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telase
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4. December 2009 @ 12:45 |
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Asus P7P55D
ATX case, Lexa Blueline Edition
Intel Core i5 750, 2.66GHz
Ati Radeon HD 5770, 1GB GDDR5, 128-bit, PCI-E, DVI
2GB, DDR3 1066MHz (x3 = 6gb RAM)
would you do something different / change some parts?
I post-process alot of images, and also play a bit games.
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telase
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4. December 2009 @ 14:21 |
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Replying to my own thread because I could't find en edit button:
I already have 600W power supply, and 1TB HD and IDE CD/DVD reader/burner
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Xplorer4
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4. December 2009 @ 18:29 |
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Drop the ASUS for something like Gigabyte or MSI.
"2GB, DDR3 1066MHz (x3 = 6gb RAM)"
That doesnt exactly tell us much. What brand? Go with Corsair,S.Skill.or Patriot.
Get 4 GB total, not 6 GB. Only the core i7 900 series processors use triple channel kits.
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5. December 2009 @ 02:32 |
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Originally posted by Xplorer4: Drop the ASUS for something like Gigabyte or MSI.
"2GB, DDR3 1066MHz (x3 = 6gb RAM)"
That doesnt exactly tell us much. What brand? Go with Corsair,S.Skill.or Patriot.
Get 4 GB total, not 6 GB. Only the core i7 900 series processors use triple channel kits.
Either 4GB or 8GB...and I doubt you need 8GB.
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5. December 2009 @ 04:37 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug: Either 4GB or 8GB...and I doubt you need 8GB.
Thats exactly why I said 4 GB. :p
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telase
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5. December 2009 @ 07:41 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug: Originally posted by Xplorer4: Drop the ASUS for something like Gigabyte or MSI.
"2GB, DDR3 1066MHz (x3 = 6gb RAM)"
That doesnt exactly tell us much. What brand? Go with Corsair,S.Skill.or Patriot.
Get 4 GB total, not 6 GB. Only the core i7 900 series processors use triple channel kits.
Either 4GB or 8GB...and I doubt you need 8GB.
so what disadvantages would i have if used 3 sticks instead of 4? Like would the dual channel perform worse or something?
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Xplorer4
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5. December 2009 @ 09:26 |
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Were talking 3 sticks vs 2 sticks not 4. Dual Channel is 2 sticks.
If you mean triple channel vs dual channel, well you cant run triple channel on an i5. You could 3 sticks but not in triple channel.
Now triple channel does offer more memory bandwidth increasing performance of the RAM. For example the i7 920 has more memory bandwidth then the i7 860 but the 860 out performs the 920 in every other department so it does not mean a faster system.
I'm not sure how the system would react to 3 sticks of RAM, but its a waste of money regardless because you only need 4 GB.
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telase
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5. December 2009 @ 10:46 |
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Originally posted by Xplorer4: Were talking 3 sticks vs 2 sticks not 4. Dual Channel is 2 sticks.
If you mean triple channel vs dual channel, well you cant run triple channel on an i5. You could 3 sticks but not in triple channel.
Now triple channel does offer more memory bandwidth increasing performance of the RAM. For example the i7 920 has more memory bandwidth then the i7 860 but the 860 out performs the 920 in every other department so it does not mean a faster system.
I'm not sure how the system would react to 3 sticks of RAM, but its a waste of money regardless because you only need 4 GB.
I mass-process photos, and when I used vista 32bit with 4gb ram ( i guess it really was 3.3gb) the memory usage was from 90 to 100 when I post-processed photos.
I usually have these open:
Photomatix (sometimes batch-processing photos)
Lightroom ( almost always mass-processing / synching )
Photoshop CS4
Msn
iTunes
Firefox
mIRC w/ nnscript
kaspersky internet security
Steam
When I export lets say, 50 photos from lightroom to HD & photoshop my RAM usage bumps up even further. I'm pretty sure I need more than 3.3gb. it could be that all I need is 4gb but I'm thinking of going for the 8gb if 6 is not an option.
