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The Official OC (OverClocking) Thread!
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8. May 2007 @ 12:34 |
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@humzaSM
The water cooling I'm using on my systems is as follows:
Asus P5WDH:
Laing D5 Vario Pump.
Alphacool NexXxos Xtreme III Radiator
Swiftech Storm 4 CPU Block
Danger Den NV 68 GPU Block
MasterKleer 7/16" Tubing
XSPC 300mm Passive Aluminium Reservoir
MCT-40 Fluid
Asus P5B Deluxe:
Laing D5 Vario Pump
ThermoChill PA120.3 Radiator
EK FC79 GPU Waterblock with Reg Cooler
Swiftech MCW-30 Chipset Block
EK NB 1 Mosfet Block
MasterKleer 7/16" Tubing
XSPC 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir
Danger Den Filler Port
Feser One UV Blue Fluid
No Water-Cooling on this CPU as it's awaiting a phase cooler.
@tinytom
Most reseller are either unable or unwilling to tell you what batch number CPU you will get.
You are however more likely to get a batch number from a smaller reseller, but you'll pay more for it.
After that, its really just luck of the drwa as to what you get, but as seen on that E6600 you listed it is possible to get a very good one.
Best thing is to find out where and when it was bought and try to get one from the same place quickly.
The downside to not getting one thats so good, is that it just isn't capable of the extra high speeds that some others are.
Although you may well get a good CPU for OC'ing unless you look after it and pay the money to keep it cool, then you may as well just get an average one, you'll still be able to OC it very well from 2.4 up to and past 3.0GHz.
Its not always about the CPU, you'l need a good board and parts to get it up to that level.
I know plenty of people that have been through 6+ E6600's looking for a great OCer, some people do it first time, others never do.
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8. May 2007 @ 12:51 |
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Basically you need a radiator, you can either go passive or active, the latter has fans fitted to it to actively pass air through it and cool it down, the passive ones rely on radiation of heat and aren't as effective.
You can go for a single, double or triple radiator, but to make it as effective as possible you'll also need that amount of 12cm fans (1-2 or 3)
Next in the system a reservoir to fill the system and to enable you to top it up with fluid, you can use internal mounted, extrenal mounted or drive bay mounted.
The latter again is the best for keeping it out the way (if you have enough drive bays to spare one for the reservoir.
You'll need a pump, the Swiftechs are actually rebranded laing Pumps (at least they are in the UK), they are reliable and very low noise.
The Swiftech CPU block is very good comes with all the bits and are very easy to install.
The Chipset block is again easy to fit and very effective at removing heat.
To fit to the P5B you need to cut a bit off one of the mounting brackets, and I mage up my own threaded rods, springs and screws out of spare bits (that could be an issue for you)
Obviously every part you add will have an input and an output, so will need 2 1/2" barbs with G1/4" threads, some items are listed as coming with them complete (you may have to state the size when you order) others will have no barbs with them, in which case depending on what parts you go for, you'l need to order those barbs I described.
All those parts I listed would give you a similar setup to mine on the P5B, with the execption that I am not using a CPU water block and have added the Mosfet block to the system.
I'll have more time tomorrow to go through things, but i need to fly off now.
Hope this helps
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pszczoll
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8. May 2007 @ 12:59 |
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Yes it did. Thank you Sir. Im gonna read about water cooling , to get some info about it and it structure.
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humzaSM
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8. May 2007 @ 13:29 |
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phase cooling is where water vapour is used to cool the cpu right? is it better than water cooling?
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8. May 2007 @ 14:02 |
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phase cooling is where a refridgerant is used like with air conditioners, refridgerators, and freezers.
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8. May 2007 @ 14:24 |
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A Dell and the model is 0UW457
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8. May 2007 @ 20:37 |
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@ Mort81 & BigDK;
What are the step codes on the known good E6600 you mention earlier in tread? I Got another dated Feb 12, 2007. boxed core , stepping : SL(ZL and version no. L640A818. What do or have you guys heard about these batches and revision?
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9. May 2007 @ 00:43 |
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L640 onwards is when the production was moved to Malaysia.
