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PacMan777
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10. January 2007 @ 23:38 |
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By the way, I noticed a 22" Samsung that appears to have the same specs for about $380 shipped.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001083
That should be about the low end pricing on your Viewsonic. (Again no ipod, lol.) Out of curiosity, where did you get your monitor and how much did it run?
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PacMan777
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10. January 2007 @ 23:44 |
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Well I found out what the penalty for turning off Automatic Updates in XP is! Microsoft cripples your security!
What security? Hackers have found more holes in microsoft than a sieve. I always use something other than Windows for security.
I have auto updates, I just don't let it install automatically. That way I still screen the updates. I don't always use all of them.
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11. January 2007 @ 01:24 |
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Well, what has really bugged the crap out of me recently is the autoupdate. It will install and then ask me to restart about a gazillion times every hour.
Dammit, If I want to restart I will but don't keep bothering me about it.
Question. Is the Pentium EE 3.46GHz any faster than a D9xx at the same speed? Does the inclusion of hyper threading really make a difference?
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11. January 2007 @ 01:51 |
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I rather suspect the no-auto-update-causes-no-security has something to do with the new programs like ie7, which MS is forcing everyone to download whether they like it or not.
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11. January 2007 @ 08:56 |
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PacMan777, i am trading an VP-201b 20.1 " at my local PC shop for the new View Sonic-VX2245wm 22" Widescreen , its going to work out to about 450.00 retail if i was going to buy it straight out. i wasn't going to get a widescreen being i thought i would lose height but it turns out that i will only lose less than a quarter inch in height compare to the 4x3 format BUT gain about 3 inches from side to side so i hope i like the widescreen format. i am getting it fri. or sat.
http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdis...eries/vx2245wm/
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11. January 2007 @ 09:34 |
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If this reassures you I was a bit sceptical when I moved from a 19" CRT to a 24" LCD whether I'd like widescreen but I swear by it now, it's so much better, you'll love it. It seems a bit of a small upgrade from an excellent 201b to a 22" wide, but then I did recently upgrade from a Dell 2407 to a 3007!
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11. January 2007 @ 10:54 |
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You're not taking too much of a loss with the trade. Circuit city is (or were) selling the model you're getting for about $370 US. It just depends on how much value you place in your current model. If getting a new one (without trade), I'd check with someone like Circuit City first. Overall that's about $80 more you're paying. Of course that would be shipping costs from Circuit City if you ordered online. If the local Circuit City didn't have one, I'd ask if they could pick one up.
I think you'll like the widescreen format, most people do. Be sure to have your resolution set properly for the monitor.
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11. January 2007 @ 10:59 |
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Yeah, before you make the switch, drop your resolution to 1280x1024. Otherwise you'll have to run VGA safe mode and reset the resolution or suffer an "out of range". You can then up to 1680x1050 afterwards.
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11. January 2007 @ 11:13 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
In all fairness, the 9500 is an excellent cooler, and I don't think Russ is saying otherwise, but in his opinion (and mine) the Freezer seems a better idea, and it doesn't surprise me, based on the stats and some benchmarks that it'd be near the top if not as good as the Zalman. With regard to premade PCs, there are sites that let you custom make a PC (I think Ibuypower is one of them) using a selection of parts you choose, then put it together for a fee. Some places charge you a fortune, but if you do what I did, you eventually find somewhere that aska a very minimal assembly fee. Granted the components cost slightly more than a big wholesaler but you get a reasonable deal. My system was £1200+a £50 assembly fee when I had it built. The components would have cost me £1140 at ebuyer, which is kinda like the UK equivalent of newegg.
S3a, upon our recommendation Russ, has got himself a Sceptre X20g Naga. Unsurprisingly he loves it. Another happy consumer. Unfortunately Sceptre and Westinghouse are the two brands you can't get in the UK...
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So much posting I almost forgot to post to your comment on cpu coolers. I'd suggest you buy an Arctic and have someone install it for you, if you think the part is in the league with Zalman's at a far lower price.