And my question was ( and yes I know that i5 or i7 processors at socket 1156 do not support triple channel )that if I put 3 sticks to my coming system, will it render the dual channel of A1 / A2 sticks useless? So I should always have either A1 and A2 filled or have A1, A2, and B1, B2 filled?
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7. December 2009 @ 04:57 |
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If you use 3 sticks with most I5 mainboards, you will be locked out of dual channel completely, though some might support dual channel for two of the sticks.
If 3.3GB is getting maxed out, this means that you are also using a lot of your swap file, so 8GB would certainly be a good choice.
6GB (2x 2gb, 2x 1gb) might also be an option, as this would also give you dual channel support...just make sure all the memory is the same voltage.
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telase
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7. December 2009 @ 13:47 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug: If you use 3 sticks with most I5 mainboards, you will be locked out of dual channel completely, though some might support dual channel for two of the sticks.
If 3.3GB is getting maxed out, this means that you are also using a lot of your swap file, so 8GB would certainly be a good choice.
6GB (2x 2gb, 2x 1gb) might also be an option, as this would also give you dual channel support...just make sure all the memory is the same voltage.
My new computer has now been ordered
Specs I came to were following
Motherboard ASUS P7P55D. I thought about the gigabyte and MSI but I've always used asus and I know what it means when asus acts in some way, and I know how to fix the problem. I hope xplorer does not get offended by this :P
Case: LEXA blueline edition Just simply looks nice and was inexpensive
CPU: Intel core I5 750
Video card: Ati Radeon HD 5770 ( i might get second one to crossfire later, or buy 5870 if i feel 5770 isn't enough ( i play on 1680x1050 res, and I play quite new games, but I'm pretty sure it'll be enough
Memory: A-data 8gb DDR3 1066mhz. I thought about 4gb Corsair 1600mhz, but ended up getting 8gb of a-data for around the same price.
What I already have (didn't order)
power: 600W CFT-600-14CS
HD: 1TB western digital caviar drive
CD/dvd reader: just some random old IDE leader, i'll replace it with bluray when it's neccessery.
thank you for replying! I hope I have made good choices here with my setup.
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Xplorer4
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7. December 2009 @ 13:59 |
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Originally posted by telase: I mass-process photos, and when I used vista 32bit with 4gb ram ( i guess it really was 3.3gb) the memory usage was from 90 to 100 when I post-processed photos.
I usually have these open:
Photomatix (sometimes batch-processing photos)
Lightroom ( almost always mass-processing / synching )
Photoshop CS4
Msn
iTunes
Firefox
mIRC w/ nnscript
kaspersky internet security
Steam
When I export lets say, 50 photos from lightroom to HD & photoshop my RAM usage bumps up even further. I'm pretty sure I need more than 3.3gb. it could be that all I need is 4gb but I'm thinking of going for the 8gb if 6 is not an option.
And my question was ( and yes I know that i5 or i7 processors at socket 1156 do not support triple channel )that if I put 3 sticks to my coming system, will it render the dual channel of A1 / A2 sticks useless? So I should always have either A1 and A2 filled or have A1, A2, and B1, B2 filled?
This could have been useful from the start.
As for your question, I answered this.
Originally posted by telase:
My new computer has now been ordered
Specs I came to were following
Motherboard ASUS P7P55D. I thought about the gigabyte and MSI but I've always used asus and I know what it means when asus acts in some way, and I know how to fix the problem. I hope xplorer does not get offended by this :P
Case: LEXA blueline edition Just simply looks nice and was inexpensive
CPU: Intel core I5 750
Video card: Ati Radeon HD 5770 ( i might get second one to crossfire later, or buy 5870 if i feel 5770 isn't enough ( i play on 1680x1050 res, and I play quite new games, but I'm pretty sure it'll be enough
Memory: A-data 8gb DDR3 1066mhz. I thought about 4gb Corsair 1600mhz, but ended up getting 8gb of a-data for around the same price.