That's also when tighter quality controls came into place, and thus the potential for overclocking went down.
In other words, you are very unlikely to have a Very Good overclocker there.
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humzaSM
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9. May 2007 @ 03:15 |
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anyone now any good phase cooling kits for the cpu and where to get them from i cant find any
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9. May 2007 @ 07:36 |
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UK or US for the phase cooler?
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humzaSM
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9. May 2007 @ 11:31 |
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9. May 2007 @ 12:03 |
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I would like to recommend the place I bought mine, but as its been 45 days from when it was ordered, I'm finding it hard to do it.
I've heard tales of ribbon cables shipping from the US, and couriers that have long holidays, all of which are probably true, but it doesn't change the fact that I paid £510 for it 1 1/2 months ago and have sweet FA for it.
Again I'v been promised it will be shipping this week, but thats not the first promise of shipping I've had.
All that to one side, the system spec beats the crap out of the Vapochill units, and I'm 100% positive that when it arrives it will be worth the wait.
If you hold on for a week or so, it should be fitted and tested, and then I can advise on buying one of them.
As far as I know there are only 2 places to got it, thats eBay and the place I bought mine.
Presuming all goes well, I would advise having a chat pre-ordering one, and explain you have been directed by me, but would need some concrete timescale for a delivery if you place an order.
Normal timescale should be 15-21 days.
I would advise against a Vapochill unit though, as they are pretty crap compared to these units.
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9. May 2007 @ 12:07 |
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P.S.
Failing that, you can always give me your CPU to look after and stress to it's limits:)
Like I said, Lucky Man!
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9. May 2007 @ 12:14 |
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Most reseller are either unable or unwilling to tell you what batch number CPU you will get.
You are however more likely to get a batch number from a smaller reseller, but you'll pay more for it.
Its not always about the CPU, you'l need a good board and parts to get it up to that level.
I know plenty of people that have been through 6+ E6600's looking for a great OCer, some people do it first time, others never do.[/quote]
Ive got a Asus Comando now and a Freezer 7 on the way to try, but may well get water if that isnt up to the job. Ive got about another £500 to spend in total but really do want to try and get a good Over clocker as Im looking for 3.6 minimum!
Asus Comando mobo, Q6600 G0, 2gig Corsair Dominator PC8500 1066mhz, Nvidia 7600GS sonic 256mb, Modded-Thermaltake Bach VX with custom fan and air tunnel, 750w thermaltake modular PSU, 37gb Rapter, 3x baracuda 500gig, 1x baracuda 750gig, 22" Asus MW221u w/s, Creative S750 Gigaworks 7.1 surround
2x Laing DDC Ultras with custom tops, 2xBlack Ice GT 360mm Rads with 6x Xilence120mm fans, D-tek fuzion CPU block, EK nb/sb/gpu and both sets of mosfets water blocks, 2x 250ml reservoirss, full 1/2" tubing set up.
Watercooled Xbox360 too......!
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9. May 2007 @ 12:40 |
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The mobo is extremely good as you will already know.
For 3.6 and above you'll be needing 400+ FSB.
That's why I've ended up with Dominator 8500 memory, so that I can take it out of the equation when OC'ing the system.
The only other option you can use for confirmed batch numbers is to use eBay, as you can probably get the seller to confirm the batch number and serial number before buying it.
Obviously use the usual caution on eBay, and remember that as a grey market item you won't get the usual warranty from Intel, but then again, if you OC the crap out of it and fry it, you won?t get a warranty anyway.
There is a seller with the following batch number listed at the moment:
L639A266
Having then done a quick search, I found the following.
Forum member pasatoiutd within this following tread has that batch listed as 3.6-3.8 on 1.33-1.50 V.
http://www.crazypc.ro/forum/archive/index.php/t-6018.html
You'll need to remember that those figures are only as reliable as anything else from an unconfirmed source on the internet, but it's a place to start.
I'm quoting that one, as the seller has already been asked the question and answered, there could be others better, you?d need to either grab one or keep looking.
As said before, avoid Week 40 onwards.
One last point:
You could also get one of the same batch, and still not get as high (unlikely on your board) but possible.
