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Intel Quad Core vs AMD Phenom II X4
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gera229
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23. July 2009 @ 01:25 |
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This is just opinions I would want to hear.
What would be better to get and why? Performance?
Intel Quad Core or AMD Phenom II X4 ?
What if it was like a Intel Quad Core vs AMD Phenom II X4 940 or 955 vs Core 2 quad 9550 which is a comparable price to the phenom II 955. Thanks.
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23. July 2009 @ 04:28 |
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Why ask when you've already built a PC?
Phenom II X4 940 is about the same as a Core 2 Quad Q9400
Phenom II X4 955 is about the same as a Core 2 Quad Q9550.
The AMDs outperform the intels in certain video encoding appliations but little else. The AMDs are slightly cheaper but can't be overclocked very much and use considerably more power.
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gera229
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23. July 2009 @ 12:02 |
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By how much does it outperform, I just don't want to think that I just waisted some cash even though I'm and intel fan. Thanks.
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23. July 2009 @ 12:04 |
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not much, and as I said it's limited to certain video encoding programs, nothing more. Overall the intel is still the better processor.
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gera229
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23. July 2009 @ 19:14 |
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Just for my knowledge.
What about if it was clock for clock?
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23. July 2009 @ 19:26 |
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Then the Intel demolishes the AMD, as the X4 955 at 3.2Ghz rivals the Q9550 at 2.833Ghz. This is the main reason why the Intels fare better after overclocking because the Intel will actually reach higher clock speeds than the AMD. 3.8 is about the limit for X4s in most systems (c. 20%), whereas the Q9550 will reach 3.9Ghz on most boards (c. 40%)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. July 2009 @ 12:43
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jony218
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23. July 2009 @ 20:39 |
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this graph shows a comparison of the top CPU's encoding XVID which is the main advantage of the quad cores.
I have a amd phenom 9750 quad and can confirm it is a very fast in converting to xvid (less than 2 hours my previous amd4800 dual core was taking 4 hours) , the intels are faster but I'm not willing to pay the premium price, I'm satisfied with the 2 hour conversion speed.
As far as playing video games or doing other tasks, I can't tell a difference between a dualcore and a quadcore. I use the amd 4800 x2 as my game machine and everyday computer, the quad sits on the corner and I only use it once or twice a week for video conversion work. For me it would be a waste to use the power of a quad to surf the internet or play games.
I always buy AMD, recently I had to buy an intel e2140 dualcore (due to I couldn't find a comparable amd motherboard). One thing about the intels are how you install the cpu fan (very complicated 4 tiedown points) the AMD is a simple 2 minute (lever type) installation (no tools required). I would be hesitant to buy another intel just because of the hassle of installing the cpu fan. That's something else to think about.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-...1.2.1,1383.html
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23. July 2009 @ 20:45 |
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The Phenom 9750 is a very weak quad core CPU, and that's the main reason why you can't tell the difference between it and the 4800+, there isn't one! To all intents and purposes the 9750 is just two 4800+s stuck together, and that's it. Unless you have a quad core capable app, there are no advantages whatsoever.
On the contrary about the cooler, intels are MUCH easier to install when they work, the trouble is, they don't stay there, which is worrying. I would sooner have four screw points.
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gera229
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23. July 2009 @ 22:37 |
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What was that (c. XX%) thing sam?
And I don't understand this
"On the contrary about the cooler, intels are MUCH easier to install when they work, the trouble is, they don't stay there, which is worrying. I would sooner have four screw points."
please explain it about the they don't stay there, frou screw points, and installation. =] Thanks.
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23. July 2009 @ 23:51 |
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One thing I like about AMD is how long they keep a socket type. I believe most current AM2,AM2+,AM3 motherboards all use the same socket, so a dualcore athlon or quadcore phenom will fit into the same motherboard (older boards may need a bios upgrade to support newer CPUs). This offers a better upgrade path IMO.
Intel constantly change their sockets with newer CPUs, forcing a motherboard upgrade with a CPU upgrade.
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24. July 2009 @ 08:16 |
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Actually Socket 775 has been around pretty much as long as AM2. There's more confusion with the AMD sockets because not only do you need to make sure not just the chipset, board and BIOS can support your CPU, you need to make sure if it can handle the power consumption as well - Phenom CPUs use enough power to burn a hole through most lightweight boards.