What I already have (didn't order)
power: 600W CFT-600-14CS
HD: 1TB western digital caviar drive
CD/dvd reader: just some random old IDE leader, i'll replace it with bluray when it's neccessery.
thank you for replying! I hope I have made good choices here with my setup.
ASUS is junk, bad choice. Same for A-Data. Was there really a point to this thread if you werent going to utilize the info given to you?
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telase
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7. December 2009 @ 14:11 |
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Originally posted by Xplorer4:
ASUS is junk, bad choice. Same for A-Data. Was there really a point to this thread if you werent going to utilize the info given to you?
I thought about corsair for a long time, but ended up to a-data as I was able to get 8gb of that for the price that I'd get 4gb of corsair.
as what goes for ASUS, I'm used to its tricks, and I know how to handle them.
Main point of this thread was to see if my specs somewhat are OK, like if I had made any major mistakes. I don't really see that picking ASUS over gigabyte is a major mistake, if ASUS was worse than other brands manufactoring motherboards, it would have died. That's what happens to companies that clearly serve worse stuff than other companies in the same price range.
I was thinking more of if people think that getting i5 is too early / 5770 sucks / should I stick with lga 775 as thats what I last time got when I was upgrading and wanted to with DDR3, and everyone just said it's too early for that. So I waited ( that was when DDR3 was just announced, so I got
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Originally posted by Xplorer4:
if you werent going to utilize the info given to you?
I listened to the "either 4gb or 8gb RAM. Otherwise I would had gone with 6gb (3 sticks) and now I'm going with 4 sticks.
Point for my thread was, to make sure that the mainlinmes of the specs i've selected were OK. If this causes you alot of trouble, I'm sorry, and in no sarcastic way I am.
I'll try to make myself more clear the next time I'm doing this. I know my opening post sucked. Also the next time I'm doing this I'll have bigger budget, as now I'm moving out in a few months and moneys a bit tight on me, so the next time I wont need to worry about money that much.
Also this thread resulted me in reading such topics to decide whether to go with asus or gigabyte, and majority seems to think its ok to go with either one, and I didn't really find anyone complaining about ASUS being unreliable, and made my decission.
http://www.techimo.com/forum/motherboard...s-gigabyte.html
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-249679_12_0.html
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Xplorer4
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Originally posted by telase: Originally posted by Xplorer4:
ASUS is junk, bad choice. Same for A-Data. Was there really a point to this thread if you werent going to utilize the info given to you?
I thought about corsair for a long time, but ended up to a-data as I was able to get 8gb of that for the price that I'd get 4gb of corsair.
as what goes for ASUS, I'm used to its tricks, and I know how to handle them.
Main point of this thread was to see if my specs somewhat are OK, like if I had made any major mistakes. I don't really see that picking ASUS over gigabyte is a major mistake, if ASUS was worse than other brands manufactoring motherboards, it would have died. That's what happens to companies that clearly serve worse stuff than other companies in the same price range.
I was thinking more of if people think that getting i5 is too early / 5770 sucks / should I stick with lga 775 as thats what I last time got when I was upgrading and wanted to with DDR3, and everyone just said it's too early for that. So I waited ( that was when DDR3 was just announced, so I got
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Originally posted by Xplorer4:
if you werent going to utilize the info given to you?
I listened to the "either 4gb or 8gb RAM. Otherwise I would had gone with 6gb (3 sticks) and now I'm going with 4 sticks.
Point for my thread was, to make sure that the mainlinmes of the specs i've selected were OK. If this causes you alot of trouble, I'm sorry, and in no sarcastic way I am.
I'll try to make myself more clear the next time I'm doing this. I know my opening post sucked. Also the next time I'm doing this I'll have bigger budget, as now I'm moving out in a few months and moneys a bit tight on me, so the next time I wont need to worry about money that much.