If not overclocking, most people don't need more than stock. Since I like to do at least moderate (OC)s to systems I build, I'll stick with what has proven to work well for me. Zalman has built a rep and a lot of custom builders are going with them. So, I'll stick with the ranks of custom builders who install the Zalmans in the PCs they build. As long as I stay reasonable with my settings, I won't have any cooling problems. At least I haven't so far and that's what I go by (along with the huge number of good reviews on the product). Every brand gets the occasional incompetent builder or a flawed product that draws a bad review. But you don't see that much with Zalman. For another performance build, I'd gladly lay down the money for another 9700.
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11. January 2007 @ 11:20 |
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I looked back at that post and it makes me sound like an extreme Zalman fanboy. Trust me, I'm not. If someone wants me to build with another brand, there's good one's out there including the Arctic, Thermaltakes, and others. It's just for personal builds I have my preference. I guess when doing your own builds, it comes down to personal likes and dislikes and what you're willing to pay. Since I can get parts at the lowest prices and install them myself, I have a bit of an advantage over a lot of PC owners. A good reason to get into custom building if a person has the talent.
Edit: For a less offensive word. LOL
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11. January 2007 @ 12:36 |
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Question. Is the Pentium EE 3.46GHz any faster than a D9xx at the same speed? Does the inclusion of hyper threading really make a difference?
I sure hope to heck it's faster considering the price tag. It should be as the bus speed is a bit higher! As far as Hyper Threading, the only real benefit is if you are using an application that can make use of it. I turned it off on my Prescott and there was a little difference with some multi-threaded applications, but nothing to get very excited about. Still a little bit of improvement is always worth something to someone looking for that last ounce of performance.
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Well, what has really bugged the crap out of me recently is the autoupdate.
I wouldn't mind the seemingly endless updates so much if they sometimes wouldn't change the way I like my computer to work. I didn't appreciate a welcome screen where I had to sign in, since I haven't had one for over a year. I prefer to boot straight into Windows as I have no other users on my machine and no kids messing around with it and have never created a Profile!. I also resent that if Micro$oft deems a program or a file "Potentially Dangerous" it will permanently block sending it to someone else if you are using Hotmail. It also blocks some files that you know are no threat for a virus or anything else. A member of this thread once sent me an Plug-in for a piece of software that I happen to own and while it got recieved, it was imediately deleted as "Potentially Harmful" when I tried to open it. And I mean Deleted! It was compressed and sent again, same thing! The file finally got it's name changed and compressed and it worked fine. I think Micro$oft takes a very liberal license when it comes to things like that. They need to join the RIAA!! ROFL!!!
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11. January 2007 @ 12:41 |
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The price doesn't seem to be justified by even those inclusions. I think it best to try to avoid the EE and the D with all the better dual cores out. They were kind of like the deformed children Intel didn't want to advertise. The Pentium 4 EE Gellatin core was very good though.
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11. January 2007 @ 13:02 |
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Pacman, I use a Zalman heatsink, the basic Al/Cu hybrid version and that's still very good. However, for the price, and considering how well it works, I think the Arctic Cooling heatsink is still an excellent buy.
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11. January 2007 @ 15:25 |
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In a common example they give for hyperthreading they use a 2 lane highway with cars moving along. That's the information path on your PC, in and out. Hyperthreading just adds extra lanes, which means more traffic, data transfer, can be handled. There's no need to turn it off except maybe for testing.
The P4 EE is an Extreme Edition and the Extremes have been notoriously high priced. There was a socket 478 and 775 in 130nm build process and the newer 90nm which had a 3.73GHz. Later EE(s) had the support of a 1066MHz FSB. It's a product of Intel's Netburst technology. So is the Pentium D. Intel knew the problem and was already working on the Core 2 Duo while they were selling the Netburst dual cores (and single cores). They were staying in the market as AMD is doing with their poor showing of the quad core. They have one even if not the best. Intel was doing the same before.
A single core Intel Netburst CPU running at high speeds may be competitive for applications where only a single core is needed. Such as gaming with no other intent for the PC during it's use for that. Single core and a single task. Dual cores have proven to be better suited to the real world. AMD proved that over the old Intel single cores, so we're just revisiting old ground there. AMD beat Intel with their Hypertransport till Intel came out with Core 2 Duo (not to be confused with Core Duo). Nowadays get a Conroe or at least an AMD dual core; unless just upgrading current systems that are already built. It's best to stay away from the older tech Intel Netburst processors. That's for performance issues compared to price. For many people an older single core is all they need.
