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Computer build ready to buy, tips?
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Trancer
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7. April 2010 @ 22:27 |
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kgtrain
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9. April 2010 @ 05:44 |
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I would get a Corsair HX750W. It has higher efficiency and build quality as well as a better warranty, but the X4 is ok. Get a black WD Caviar HDD not green (black has higher performance) and I would also go with a Gigabyte motherboard (I've had 2 MSI mobo's DOA), something like a GA P55A UD6 if you dont plan on crossfiring.
Have you tried newegg.ca for better prices, they seem a little high at the moment.
Thats just me but what you have chosen is good.
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I would get a Corsair HX750W. It has higher efficiency and build quality as well as a better warranty, but the X4 is ok. Get a black WD Caviar HDD not green (black has higher performance) and I would also go with a Gigabyte motherboard (I've had 2 MSI mobo's DOA), something like a GA P55A UD6.
Have you tried newegg.ca for better prices, they seem a little high at the moment.
Thats just me but what you have chosen is good.
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11. April 2010 @ 10:32 |
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Looks good except for the monitor and the PSU. Ultra PSUs are pretty crappy, and not a component you should skimp on. Go for a Corsair VX 550W or something like that. No need to go complete overkill with a 750, the system you listed is only going to use around 190-210W anyway.
Motherboard is fine, MSI stuff is quite reliable, but they do still use the old socket design which doesn't work too well with overclocking. If you want to overclock, get a Gigabyte P55A board. Once again, no need for complete overkill like the UD6, a UD3 or UD4 will be fine.
Lastly, Benq is a pretty tacky brand for displays. I'd advise you to look at stuff by Viewsonic, Samsung, Dell, HP and LG insyead.
Oh, and another thing, the WD10EARS is designed for data storage, not as a main system drive, it'll be too slow for that. Either add an additional drive, or swap it out with a Caviar Black (WD1001FALS or WD1002FAEX).
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kgtrain
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11. April 2010 @ 11:57 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Go for a Corsair VX 550W or something like that. No need to go complete overkill with a 750, the system you listed is only going to use around 190-210W anyway.
Haha yea I like to have too much power. (Tim the toolman comes to mind :p)
If you go for a UD3 use the spair coin to get a 5850.
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The X4 doesnt seem to be that crappy, I must admit I havnt had any personal experience with them and wouldnt pay that price for them.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=907&pageid=6
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11. April 2010 @ 11:59 |
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Given the cost difference between the boards, and the fact that a better monitor is ideally needed, the gap in the budget is not going to cover the upgrade cost for a 5850, that will cost a substantial amount extra.
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kgtrain
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11. April 2010 @ 12:10 |
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That monitor is fine for a 5850 & the difference between a UD6 and UD3 is $165 (In Australia that is) thats a fair amount to put towards a 5850.
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11. April 2010 @ 12:35 |
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It's nothing to do with the size and resolution, it's just that Benq quality is low quality tat, and he should be using a better brand. He wasn't considering the UD6, but the MSI GD85, which is $90 more than the suggested P55-USB3. An HD5850 is $150 more than an HD5770.
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kgtrain
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11. April 2010 @ 13:23 |
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Who suggested the USB3?
To a certain extent it does matter about the size & resolution, a 4200 series for isntance couldnt power that screen while playing most games on high settings/high resolution.
I know he didnt suggest the UD6, I did. He has picked one of MSI's higher end boards so I was suggesting the equivalent Giga counterpart. Yes the 5850 is much more expensive but he can still put the spair coin towards it and I dont think he mentioned a budget either. He may already have the money for it but I'm guessing now.
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11. April 2010 @ 14:21 |
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Sorry, was confusing threads, I did in another thread. Even so, the P55-USB3 is adequate for all but heavy overclocking, it's still a well-specified board.