Gera: Just read the sentence again and you'll understand it, it wasn't meant to be difficult.
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24. July 2009 @ 11:53 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
the Intel will actually reach higher clock speeds than the Intel
What?
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24. July 2009 @ 12:04 |
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You can overclock Intel CPUs to a higher clock speed than AMDs with standard equipment.
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24. July 2009 @ 12:06 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
You can overclock Intel CPUs to a higher clock speed than AMDs with standard equipment.
Oh OK, it was a typo. I thought you were talking about two different Intel processors.
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gera229
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24. July 2009 @ 12:15 |
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What was that (c. XX%) thing sam?
So you meant that intel coolers come off of the socket over time and need to be placed in again? Cuz what four screws were you talking about when they just attach without needing screws? Thanks.
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24. July 2009 @ 12:42 |
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Oh whoops, only just noticed that.
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24. July 2009 @ 12:44 |
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Intel coolers aren't liable to fall off by themselves, but their install procedure is a little odd in that you can't always tell if you got it exactly right or not - if you didn't, the coolers are liable to come loose.
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gera229
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24. July 2009 @ 13:07 |
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So how would I tell if it's in or not? Cuz I always pushed it in as hard as I could so it stays. Thanks. And that was your typing error including that (c. XX%) thing?
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24. July 2009 @ 13:26 |
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No, the percentage change wasn't a typo, it's simple maths. Phenoms will only overclock by about 20%, core 2 quads will manage up to 40% - since you're not overclocking it's irrelevant.
If your cooler is secure your temperatures will be fine. If it is not secure you'd know about it as your PC would shut down due to overheat.
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25. July 2009 @ 17:51 |
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Originally posted by jony218:
this graph shows a comparison of the top CPU's encoding XVID which is the main advantage of the quad cores.
I have a amd phenom 9750 quad and can confirm it is a very fast in converting to xvid (less than 2 hours my previous amd4800 dual core was taking 4 hours) , the intels are faster but I'm not willing to pay the premium price, I'm satisfied with the 2 hour conversion speed.
2 Hours is fast for converting to Xvid?
id toss my cpu now if it took that long.
on my newly aquired Q9550 i can convert to xvid in about30-35mins.(if its that long), and convert xvid to dvd format in about 12 mins.
not trying to dog ya here but 2 hours is a long time just to convert to xvid. $169 is what i just paid for my Q9550.
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25. July 2009 @ 18:16 |
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Precisely, a core 2 quad is ridiculously fast compared to a 9750.
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jony218
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25. July 2009 @ 23:21 |
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I could get a xvid converted in 45-60 minutes if I use the single-pass mode, but I use the 2-pass mode for better quality, and I'm talking about converting a dvd(vob's) to xvid. Converting mpeg2 files I record off my tuner card, the phenom will convert a two hour movie in 25 minutes (single pass mode).
The phenoms and the intels quads are not that far apart except in video encoding and even there it's not that much of a difference if you only do occasional video encoding.
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25. July 2009 @ 23:38 |
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Originally posted by jony218:
I could get a xvid converted in 45-60 minutes if I use the single-pass mode, but I use the 2-pass mode for better quality, and I'm talking about converting a dvd(vob's) to xvid. Converting mpeg2 files I record off my tuner card, the phenom will convert a two hour movie in 25 minutes (single pass mode).
The phenoms and the intels quads are not that far apart except in video encoding and even there it's not that much of a difference if you only do occasional video encoding.
video encodeing is all i use my system for its what i built it for.
when converting xvid to vob/vt_s, i allways do 2 passes. and when i use dvd-rebuilder to rebuild a 7gb+ disc to fit onto a dvd5 disc i use 3-6 passes. 3 passes takes about 36 mins.since haveing this Q9550 i just did a 7gb movie in 21mins. 2 passes
heres a link to the log/post.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/335628/4759593
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26. July 2009 @ 15:49 |
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jony: The phenom IIs and Core 2 Quads are similar for video encoding. The original Phenoms are useless though. Only the fastest 9950BE is competition for intel's slowest quad, the Q6600. The rest can only rival the dual cores. The slowest Phenoms are even beaten by E8000 series dual core CPUs.
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30. July 2009 @ 19:36 |
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The Intel coolers are a cinch to mount imo. I just got an Arctic Freezer Pro 7 which has the same mounting brackets as the standard Intel CPU cooler. Well they feel a bit more sturdy tbh.
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