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wade7575
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27. January 2010 @ 01:05 |
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I currently have a PC with a intel 2.8 dual core processor,I'm looking at build a new PC with a AMD 965 Processor with four 1GB sticks of DDR3 1333 dual channel Kingston ram and a Asus M4A78T-E Motherboard ,I was wondering if a 400 watt Power supply would be enough or if I should step up to a 500 watt,the main question I really have is I use Nero 9 reloaded alot for converting video I have heard that the i7 chips are at video encoding will I see much of a difference over my current setup witch is a Acer Aspire AST671 and I have upgraded the toatl ram to 3GB,where I'm looking to gain some speed is when I'm using Nero 9 to re-encode video.I will most likely be using the video card built on the ASUS board as I do not game alot,I;m using Win 7 32 bit on my current Acer but I will be using Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit on my new build.One other thing are the Cooler Master Power Supply's any good.
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wade7575
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27. January 2010 @ 01:27 |
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Also what I ment to say in that is I have heard the intel i7 cores are better at video encoding then the AMD 965.
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wade7575
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27. January 2010 @ 01:42 |
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Sorry for all the post's but I can't figure out hot to edit my thread,I was just looking at the intel i5 750 Processor as well and was wondering is this any faster than the AMD 965 black edition.
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27. January 2010 @ 07:30 |
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Edit button is at top right of each post. You'll need a different motherboard for i5's and i7's. Unless you're willing to pay $400+ for an i7, it's better to get the quad core i5, as far as Intel stuff goes. But you're better off getting the AMD one. And it's only the top of the line i7s that are better. The lowest priced one is just as good as an i5 750, which is worse than the 965 black.
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wade7575
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27. January 2010 @ 13:06 |
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do you think a 460 to 500 watt power supply will be enough.
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27. January 2010 @ 14:20 |
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use this icon 
which is to the top right of your post(s) to edit your post.
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Jkyr12
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27. January 2010 @ 15:17 |
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Originally posted by wade7575:
do you think a 460 to 500 watt power supply will be enough.
You probably want about a 500, if you are using 125 for the CPU already, but only if you're gonna get a high end gpu....If you don't need a high end graphics card, you probably want about a 450W. If you DO want a good graphics card, get at least a 500W, and make sure the power supply has 2 6-pin connectors.
Corsair is probably one of the highest priced power supply brand, but they're also one of the best. They have a 450W for $70, not sure about the higher wattages.
Im new here, spend most of my time in the PC Hardware forums, and am working on my first build.
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Xplorer4
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27. January 2010 @ 19:43 |
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Originally posted by Jkyr12:
Edit button is at top right of each post. You'll need a different motherboard for i5's and i7's. Unless you're willing to pay $400+ for an i7, it's better to get the quad core i5, as far as Intel stuff goes. But you're better off getting the AMD one. And it's only the top of the line i7s that are better. The lowest priced one is just as good as an i5 750, which is worse than the 965 black.
Not true. Some i5's share the same socket with the i7 800 series.
And no hes not better off with the AMD except for maybe budget wise.
Also when it comes to high performance cpus the 860 is cheaper then the 720 by about $10 when you factor in RAM and mobo.
To the op whats your budget?
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Jkyr12
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27. January 2010 @ 20:02 |
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But he'll need a different mobo for an intel cpu than an amd cpu is what i meant.
Im new here, spend most of my time in the PC Hardware forums, and am working on my first build.
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27. January 2010 @ 20:48 |
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it depends on the watts put out by the cpu. I have the phenon 9750 quad (95 watts). This phenom plus 4x hard drives and onboard video run fine on a "works brand" 400 watt power supply, at one time I also had a radeon 4670 video card (low wattage card) in the computer and worked fine with 400 watts.
With power supplies, it all depends on the video card. A mid/high end video card will easily require 500 or more watts.
A quad will definitely increase your video encoding speeds. My old phenon 9750 takes 1.5 to 2 hours to encode a video using the h264 codec 2-pass mode. My amd x2 4800 takes 3.0 to 4 hours to do the same encoding. The intel quads are alot quicker.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-...6.8.3,1382.html
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wade7575
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27. January 2010 @ 23:39 |
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Thanks for all the advice guys.I was wondering if I will see much a speed increase when it comes to video re-encoding over my Acer Aspire AST671 with Win 7 3 BG ram and a intel 2.8 dual core with the setup I'm thinking of build with a AMD 965,the other thing I'm wondering is what is the ASUS board like that I'm thinking using are they known to be a good Mobo,I was told that if you get a top of the line Processor and a middle of the road Mobo the Mobo can limit your builds over all projects speed,I have heard that ASUS are one of the best Mobo's if not the best but as anything I would assume they can make a few item's in there line up that are not as good as they could be.