Onboard HD4200 effectively can't handle any modern games at any resolution. However, since a dedicated card is going to be used, that's less an issue. An HD5770 is not ideal at 1920x1080, and yes an HD5850 would be a better buy. However, it really comes down to how set on performance and graphical detail the user is. If they don't mind not being able to turn stuff up, they would be better off getting a decent quality screen. If they have to have the best performance possible, they should either get a 5850 and swallow the extra, or get a 1680x1050 screen instead, or both.
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kgtrain
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11. April 2010 @ 22:57 |
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Mm I perhaps have gone overboard with the motherboard :)
I assumed because he had a a higher end MSI he would want a high end Gigabyte, but realistically yours is a better cost/performance ratio.
May I offer this alternative, somewhere in the middle..
CPU: Intel Core i5 750 209
MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte P55A-UD3 150
(superior Marvell chip to the USB6)
RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws 4GB (F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH) 143
GPU: HIS 5850 320
OPTICAL: Lite-On IHAS324 39
PSU: HX 650 (VX 550 out of stock) 130
HDD: WD 1TB Caviar Black 100
MONITOR: Samsung P2250 220
CASE: NZXT 100
TOTAL: 1411 (ALL PRICES OFF NEWEGG.CA)
Intel Q6600 @ 3.6 (1.4 vCore) | Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme | Gigabyte EP45-DQ6 | Corsair Dominator 4x2GB DDR2 1066MHz (5-5-5-15 @ 2.1Volts) | WD 1TB SATA II | 2 x XFX 4890 1GB CrossFire @ 950Mhz Core, 1200Mhz Memory | Samsung P2270 22" 1080p | Antec Quattro 1000W | ASUS TA-M1 chassis |
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Trancer
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11. April 2010 @ 23:41 |
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Alright, thanks for all your help guys, and i haven't been on here to respond myself but I see you two had a nice little discussion :P
Alright here's what I've decided is gunna work pretty good, and still be good somewhat down the road, kgtrain I could not find the monitor you posted on Newegg, and I suppose I could use help with choosing that as I have not decided. Also I have decided to move on to Newegg as it is better :P.
CPU: Intel Core i5 750 $209
MOBO: Gigabyte P55A-UD4P (for $50 more on the UD3 I liked the features)$200
RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB 1600MHZ $138
GPU: Saphire Toxic Radeon HD5850 (you both convinced me to upgrade and this sucker has all the features, also in future i will prolly buy another to crossfire) $390
PSU: Corsair TX750 (is actually cheaper than the HX650 right now) $120
Optical: Sony Optriac still prefered for price $25
HDD: WD 1TB Black Caviar WD1001Fals 100
CPU Cooler: Zerotherm Core92 $30
Case: Raidmax Aztec $85
That puts me at about 1,300 without the monitor which I still can't decide on, hows that look guys?
edit: I'm looking at this monitor on Newegg, ASUS VE246H Black 24" 2ms, 50000:1, 1920x1080, HDMI port (I also plan to run my PS3 off of it maybe and this supports 1080p)
A lot of the reviews said its a good monitor, and I really like the specs of it, or would ASUS just be a dumb choice for a monitor? What you think?
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12. April 2010 @ 07:36 |
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Don't buy the Toxic HD5850, you're throwing $70 away on a bigger cooler you don't need, the 5850's stock cooler is perfectly adequate.
Cooler you've chosen is pretty naff, either spend more or don't bother, the stock cooler gets the job done without overclocking. Recommended alternative is something like a Thermalright Venomous X.
I assume you realise how horribly tacky and cheap Raidmax cases are, the Aztec included. $85 is a lot to pay for a pile of cheap plastic. For less than that you can buy a Coolermaster HAF 922, which is a vastly better case.
Asus monitors have reasonable reviews, but I still don't like the quality of anything Asus produce. Stick within the brands I suggested earlier.
