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shuboy00

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11. January 2007 @ 07:43

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@Lp531

Thanks Bro! I will view them all now and shop around to see if i can find a better price for what you drew up for me!

Appreciate it!

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forumcrew

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11. January 2007 @ 09:37

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Was playing vanguard and my computer crashed. (first the screen got all messed up with colored horizontal lines all over) This has happened before and generaly jsut restart and its all good. This time the computer wont start. Everything turns on ecept the screen just stays black. Is the video card fried? I had just ordered a new 7950GT anyway but wanna make sure this is gonna take care of it.

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herrick

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11. January 2007 @ 22:58

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to all, views or thoughts on this case- Im ready to by now, but thought I would run this by ya... and yes I need 5 bays- please also look at my sig. will this work, it has less fans compared to what I have now but it is a bigger case and should move the air better then what I have.

http://www.xoxide.com/thermaltake-armor-case-black.html

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Win. 7/Case- Thermaltake Armor11 bays "full case"-with side fan panel... removed stock fans replaced with SCYTHE 92mm 2ea. and SCYTHE/s-flex sff21f 120mm 2ea./ sunbeam 4 fan controller/Processor-Intel Core2Duo E6850 3.0 w/ Zalman CNPS7700-CU cooler/motherboard-Asus P5N32-E SLI p680I/PSU-Cooler Master RS 850 watt real power pro sli/Sound Card-Creative Sound Blaster X-FI FATAL1ty/Cables-Thermaltake Rounded IDE ATA & ATA2/Memory- 4 Gig Corsair XMS 800 MH/HDD-1ea. WD 300GB 10K VelociRaptor Sata-1ea.WD 320GB 7200rpm Sata/Drives- 2ea. Benq 1655 [Rev.BCDB]2ea.LG GH24NS70[rev.GN00]/52in1 card reader&Writer&USB/ Video cards- 1ea. EVGA Gforce Nvida GTX 550Ti /Monitors- 2ea. ACER AL2017 LCD 20 in. ea/Printer-

greensman

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11. January 2007 @ 23:43

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herrick,
Thats a BADA$$ case. Man you got 2 HDD and 4 Opticals to go into that bad boy and SLi to boot. I'm like cincyrob now, got computer envy!!

Got my friend's computer together tonight but gotta finish loading OS tomorrow, I need some sleep. lol.

.........c

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herrick

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11. January 2007 @ 23:50

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@ greensman

Glad you replied I was looking for that printer epson 340...went to that link and it was gone? man I really want a printer that prints on disks-

as for that case will I be able to put the follow into it
1. 3 burner
2. 1 sound blaster x-fi fatal `1ty [ it uses a 5.25 bay for controls
3. a 5.25 fan and acc. controler

I read the spec and it stated 10 ea 5.25 bays but I see the fans? the most important thing is will I beable to use at least 5 bays

thanks for your fast relpy....tax time next the AMD optron 185 it they are still around, got to get my taxes done ASAP zoom, zoom, soon!

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shuboy00

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12. January 2007 @ 05:44

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@Herrick
I like that case. I think you can find it for a better price though...Dont know about the specs you were looking for as far as bays, but im sure they can fit in there.

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herrick

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12. January 2007 @ 10:38

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@ shuboy00

That is the cheapest so far, looked at a couple of place- Im just waiting for someone to say YEP...all of the above will fit- the specs and picture with the fans kinda confused me...

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greensman

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12. January 2007 @ 14:37

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herrick,
I'll be honest with you, I've never worked with that case but I would assume (bad thing..lol) that the lower bays are behind the fans and shouldn't be a problem if you install HDD in the lower section. Are you gonna put a Floppy in there? In today's market it is almost obsolete but hey to each his/her own. It looks like from the pictures and from what I can find online it should meet your requirements and it looks like that is the best price as well. I know that you went to all sites and searched.

Here's a pretty good breakdown of the case and its features from Thermaltake's website.

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/armor_extreme_edition/va8004bws.html

Man good luck with this and let me know how it goes. I'm really gettin the bug now with my buddy here in town and my buddies online gettin new stuff. :)

.........c

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herrick

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12. January 2007 @ 15:13

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@ greensman

Thanks brother... I Appreciate all your input...cant waite- I purchused the case and the sound blaster Fatal 1 ty sound card.

Now I need a printer that prints on disks, been looken, ai'nt had much luck- I will cry now...

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greensman

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12. January 2007 @ 15:26

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herrick,
lmao........A big man shouldn't cry over a printer, it'll make the pics streaky and smudgy. lol.

Excited for you let me know how it's going with the new build........

.........c

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cincyrob

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12. January 2007 @ 17:40

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did i hear my name??lol computer envy isnt the word for it.... i want to build a dream machine but dont have donald trumps money to do it..lol if i was smart(and i said if i was) i would have saved all my baseball cards and traded them in on a system..lol...

herrick that case is sweet. 10 bays man thats smokin... i dont need one that big just 4 would be fine for me let me do some real nice multie burning... but id say your gonna go for the gaming part of it huh?