Nothing is set in stone with overclocking, sometimes it is just luck of the draw.
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9. May 2007 @ 12:46 |
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ok will you be telling me where you got it from and the name of it?
if i sent you my cpu would you be able to find the highest right OC settings for it?
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9. May 2007 @ 13:55 |
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I'm getting the Chilly1 Extreme unit from chilled PC.
Everything else I bought there has been fine, and the seller gets the units made for him.
Unlike Vapochill LS which uses Danfoss compressors, they are the FR8.5CL (1/4HP 8cc displacement) the Chilly1 is using the Danfoss NL11F compressor which is (1/3HP 11cc displacement) this is generally regarded as the best compressor for the job and a lot quieter than the Vapochill version.
The Vapochill LS uses R507 gas which works nice and cold, but the R402a will apparently beat it by about 5%, they will also put a mixed blend in for you as well if you need it.
The Chilly1 head gives far better temps as it fits better, and with the air tight seal it uses, it eliminates the need for thermal grease and heat pads.
The controller it uses is the Golden Froster XE1.6
It has graceful shutdown, which allows for a BIOS reset when an OC goes wrong, apparently the Vapochill LS controller will just do a full shut down, and then when the system re-boots you get no cooling.
The V LS also has the reputation of giving totally false temp readings, which the Chilly1 doesn?t.
As for testing your CPU, I was only joking about using it, although I could quite happily use it for you instead of my one.
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9. May 2007 @ 16:56 |
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sorry but, dells dont support any overclocking options.
you may find a hacked bios that might let you but failing that something like clockgen might work.
never really used it so i cant give much advice on it.
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10. May 2007 @ 09:06 |
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Originally posted by BigDK:
The mobo is extremely good as you will already know.
For 3.6 and above you'll be needing 400+ FSB.
That's why I've ended up with Dominator 8500 memory, so that I can take it out of the equation when OC'ing the system.
As said before, avoid Week 40 onwards.
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How do I know what serial relate to which date or is there a build date and week number on the box? Id just rather spend the same ammount of money and get a better cpu than a bad one for the same money.....?
Is it worth spending alot of money getting very good ram then? If so what would you suggest? I would be looking at getting 2 1gig sticks to start with and maybe 2more at a later date?
Asus Comando mobo, Q6600 G0, 2gig Corsair Dominator PC8500 1066mhz, Nvidia 7600GS sonic 256mb, Modded-Thermaltake Bach VX with custom fan and air tunnel, 750w thermaltake modular PSU, 37gb Rapter, 3x baracuda 500gig, 1x baracuda 750gig, 22" Asus MW221u w/s, Creative S750 Gigaworks 7.1 surround
2x Laing DDC Ultras with custom tops, 2xBlack Ice GT 360mm Rads with 6x Xilence120mm fans, D-tek fuzion CPU block, EK nb/sb/gpu and both sets of mosfets water blocks, 2x 250ml reservoirss, full 1/2" tubing set up.
Watercooled Xbox360 too......!
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10. May 2007 @ 12:52 |
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"something like clockgen might work."
This works on a few select chipset and motherboards. Most top end Dells (Gamer or media center PC) used ASUS OEM or Intel Ref. mobos so chances are good to run ClockGen. However, ClockGen is a Windows baced app to manipulate certain FSB, and RAM settings. It cannot adjust for multiplyer or RAM timings or any vcore so adjusting FSB up is gonna max out where the components cannot keep up anymore. If You have good RAM with SPD set loose timings, then you may be good for a 10+ % on any ASUS and some Intel. Cause you cannot adjust the mobo in any way to help this OC. PCI/PCI-E and speed Spectrum will be linked.
But I have used this in the past on the !875P/!865P with fair results. Can't speak for the !955x/!975X as of today. The !975X is still Intels best high end (even if slightly older) stable chipset till the new series comes out to disproove this. The !965's are speed binned from rejected !975's so they too should be fine to ClockGen alte.
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10. May 2007 @ 14:04 |
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BigDK
anyway thanks i think ill just get the NB and SB fans along with 2 120mm fans for the case and water cooling system.