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12. April 2010 @ 08:21 |
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Your build is almost the exact one I built about 2-3 months ago I'm using the corasir 450 and ripjaw 2 gig and its running gr8. the power your going be using looks a little high even if you overclock a 600 should be enought. you could save a bit with the down grade.
the saphire graphics card I also have it works gr8.
as a build its really good but have you looked into a ssd for performance and a caviar green for storage with all the money you saved from changing builds. If you look at my post in building you'll be able to see my final build hope this was some help good luck on your build :)
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12. April 2010 @ 08:47 |
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The 550W VX unit will work fine for that system, so yes a 750W is overkill :P
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Trancer
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12. April 2010 @ 16:07 |
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I'm planning on getting the 750 power supply just cause its only $30 more, and it allows for me to crossfire 2 5850s in the future.
I decided to get a Coolermaster RC 690 case, cause its huge and supports 5 120mm fans, not a clear side but oh well.
As for the monitor I'm gunna hold off on that for a while, and as for a CPU cooler I'm also gunna hold off on, so I won't overclock till that point. Everything else from my last post remains the same however.
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Trancer
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12. April 2010 @ 22:57 |
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Just curious what would the max power-supply wattage be needed for this system?
core i5 750
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P
Corsair XMS3 1600mhz 4GB (also will add more RAM)
GPU x2 XFX HD5770 XXX edition
Sony Optriac
WD 1TB Black Caviar WD1001Fals
(adding a blue-ray player on later)
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13. April 2010 @ 06:25 |
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I believe you can buy a side panel for the RC690 that does have a clear side.
The amount of power your system will use at full load will be around 300-320W at full load, so as you can see, wattage is almost completely irrelevant for your system. The quality brand is what matters.
Why would you buy two 5770s though, and especially why would you buy the XXX versions? The only reason to do that would be if they were identically priced to the stock 5770.
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Trancer
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13. April 2010 @ 10:50 |
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Alright so im gunna go with a corsair 550VX for the psu then cause it supporst crossfire
and I dunno much about video cards, I read that 2 5770's is better than a 5870 and this way my wallet stays happy. As for the XXX versions from what I had read I got from it that the stock versions cannot overclock without the voltage going all haywire, or something to that extent?
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13. April 2010 @ 10:55 |
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Not true really, the 5770s can overclock beyond what you get with an XXX edition without messing with the voltages at all, people also often criticise XXX editions (and similar pre-overclocked cards) for being unreliable. Two 5770s can beat a 5870, just about, in the best case scenario. Often, however, they won't, as Crossfire is never 100%. Ultimately you really want to go with a 5850 or 5870 instead.
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13. April 2010 @ 22:25 |
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Just a quick question sammorris since you've been so helpful. The P55A-UD4P board says when crossfired USB 3.0 and Sata III work at normal mode, does that mean it reverts them back to 2.0 and II? I looked around to find details on this but had no luck, thanks.
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kgtrain
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13. April 2010 @ 23:02 |
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Even though the P55 supports both SLI & CF but they are not the best for it.
Crossfire and fast USB3/SATA6Gb are mutually exclusive on the P55A-UD4P. With CF disabled and USB3 or SATA6Gb enabled the first PCIe x16 lane will only work at x8.
With both CF and SATA3 and/or USB3 enabled the the P55 chipset will route some lanes from the x16 to service the SATA3/USB3 controllers so the UD4 will do x8/x8 in Crossfire mode.
In addition the UD4 manual says that if you do have a Crossfire setup at 2x8, SATA3/USB3 will automatically revert to "PCIe Gen 1" mode (250MB/s) so as not to affect the bandwidth of the 2x8 CF setup.
Its may be a bit confusing but it means with crossfire active, both SATA6Gb and USB3 will be constrained to a PCIex1v1 link speeds of 250MB/s. USB3 will show an improvement over USB2, but SATA6Gb won't be any faster than SATA3Gb.
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13. April 2010 @ 23:27 |
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well thanks kgtrain, geese im sure thats a feature that not too many people are happy with kinda almost defeats the purpose of getting USB 3.0 and SATA III with this board anyways doesnt it? Also whats the differecne really between running a crossfire in x16 mode or x8 mode. And whats a good board that will pretty much work both Crossfire and Usb/sata 3 without reverting them to the 350mb/s mode you described?