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herrick

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12. January 2007 @ 17:53

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@ cincyrob

Ya- Im tryen to build in three different worlds, burning, gaming, and many projects I get into at work. I really dont have the money...single, no kids and no one in my life at this time make it possable, Ive been blessed and had several ministies donate to the cause in the beginning- And my bonus checks at the end of the years helps also LOL...I dont even eat at home, my job has an kitchen that feeds hundreds of people a day. If I can get my taxes done the CPU is next [optron 185] hopfully... The rest Ill leave up to you guys to help me...this should be a nice build... not bad now but needs alittle more work... Video cards got to go also.

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greensman

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12. January 2007 @ 19:13

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herrick,
Shoot man, send those video cards my way. lol. If you remember I'm still runnin an ATi Radeon 9250 4X AGP. They still sell them and I don't know why. Almost anything would be an upgrade for me. Thank goodness I don't do any real gaming. I have a ps2 and a GameCube for the games that I do play. lol. I use my machines for surfing and DVD stuff.

............c

I just looked at your sig herrick and if that cpu is 939 socket, send that badboy along with the video cards and I'll save a little longer on my next system. roflmao NOW. It's so funny, ones man's toss-a-way is another man's lustiness.

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herrick

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12. January 2007 @ 19:59

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Ya- my friend has had some nice stuff...I dont do alot of my own building...He gets my hand me downs and he does most of the work, But after this build- he will start to be bumed, Im going to try and do it myself and with the help of you guys next build... I feel and have had the faith now that between the two Ill be alright.

And yes the Asus A8n32-SLI Deluxe is a 939 socket, that why I am hoping to get that Optron 185, the cooler I have on this CPU should fit the 185 also.

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Mort81

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13. January 2007 @ 04:17

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shuboy00,

I agree with Lp531, an intel core 2 duo is the way to go if you're building from the ground up. A stock E6600 will outperform an AMD opty 185 and is less money. You will need some DDR2 memory. This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145034 is very good and highly recommended. Lifetime warranty and works well if you plan to OC. I can still run mine at 4-4-4-12 @ 838 mhz and my pc OC'ed to 3.0 ghz (2.4 ghz is stock).

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Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435

greensman

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13. January 2007 @ 07:05

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Mort81,
Good to see you spreading your knowledge around. Your thinking that for the money and 'power' an Intel (conroe?) is the way right now. I'm looking at something probably early next year and need to have my mind in the right place for the build. I've had 4-5 computers (work and home) in the last 3 years and the Intel's for some reason are a little ahead of the AMD's. Not a FANBOY of either as I've said before but with your input and the performance for the $$$$ Intel is looking more attractive. Looking forward to your wisdom again.

..........c

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Mort81

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13. January 2007 @ 07:22

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greensman,

I'm not really per say a fanboy of either. I just know that Intel has the edge as of right now. 6 months ago I would have recommended AMD. This E6600 when it was stock (2.4 ghz) was twice as fast as my P4 3.4 ghz OC'ed to 3.6 ghz. You can imagine what it is like OC'ed to 3.0 ghz. I was going to OC it to 3.2 ghz or 3.4 ghz but it's so fast now I really don't know that it would really be beneficial. I'll probably bump it up some more eventually.

My vcore voltage is at the top end of specs now and to go any higher I would need to raise it above spec, which really wouldn't hurt anything as long as my cooling is adequate and it should be with my zalman cnps9500 hsf.

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Ichigo100

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13. January 2007 @ 15:55

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I'm concerend about weither or not I'll have enough power outlets to power a Antec Nine Hundred case with a Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU Cooling Fan with 1 opitcal drive that is an E-IDE and two hard drives that are E-IDE. The mobo is a ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP thats powered by a OCZ GameXStream OCZ600GXSSLI ATX12V 600W. I'm not sure if I can plug stuff into the board it self or if it all comes form the PSU. Yeah I'm new to building PCs, thanks for all the help on the small stuff.

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Mort81

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13. January 2007 @ 17:38

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Ichigo100,

Do you already have the IDE hdd's? Reason I ask is because that mobo will accomodate 3 SATA/SATA2 hdd's and SATA has faster data transfer than IDE. Save your IDE connectors for optical drives.

All the drives will directly power up from the PSU. The CPU fan should get it's power from the cpu fan connector on the motherboard. There are 4 three pin connectors for case/auxilary fans on that motherboard. 2 labeled as cha fan and 2 labeled as pwr fan. You can dowload the owners manual for that mobo here http://support.asus.com/download/downloa...W%20DH%20Deluxe

Good choice on that mobo BTW. What CPU, GPU, and memory do you intend on using?

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Ichigo100

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13. January 2007 @ 19:19

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I already have the HDDs. I'll get a SATA drive down the road most likely. Thanks for the link to the manual. I was pretty sure you could connect fans to the motherboard but I couldn't see any connecting ports from the pictures. My memory is OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400), it's pretty expensive but I love the look and I'm sure it'll last me a long time. My GPU is a Readon X1600 Pro. Not on the high end at all. But then again I'm not into games really. I'm sure I'll play most games I want to with out a problem. I also like how when ATI get's Crossfire on Linux it won't cost much to buy the second GPU. Basically I know GPUs are always getting better so I just got something good enough to last me a little while to the high end ones become cheaper. Oh yeah, and my CPU is Core 2 Duo E6600. Very nice price that can be OC pretty well from what I've read. I basically setting my self up for a very good ATI setup that will be good to learn how to OC on.