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28. January 2010 @ 03:58 |
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Originally posted by Jkyr12:
But he'll need a different mobo for an intel cpu than an amd cpu is what i meant.
He has to buy a new mobo anyways since he doesnt own the ASUS mobo he mentioned yet.
Also,Wade, be sure to stay away from ASUS mobos. There mobos have declined in quality the past few years. Gigabyte,MSI and Biostar are the best bets. The EVGA mobos are very good, just over priced. Intel mobos are good, but offer limited bios options essentially making them over priced as well.
Also, in reference to your earlier post, keep in mind only the i7 900 series use 125 watts. The i7 860 uses around 80 watts. I think its 85 but cant recall right off hand. Some of the i5(sorry havent had time to look up the new i5s) cpus use 80 watts to, well atleast the original did.
A 500 watt is almost guaranteed to be plenty for anything we would build for him. My rig(see sig) is run by a 520 watt corsair with out a hitch.
The most important thing here is to figure out what the budget for the op is before recommending what way to go.
Originally posted by wade7575:
Thanks for all the advice guys.I was wondering if I will see much a speed increase when it comes to video re-encoding over my Acer Aspire AST671 with Win 7 3 BG ram and a intel 2.8 dual core with the setup I'm thinking of build with a AMD 965,the other thing I'm wondering is what is the ASUS board like that I'm thinking using are they known to be a good Mobo,I was told that if you get a top of the line Processor and a middle of the road Mobo the Mobo can limit your builds over all projects speed,I have heard that ASUS are one of the best Mobo's if not the best but as anything I would assume they can make a few item's in there line up that are not as good as they could be.
Dual core doesnt say alot. Is it a Pentium d dual core or Core 2 Duo? Regardless, with an 860 or even an i5 your bound to see a HUGE difference. With an i7 860 I can convert a 700 MB AVI to DVD(using ConvertXtoDVD) in about 10 minuets. My 860 is running on a MSI P55-GD65. This is the cheapest MSI ATX mobo with 2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots. It isnt holding back my CPU at all. Now if it was a less reliable mobo that might be the case, but so far this MSI seems rock solid.
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wade7575
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28. January 2010 @ 12:26 |
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Xplorer4 my current processor is 2.8 D not a core 2 Duo,I do not have convert x yet what speeds do you think I would get with Nero 9 Reloaded,do you think the AMD 965 would be any faster than a 860 or slower.
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28. January 2010 @ 12:54 |
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Avoid the X4 965, and Asus boards, and using 4 sticks of memory. Two is better. A Core i7 system will be much faster at video encoding and not much more expensive, and will be more efficient.
Sounds like you're building an entire new system, since your current case and PSU won't be up to the task. What's your budget for the upgrade?
Example system:
Core i7 860
Gigabyte P55A-UD3L
2x2GB Corsair XMS3 1600mhz CAS9
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Case
Corsair CX 400W PSU
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wade7575
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28. January 2010 @ 14:40 |
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My buget is around 700.00 CAD Funds,just to make thing's clear I do not have my heart set on the AMD 965 but is it really that much slower at encoding.Also should I use 2 or 4 sticks of ram I'm going for a total of 4 GB I do not need a HDD as I just got a new Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm 500GB and have a new LG Super Multi DVD Drive so they will be thrown in the new build as both are olny 1 year old or not even.I'm also wanting to run dual channel ram at the mhz possible with overclocking as I have heard the higher the MHZ and dual channel run faster.
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28. January 2010 @ 14:44 |
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Yes it is. An i7 will beat it substantially in most cases, and isn't much more expensive.
2 sticks of RAM is better than 4, as I said.
RAM automatically runs in dual channel as long as you use an even number of sticks.
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Xplorer4
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28. January 2010 @ 16:28 |
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Originally posted by wade7575:
My buget is around 700.00 CAD Funds,just to make thing's clear I do not have my heart set on the AMD 965 but is it really that much slower at encoding.[blah blah blah]
I have tried to be more then helpful to you, but if you refuse to listen to the advice given I cant be asked to waste more time on this then I already have. Maybe Sam will have more patience then I do.
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wade7575
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28. January 2010 @ 18:50 |
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Xplorer4 I'm not trying to be a pain and waste your time I just do not know alot about Processor's and was wondering what the diffence in speed would be with a AMD 965 vs the i7 860.I have never built a PC from the ground up before.I'm olny trying to get a better under standing of what makes one better than the other.I'm not opposed to using a intel chip or a different Mobo,I was just trying to find out how much of a difference there would be speed wise.
sammorris if I go with the Mobo you suggested and the i7 860 and the 1600 MHZ ram is that ram for overclocking or just running the Precssor out of the box I have seen with some Mobo's they suggest different ram and some say OC witch I assume it stands for overclocking,can I still use the ram with the higher MHZ although it say's OC beside it and will I see any advantage with the highest MHZ ram the Mobo and Processor support.I would also like to thank you for your help.