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kgtrain
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14. April 2010 @ 01:44 |
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2 5770's at x8 is still faster than 1 at x16. PCIe 2.0 x8 is sufficient for current video card generation. Generally speaking, you will not see much (if any) difference between x8 and x16 mode for PCIe 2.0. The Radeon HD 5770 performance level drops only by 2% overall when split into two 8 lane links. Even at PCIe x1, leaving only 1/16th of the optimum bandwidth it can still deliver 75% of its performance.
The performance penalty between two PCIe 2.0 x16 (electrical x8) and PCIe 2.0 x16 (electrical x16) is negligible unless every frame per second increase matters to you. There is no reason to worry about a performance drop on mid-range motherboards.
A direct quote from Gigabyte...
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...But the true fact is, there?s no performance drop comparing with a PCI-e x16 to a PCI-e x8 graphics.
If you want to keep the costs down go for the cheaper option, if two 5770's are cheaper than one 5850 choose that. Otherwise (as more bandwidth is always better) get the single more powerfull 5850.
As for USB 3 and SATA Rev 3, only if your getting a SSD is it worth it. At the moment a single HDD cant even saturate SATA 2 (3GB/s) bandwidth yet. USB 3 would be nice for burst speeds but they wont be able to take full advantage of this for some time.
Intel Q6600 @ 3.6 (1.4 vCore) | Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme | Gigabyte EP45-DQ6 | Corsair Dominator 4x2GB DDR2 1066MHz (5-5-5-15 @ 2.1Volts) | WD 1TB SATA II | 2 x XFX 4890 1GB CrossFire @ 950Mhz Core, 1200Mhz Memory | Samsung P2270 22" 1080p | Antec Quattro 1000W | ASUS TA-M1 chassis |
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Trancer: Not exactly, USB3 and S-ATA 3 will still work but they will have less bandwidth between them, because when you use both of the PCI Express slots, there is too little bandwidth available to the system to give all of the ports their full speed. If you only use one of them, you probably won't notice any drop in performance, especially not with USB3, as even when crippled, USB3 is miles faster than USB2 (S-ATA3 is only twice the speed of S-ATA2 but USB3 is 10 times as fast as USB2)
I always leave USB3 and S-ATA 3 in normal mode because I don't have any USB3 or S-ATA3 devices yet, and even if I did, S-ATA 3 is a bit of a waste of time because nothing is really fast enough to use it yet. That, and I also use both my 16x ports for Crossfire.
The lack of bandwidth is nothing to do with Gigabyte, it is a limitation of LGA1156. The PCI express is provided by the CPU and not the board, and the CPU can only produce 16x bandwidth, so it has to be shared out.
PCI Express at 16x versus PCI Express at 8x has only a 2% effect on performance, it's negligible, you'll never notice it.
Even the fastest SSDs can only continuously use bandwidth around 250MB/s, and S-ATA 2 allows 375MB/s, so you've no reason to use S-ATA 3 yet at all, and even in PCIe1.0 mode at 250MB/s, USB3 still has 250MB/s to play with, which is actually enough to pretty much max the technology out anyway, given how USB bandwidth works.
Ultimately, even with a crossfire setup, running USB3 and S-ATA3 in normal mode, you are never going to notice the difference for a long time to come.
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kgtrain
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14. April 2010 @ 07:59 |
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Yea I know its not Gigabytes fault. They have much more credit than me when it comes to the I.T world so I used a quote from them showing it doesnt make a difference running at x8 or x16.
Np tho, I'm pretty easy to misinterpret :)
Intel Q6600 @ 3.6 (1.4 vCore) | Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme | Gigabyte EP45-DQ6 | Corsair Dominator 4x2GB DDR2 1066MHz (5-5-5-15 @ 2.1Volts) | WD 1TB SATA II | 2 x XFX 4890 1GB CrossFire @ 950Mhz Core, 1200Mhz Memory | Samsung P2270 22" 1080p | Antec Quattro 1000W | ASUS TA-M1 chassis |
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