Also this thread resulted me in reading such topics to decide whether to go with asus or gigabyte, and majority seems to think its ok to go with either one, and I didn't really find anyone complaining about ASUS being unreliable, and made my decission.
http://www.techimo.com/forum/motherboard...s-gigabyte.html
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/page-249679_12_0.html
So you sacrifice quality based purely on price? If the Corsair was to steeply priced we could have referenced other manufactures..well actually I did. I could have even elaborated further by going in to different brands that werent so bad either.
You know there tricks? You realize every mobo has slightly different bios so you wont know all there tricks(whatever that means) and mobos seem to have a standard of giving out a number of beeps on system power up to signal a problem to a specific part.
You claim ASUS would go under if there QC was that bad. Not exactly. For one, you realize ASUS has ventures in many markets? You do realize that ASUS once made very good mobos but they have declined over the past few years. A major company doesnt go under that quickly.
You pointed out utilizing one piece of information you were given. Good job, but that doesnt speak volumes.
We work with in budgets every day on here. Just because your on a low budget doesnt mean you have to buy unreliable parts. Stating a budget would have been useful to. Thats usually the first rule of thumb is figuring out a budget and thats partially my fault for not asking.
I agree, you wont find ASUS put down much, but the fact of the matter is I was once an ASUS supporter. I consistently defended ASUS around here against countless "just wait" posts. This isnt just hear say, its my experience ASUS has proven me wrong. So I recommend staying away from them. Think of it as a Dolorian, there cool looking, they still run, but there mostly just a POS :p
Oh and if your really tight on budget, you would have probably been better off throwing in 4 more GBs on your current build and then going directly into an i7.
Good luck with the build. Any problems let us know. ;)
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8. December 2009 @ 03:01 |
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Most of the people who have been here a long times used to be either Abit or Asus fans...but neither company has made anything good for a long time.
I wonder why you would bother coming here for advice when you have so much expertise...if you can fix what is wrong with an Asus board, you could just build a mainboard from parts. You must be an extremely talented electronics engineer with better soldering skills than anyone else here...because the first step in fixing an Asus board is to replace the PCB itself.
Good luck with the a-data ram...I never had any luck with their ram.
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8. December 2009 @ 07:36 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug: Most of the people who have been here a long times used to be either Abit or Asus fans...but neither company has made anything good for a long time.
I wonder why you would bother coming here for advice when you have so much expertise...if you can fix what is wrong with an Asus board, you could just build a mainboard from parts. You must be an extremely talented electronics engineer with better soldering skills than anyone else here...because the first step in fixing an Asus board is to replace the PCB itself.
Good luck with the a-data ram...I never had any luck with their ram.
Did you read my post above? I answered there to your first rhetoric question, in a quite reasonable manner.
As i said earlier, i should have put more info on the opening post but not having done it justifies your verbal attack how? Even after i explained and said that i'm aware i should had done it better
If i find out asus sucks/a-data is horrible, i will not buy them again. As i said in my earlier post, i was merely wondering if the main points ive selected is somewhat ok. Like is the p55 chipset itself is worth it and stuff like that.
by asus's tricks i just meant the general errors that can be solved by just resetting cmos or something as simple. And overall my experience with p5q pro was that good, it convinced me that asus is good.
Mostly it's more about being used to having asus board than knowing how to fix the few problems i've ever encountered.
as for what goes with my current build, i do not have a build, thats also the reason why i ordered this so fast. I've been using my cellphone and my very old laptop for posting in this thread. I should had mentioned that too. Overall, try not to take this so aggressively.
and if i'm unhappy with my asus i'll let you know, so you'll have your "victory". I doubt that i'll need to do so though.
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9. December 2009 @ 00:07 |
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Originally posted by telase: and if i'm unhappy with my asus i'll let you know, so you'll have your "victory". I doubt that i'll need to do so though.
It won't be my victory; it will be asus's & A-Data's victory, in fact it already is. They cut production quality to save a few cents per board, and as long as people keep buying these parts, they win.
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9. December 2009 @ 18:37 |
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Originally posted by telase: by asus's tricks i just meant the general errors that can be solved by just resetting cmos or something as simple.
