @ 14:26 |
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Originally posted by baddassb: Hey there,
I've been quite busy all over -- but not really having luck with this computer. I've been trying to sort through the restored files and move them appropriately, but the computer's been trying to install the many necessary updates And now I've encountered a "fatal error c0000034". It never ends. lol
To be continued......
Sorry you are having so much trouble. If you had read some of my stuff on here over the years, I have always said that there are 3 rules to computing 1. backup 2. backup and 3. backup.
When I build or buy a computer I always install a second HD and partition it for my data and system drive backups. I use Acronis True image but there are free progs that do it very well.
A second HD is about the cheapest insurance against loosing your C drive to a crash or Malware that you can find...
When you first started I had a feeling that this was one of those ZeroAccess Trojans that Fragment your OS making it, most of the time, UN-repairable and sometimes the HP disk backup does not work very well. That leaves it to starting over with installing the system from a System Disk. I know a System Disk usually doesn't come with computers anymore so, check around your friends and see if you can come up with a Win 7 Disk that you can beg or borrow for a little while.. that's about the best advice I can come up with.
Luck be with you,
2oG
There are three kinds of men: The ones that learn by reading; The few who learn by observation;
The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence and find out for themselves...
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