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10. May 2007 @ 20:03 |
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How important is having 8500 vs. 6400 RAM when OC your systme? I will have a E6600 and most likely a Asus P5W DH for a mobo. This would be my first OC so I probably won't try and push it too far, ~3.6Ghz.
Also, has anyone bought an E6600 recently and gotten a good batch/week?
Thanks.
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10. May 2007 @ 20:05 |
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Can't say much about 6600s, but I've managed 67% on my E4300 using PC6400, so as long as you get good brand stuff, it being PC6400 shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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10. May 2007 @ 22:05 |
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sammorris,
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Can't say much about 6600s, but I've managed 67% on my E4300 using PC6400
I've gotten to 82% with my E4300 using 6400 memory, but my memory is still slightly underclocked. I think most of this is because the first chipset ported to the Conroe was the 965-P Express which my MB has. I suspect that when Asus gets all the kinks out with a future bios revision, yours will do the same or even better. The 965-P has about a 6 month advantage in development time. Everyone seemed to be going through the same sort of problems back then, that the nVidia is going through now when the Conroes first hit the market. I think it's strictly a matter of the nVidias needing more development time. They still haven't been able to make the memory run properly in slots 1 & 3 yet. They had somewhat the same problem with the 965-P as often they wouldn't boot with 2 memory sticks in them and had to pull one so it would boot up. I still think that the 650i chipset will be the better chip in the end. It's ability to independently (sort of) control the memory speed is a huge plus. It's much more difficult to get any particular ratio with the memory on a 965-PE MB as you are limited by the multiplier only. I also think that that particular feature of the 650i chipset is what causes so many of the "black holes" at different speeds.
The basic design of the P5N-E was very successful when it first came out and I'm sure that it will be again in the not too distant future. I don't think any of the motherboard manufacturers considered the possibility of 50% or greater overclocks with the C2D. Before the C2D there were very few CPUs that would overclock that high, the D-805 comes to mind, and Intel upped it's multiplier to do it. I think the board makers were more than likely told what to expect, but in a very general way I don't really think they believed it would be the performance level of today. I know this is the first processor I ever started out expecting a 70% OC at the bare minimum. When I built my 3.0 P4 I was looking for 20% at 3.6 and was very happy with 25% at 3.74. With the D-940 I hit 19%. If you want a perspective, at 3.71 overclocked from 3.20 stock, the D-940 runs at the same speed that the C2D runs at stock, about 16,000 mips! My C2D cranked up 82% is twice as fast and and will still run faster at 3.993! I'm not that brave when it comes to pushing the voltage past 1.4, especially when you are already over Intel's recommended voltage by about 2/3 of a volt at 1.4.
Even watercooling won't solve my particular problem as the core voltages get right up to 63 to 65C, but also fluctuate wildly doing it. The thermal cap on the CPU apparently can't transfer the heat fast enough to the CPU cooler, so you get a 10 to 12C higher temp at the cores than you get at the CPU. It's only removing the heat that's getting transfered from the cap Not good! At it's present voltage, the difference is only 3C and the heat much easier to control. It's about 26C in here right now and my CPU is idling at 27-28C and the MB is at 35-36C. HSF is running at 800 to 1000 rpm, and it's very quiet, even by your standards.
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. May 2007 @ 23:41 |
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"How important is having 8500 vs. 6400 RAM when OC your systme?"
If not gonna push too far then quality 6400 w/ good timings of 3-4-3-9 would be great. Some faster DDR1000 @ 5-4-4-9 is able to tighten up to 3-3-3-8 w/ extra volts. I had lesser expensive DDR800 hit 1066 w/ the typical 5-5-5-12. But takes some tweeking. Not too little overclockers even utilize the potential 1:1 bandwidth of DDR800 (needing an FSB of 400x) let alone DDR1000 or 1066. On the older 955X, DDR1066 was cool with the D' at 1:2 ratio. I did that for a bit on my D840 at 266x15 1:2 DDR1066
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ASUS RAMPAGE II EXTREME(X58) w/ i7 930 DO @ 4.305GHz (205x21 @ 1.323v) 2:8 DDR1680 @ 6-6-6-18
ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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