These general errors, are quite general in that the type of errors needing cmos clear are rather universal as is the process for resetting your cmos.
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10. December 2009 @ 16:23 |
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You guys sound like my ex-wife. She would always get pissed if I didn't take her advice. :)
I take the advice I receive here and toss it into a pot with information garnered from multiple sources. I stir it well and then make what I hope to be an informed decision. If the decision I make is wrong I hopefully learn from it and move on.
If we berate people who don't take our advice we discourage others from asking similar questions. If we snipe at each other we just look petty.
I am all in favor of constructive criticism, but I try to take my mother's advice not to bite those I disagree with. ;)
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Originally posted by k7vc: You guys sound like my ex-wife. She would always get pissed if I didn't take her advice. :)
I take the advice I receive here and toss it into a pot with information garnered from multiple sources. I stir it well and then make what I hope to be an informed decision. If the decision I make is wrong I hopefully learn from it and move on.
If we berate people who don't take our advice we discourage others from asking similar questions. If we snipe at each other we just look petty.
I am all in favor of constructive criticism, but I try to take my mother's advice not to bite those I disagree with. ;)
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Well Im not pissed in the least.
Hell come to think of it, if he want to cheap out on parts he may as well have gotten a prebuilt.
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10. December 2009 @ 21:08 |
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Viewpoint 1: It's fine to say someone should buy something other than Asus before they've bought it, but after that point, you can't really tell them to take it back if it works (for now).
Viewpoint 2: People who do actually build systems before asking if they're any good make me rage.
Ultimately, we can only recommend that you stay away from companies that make dodgy products. The problem is, so many people will outright refuse to budge on the whole 'Asus are awesome' or, insert any company name in Asus' place. Sadly, Asus ride on the reputation of their past products, before they drastically cut the quality of their manufacture. Until all their die-hard fans are swayed, they have nothing to worry about, they can pump out dodgy boards all day and reap the rewards from people who buy twice as many replacement boards after the 1-year warranties expire.
Or, you can save yourself the time of taking them back time and time again by buying from a better brand. Your choice.
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11. December 2009 @ 02:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: Viewpoint 1: It's fine to say someone should buy something other than Asus before they've bought it, but after that point, you can't really tell them to take it back if it works (for now).
Viewpoint 2: People who do actually build systems before asking if they're any good make me rage.
Ultimately, we can only recommend that you stay away from companies that make dodgy products. The problem is, so many people will outright refuse to budge on the whole 'Asus are awesome' or, insert any company name in Asus' place. Sadly, Asus ride on the reputation of their past products, before they drastically cut the quality of their manufacture. Until all their die-hard fans are swayed, they have nothing to worry about, they can pump out dodgy boards all day and reap the rewards from people who buy twice as many replacement boards after the 1-year warranties expire.
Or, you can save yourself the time of taking them back time and time again by buying from a better brand. Your choice.
At least when Abit stopped making good boards, they did us the curtousy of killing off the ATX line, and sticking to super-econo-boards for sub-$400 OEM boxes. I wonder how long before Gigabyte and Evga go the way of Asus and Abit.
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11. December 2009 @ 07:10 |
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I would have thought that mainly had something to do with the fact they were going bankrupt, not because they had a downturn in quality...
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11. December 2009 @ 09:02 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: I would have thought that mainly had something to do with the fact they were going bankrupt, not because they had a downturn in quality...
Actualy it was because they got bought out by some company that thought it would be a good idea to compete with PCchips...they killed of the high-end line and all the ATX boards, and started buying used components...but doing that destroyed the quality. OEMs may want cheap components, but they don't want to have to pay techs to replace parts over and over...this is what finally put Abit out of business...when PCchips is making better boards, you deserve to go out of business.
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11. December 2009 @ 09:47 |
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True that, though being bought out isn't usually a sign of good financial health anyway.
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12. December 2009 @ 00:47 |
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I would take these peoples advise and stay away from Asus.
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