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shuboy00

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14. January 2007 @ 10:27

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@Mort81

Thanks for the input. What if I don't know anything about overclockin and all that? Would that E6600 still be the way to go?

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taz1974

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14. January 2007 @ 14:28

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lp531

im trying to locate some sata cables with a power plug on it. a one in all type thing. less cables to deal with. ive been searching through a few sites but have not had any luck finding this cable. i found one but i was hoping for a round cable or a colored cable to go with my color scheme that ill becoming up with soon. do you happen to know where i might find a set of these cables at? any help would be great.

i also have a question about the processor i want to get. i have been looking around and compairing prices. some places have the processor but they also have another processor that is the same but has a different number on it. the one with the extra number cost alittle more. this is what i am wanting. AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4200+ socket AM2. But i see ones with all that stuff and then something added like this. AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core 4200+ socket AM2 (89W)or a (65W). it called thermal power. What do these numbers (89W) (65W) mean and are they better to have on the processor. is it better to have the higher number or the lower number?
whats your knowlegde on this.

thanks

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Mort81

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15. January 2007 @ 03:36

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shuboy00,

I can't say from personal experience (I don't have an AMD system) but do know from good sorces that do have both high end AMD X2 systems and high end Intel core 2 duo systems that the stock core 2 duo's will outperform the AMD dual core's. One sorce has both an AMD opteron 185 and a core 2 duo E6600 and he told me that the E6600 stock will walk all over the opty 185. You don't have to take my word for it though. Go with whatever you're comfortable with.

My old pc was a northwood P4 3.4 ghz (@ 3.6 ghz) w/800 fsb and hyperthreading and 2 gb corsair XMS DDR PC3200 dual channel memory. My E6600 stock (2.4 ghz) was twice as fast as it was. You can only imagine how fast it is at 3.0 ghz. I intend on bumping it up some more later.

My pc cost me about $1300 but I carried over my optical drives from my old pc and already had the monitor.

taz,

Even if you do find a SATA cable with only one connector on the hdd end it will split into two cables because you have to get the power from the psu. Western Digital makes some SATA hdd's with both a SATA power connector and the std molex power connector. Most psu's anymore come with some SATA power connectors or at least some SATA power connector adaptors.

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greensman

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15. January 2007 @ 05:22

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On the same page as Mort81 here on the SATA cables. The rig I just built for my buddy (AMD Opty 175) Mobo came with SATA, IDE, and other cables. I don't see any reason to get an all-in-one cable for that just like Mort81 said 'they have to be split anyway to connect to the mobo and psu' or something like that. lol. I just folded it gently to length and zip-tied it at that length, looks nice and created more room for air.

Mort81,
I wish I had chatted with you before I let my buddy chose his components. I think he could have gotten a much "better" rig for about the same money with an Intel duo-core. Not knocking the AMD but from what you said I'm really curious about the new Intel stuff.

I now have serious computer envy. Even that Opty 175 smokes my poor little 2.0GHz 3200+ AMD 939. LOL. Told (well asked really) my wife that next year or early 2008 gonna build something better with more POWER....herhhh, herhhh, herhhh.....

Just for conversation. What do you think about the E6400 or E6300 duo-core? I might even be able to get something earlier if they pass the "Mort81 TEST". Thanks for educating us Mort81.

...........c

edit: OOPS put the wrong specs for my PC....lol

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Mort81

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15. January 2007 @ 06:49

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Don't get me wrong, the AMD dual cores are fast, Intel core 2 duo just has the edge right now with their technology. You can get more bang for the buck with Intel right now. Only disadvantage is you will also have to get some DDR2 memory which really isn't a bad thing either since the memory, depending on what you get, is twice as fast. Example: DDR PC3200 is 400 mhz where DDR2 PC2 6400 is 800 mhz.

Concerning clutter with cables I opted to go with a modular psu. That way I don't have anything in there except what I absoltely need power cabling wise. I chose to go with a hiper 580, 630 watt max modular psu with gold plated aeronautical connectors. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817128001

There are more powerful modular psu's but this suited my needs just fine since I don't intend on running SLI or crossfire and only use 2 optical drives along with 2 SATA hdd's. I like how the rear fan on the psu stays running for about 5 minutes after the pc is shut down. The blue leds on both fans isn't bad either since they match the leds on my zalman 9500led and front led on my case.

I'm not big into all the lights but liked the cooler master mystique case and since the cpu HSF already had leds, why not get some on the PSU to match.

The reasons I chose the E6600 over the E6400 or 6300, obviously the E6600 is a faster cpu but the main reason is because of the jump from 2M shared L2 cache on the 6400 and under to 4M shared L2 cache on the 6600 and up.

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