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28. January 2010 @ 19:32 |
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The performance differential between the 860 and 965 depends on the application used, but in terms of raw performance output for an average, it's something like 30-35% extra performance, for a reduced power consumption (95W versus 125W)
The RAM I have chosen will allow a good overclock. However, it is also good value, and will provide decent performance. Spending any less is likely to prove detrimental, but spending more isn't really beneficial.
OC does indeed stand for overclocking.
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wade7575
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28. January 2010 @ 22:57 |
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With the ram you have choosen I will go with and the same with the Mobo and Processor,the one thing I would like to know about that ram and Mobo combo do I have to overclock the Processor to run that ram and if I do overclock the Processor what is the highest I should go.I do not plan on overclocking but I might,also the otherthing I was going to ask is the fan that comes with the Processor anygood and does the i7 860 come with a heatsink as well,if the fan is no good what should I get a Ultra X Wind Fan I have seen good reviews on them,if you know of one that is cheaper and will cool just as much I would welcome the input.
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Xplorer4
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29. January 2010 @ 02:41 |
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Originally posted by wade7575:
With the ram you have choosen I will go with and the same with the Mobo and Processor,the one thing I would like to know about that ram and Mobo combo do I have to overclock the Processor to run that ram and if I do overclock the Processor what is the highest I should go.I do not plan on overclocking but I might,also the otherthing I was going to ask is the fan that comes with the Processor anygood and does the i7 860 come with a heatsink as well,if the fan is no good what should I get a Ultra X Wind Fan I have seen good reviews on them,if you know of one that is cheaper and will cool just as much I would welcome the input.
First off, no you dont need to OC the cpu to run the RAM.
The highest you can go depends on a couple of factors. Not every chip, and I dont just mean a i7 920 vs i7 860, I mean every single i7 920 made will vary slightly, so theres no true answer. What we can tell you is if you plan to OC, you should be bale to reach 4 GHz though. However cooling, as you mentioned is very important. Every CPU, Intel or AMD, will come with a stock heatsink fan(HSF). The stock coolers are sufficient for the cpu under stock conditions, and possibly a slight over clock, but if you plan to OC, and even if you dont, the stock HSF are rather cheap. The new coolers for the i7 cpus are actually a slap in the case compared to the old Core2 stock coolers, but none the less they do get the job done. An aftermarket cooler is ALWAYS a good idea though. A good HSF will bring temps down several degrees and is absolutely necessary for OCing as your OCed cpu will run hotter the more you OC it. Even if you dont OC, a hsf is always great investment as it will extend the life of the cpu.
The Ultra X cooler you mentioned doesnt look very good to me. Personally I have seen any side mount coolers that actually work good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608014
More expensive, but its good, and this ones even higher priced, and larger so it can be hard to fit in some cases:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7542/c...wvPzg&mv_pc=141
But couple it with a high quality fan like a Scythe 21F, and this monster is bad @$$. I personally use the second set up and can vouch for it personally dropping temps below 30* C. However, I am not aware of a cheaper cooler or similar priced one that offers good cooling.
Sorry about earlier, I think I had your thread mixed up with another one.
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wade7575
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29. January 2010 @ 03:00 |
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Xplorer4 don't worry about it everyone screw's up from time to time.I was wondering about that second setup that you said you run where is the fan for that unit do you have to get one or is one supplied and not just shown.
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29. January 2010 @ 13:19 |
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All CPUs these days come with basic coolers which will be fine if you don't want to overclock. If you do overclock, I strongly recommend an aftermarket cooler.
As said, you do not need to overclock the CPU to use a particular speed memory.
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wade7575
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29. January 2010 @ 22:22 |
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I seen that Tigerdirect is selling the 17 920 for the same price as the 17 860,I looked at the specs on the two and seen the 860 has a better GHZ speed 2.8 vs the 920 at 2.66 I thought the higher the model number the faster the processor,witch one should I get if I want the fastest Processor between these two.
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29. January 2010 @ 22:44 |
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http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-...6.8.3,1382.html
And on top choose a benchmark (divx/xvid/gaming/etc), it shows the performance for the different cpu's. The performance increase is minimal once you get to the highend cpu's.
I wouldn't spend 200.00 extra on a intel cpu, when the amd cpu is just a little slower. Also consider that the cpu fans on the intel cpu's or a bigger hassle to install.
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