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29. June 2009 @ 17:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
hey all, i have this psu [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148003][/url]
and i would love to buy either A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130325 or B: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500090
now i know that the 8800 requires 26amps on the 12v rails, can my psu handle it? i know i get 16amps + 18 amps which is 34amps but i want to know thanks in advance

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29. June 2009 @ 19:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No. That PSU will go bang even if you put a graphics card half as powerful as an 8800. You've also chosen two very old graphics cards that are no longer very competitive performers. This is miles better:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102770
here is a new PSU that will handle the card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008
Don't be fooled by the wattage rating, this unit is more than triple the power of the Apevia unit (Apevia lie about their specs, Corsair don't)



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29. June 2009 @ 19:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
thanks that ati card is miles better than the other two i selected, now i want a card that my psu can handle, as to why you say that apevia lies i highly doubt that, as there would be to many legal issues, and im not interested in the watts i know i have more than enough watts for my system, what im interested is in 12v rail amps.
on a side note, i know that watts are amps times voltage Xd

also i would prefer a nvidia card not ati

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
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XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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30. June 2009 @ 13:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Put simply, nvidia cards of this particular scale cost a lot more for the same level of performance. If you're willing to pay more for the same product just because it has the nvidia label on it,so be it.
No company is legally allowed to lie about their power supply ratings. However there are several loopholes that can be exploited such that they can effectively do just that, output at a certain temperature and then of course "oh, it was a faulty unit" when one blows below spec.
trust me, the Apevia PSu is rated for 34A on the 12V rail, but trust me, if you drew more than about 10-11A off it, sparks would start flying out the back of the PSU, they're so badly made it's a damn joke. The Corsair 400W unit is a much more powerful unit, and can actually produce the 30A it specifies.
The Sapphire HD4850 I posted was $95. This is the cheapest nvidia card I would recommend instead of it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150357



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1. July 2009 @ 10:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
i dont plan on buying a new psu, i know mine can handle that card and a psu is just to expensive for me, i havent read any ware online that they suck or anything remotely close to that.

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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1. July 2009 @ 13:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
and once the card is under load, the apevia will go poof.

name brand IS important in computer components. poorly made ones will have poor results.

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1. July 2009 @ 13:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
im i just need more proof to this, i cant see it happening

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XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
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1. July 2009 @ 14:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
http://www.corsair.com/cinema/movie.aspx?id=622747

of course they don't say the name. the other companies would sue. but THAT'S what happens to low end ones, like apevia, rosewill, bestec, etc; all they care about is making the quick buck. they don't care about quality like pc power&cooling, antec, corsair, seasonic.

ps2: v7 scph-39001 - independence exploit - hdloader 0.8c - maxtor 300gb hdd
(+[__]%) psp slim ta-085v1: 6.60 PRO B10
wii (powered by bootmii/priiloader): 4.1u - d2x v10beta53-alt (base 56) - configurable usb loader v70r51/devolution r188 - wd scorpio black 7200rpm 320gig w/ ams venus ds2 enclosure

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1. July 2009 @ 14:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Agreed - Apevia are actually one of the worst brands for that too, there are other suspicious cheap brands that fare better.



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2. July 2009 @ 02:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
alright i purchased the corsair psu but a different graphic, im upset about having to spend money on a psu but what can i do thanks all, if i was being naive im sorry Xd

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Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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2. July 2009 @ 02:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Which graphics card did you get instead? You could have asked us first.



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2. July 2009 @ 02:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435][/url]
i know you suggested an ati card but im just to loyal to nvidia Xd

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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2. July 2009 @ 02:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Oh dear me. The 9800GT is miles behind the HD4850, and yet you actually paid more for it. I don't always recommend ATIs because I'm biased, because there are some parts of the market where buying the opposite brand is simply throwing money away. This is one of them.



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2. July 2009 @ 02:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
since were kinda on topic whats the difference between stream processors and steam processing units? also its not that much better only 25mhz in the core clock and 186mhz in the memory clock, it was only 5 bucks more, includes a game and is from evga ( great tech support/ warrenty)

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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2. July 2009 @ 03:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by sammorris:
Oh dear me. The 9800GT is miles behind the HD4850, and yet you actually paid more for it. I don't always recommend ATIs because I'm biased, because there are some parts of the market where buying the opposite brand is simply throwing money away. This is one of them.
I lol'd

Mainly because it's so true
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Originally posted by tylak:
since were kinda on topic whats the difference between stream processors and steam processing units? also its not that much better only 25mhz in the core clock and 186mhz in the memory clock, it was only 5 bucks more, includes a game and is from evga ( great tech support/ warrenty)

I lol'ed. One of the people that assume graphics cards are all about the mhz and nothing else matters. it hasn't been true of processors for over ten years, why should it be true of graphics cards? (Hint: it isn't)
It's noticeably slower (go look at any benchmark), you paid more for it, and it's from EVGA, who have had severe quality control issues in the past.

Long story short, you've been sucked into the nvidia hype and have been ripped off for it. It happens too often, much too often. That's not to say that all nvidia products are bad value for money, they aren't, but there are lots of occasions like this where you get screwed for your brand loyalty.



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2. July 2009 @ 05:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
whats the difference between stream processors and stream processing units, forgive me for my ignorance

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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2. July 2009 @ 05:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
They're the same thing.



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2. July 2009 @ 17:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
if so how can that ati card have 8 times what the 9800 can and be about the same price?, that makes no sense to me, and if your right about them being the same, i think newegg should remove the " obsolete " products

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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2. July 2009 @ 17:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
because they're different architectures. you can't compare those numbers to eachother.

ps2: v7 scph-39001 - independence exploit - hdloader 0.8c - maxtor 300gb hdd
(+[__]%) psp slim ta-085v1: 6.60 PRO B10
wii (powered by bootmii/priiloader): 4.1u - d2x v10beta53-alt (base 56) - configurable usb loader v70r51/devolution r188 - wd scorpio black 7200rpm 320gig w/ ams venus ds2 enclosure

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2. July 2009 @ 17:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by cee43ja1:
because they're different architectures. you can't compare those numbers to eachother.

ah ok thanks, i was confused about that

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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3. July 2009 @ 00:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I suppose it's a bit like saying you have two engines, one that will achieve 7000rpm, the other 10,000rpm. If the second engine is half the size of the first, the first is still more powerful.



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3. July 2009 @ 01:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
i know this is off topic but my other post hasnt been replied,i have 4gb on a 32 bit so i know whats up with that but my onboard (still havent received my gcard) uses 256mn (.25gb) but i only see 2.75 is that normal? and also when i use cpuz my cpu is at 6x multiplier, but if i use any cpu intensive thing, i will jump to 12.5 whats up with that?
i have a tv tuner so maybe that affecting the ram

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

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3. July 2009 @ 01:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The amount of memory OBG uses is rather complex to calculate, if you're still running onboard graphics, I wouldn't worry about the performance loss of having 500MB less RAM. 2.75GB isn't that easy to fill in a 32-bit OS.



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3. July 2009 @ 01:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
right but wheres my 1gb? if i have 4-.25 - 3.75 gb ram wheres my 1gb ( 3.75-1 = 2.750

My psp life:2.01>1.50>3.52 m33>3.71 m33>3.80 m33>3.90 m33>
Gaming Rig:
XFX 610i-Geforce 7050 Motherboard
Seagate 1500.3GB - ST31500341AS HDD
Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 OCed to 3.20 ghz CPU

 
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