With the less expensive offerings of better CPUs nowadays, it only makes sense to go with Intel Core 2 Duo or an AMD dual core.
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11. January 2007 @ 15:33 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Pacman, I use a Zalman heatsink, the basic Al/Cu hybrid version and that's still very good. However, for the price, and considering how well it works, I think the Arctic Cooling heatsink is still an excellent buy.
They're always doing reviews and showing us benchmarks. That has to be taken into account when we choose our parts. I notice you chose a Zalman when you ordered your custom PC. That alone says something.
I've agreed, there's a number of good buys available. I'm just pointing out that Zalman has an excellent record and has become a popular item with many custom builders. Your choice was a good one for an extra edge over stock with no plans for extreme OC(ing). The larger models add a few build issues concerning space, but do a superior job of CPU cooling. Like I said, we see benches and reviews, but it also pays to watch what the more experienced builders are going with.
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11. January 2007 @ 17:42 |
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PacMan777, you are so well spoken and intelligent *admires*
I too have noticed how both companies produce "filler" CPUs while they develop new products. Intel's Core Duo and Core 2 Duo are a great example.
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11. January 2007 @ 18:09 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
PacMan777, you are so well spoken and intelligent *admires*
I too have noticed how both companies produce "filler" CPUs while they develop new products. Intel's Core Duo and Core 2 Duo are a great example.
Thanks for the compliment, but I don't feel very intelligent at times. I've suffered to learn what little I have and I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment. ;)
Maintaining a market presence is business as usual. Companies have to match their competitors, or at least try. You're right, the Core Duo is a good example. And now AMD is doing it with their quad. Companies try to match their opposition while developing new, better, and/or improved products. The Pentium D 900(s) were better than the earlier Netburst releases, just not as good as the AMDs. That's what R&D is all about. So we shouldn't fault companies for competing and then presenting newer and better products. We penalize them enough by not buying (or not as much) when they present us with inferior products to those of their competitors. Intel lost sales to AMD when AMD developed Hypertransport and incorporated that into their CPU architecture. Then AMD did it again with dual core. Intel was doing the best they could while playing catch up, but enthusiasts and other parts of the PC market were leaning toward AMD. Now Intel turned the table and the shoe is on the other foot. Let's hope the competition continues and we'll keep seeing improvements from both companies. They get their rewards (in money) when they give us their best and it beats the competition.
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11. January 2007 @ 21:47 |
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thats a View Sonic-VX2245wm 22" Widescreen miss type
thanks for the info Sam.
and Pacman77 the View Sonic-VX2235wm 22" Widescreen was 366.00 last weekend online and 399.00 at the store and i have one within 20 miles from me. but they match the online price in store .hummmm everyone does that its always less expensive on line than in store why
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11. January 2007 @ 22:36 |
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The reason I say it is when I do a price finder search with PriceGrabber or Bizrate, I find better prices online than in local stores. Some stores like BestBuy and Circuit City have the same prices, but sometimes shipping comes into play. With large stores with a nationwide prescence it can sometimes be cheaper to deal locally, but overall, the best prices are online, at least in my experience.
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11. January 2007 @ 22:37 |
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Also, what store?
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11. January 2007 @ 22:41 |
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yeah it was Circuit City that had it for 366.00
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12. January 2007 @ 02:04 |
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Agreed on the heatsinks, but the reason I'm using the Zalman was that the system builder was out of Arctic Freezers at the time.
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12. January 2007 @ 03:45 |
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The top models are all good. Then there's the die-hard gamer who'd say, "I'de like one of these please"!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835702002
I met a guy at a lan party running a rig like my D-940 at 4.55 with one these babies strapped on to it. Showed a CPU display right on the front of the case! I heard of a guy at 4.6 and another over 5.0 but I want to see benches and prime runs first.
I don't play but my enjoynent lies in watching someone talented and and enjoy the senaio they create because they're too busy playing the game to enjoy it in that way! It's just fun to watch!
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The top models are all good. Then there's the die-hard gamer who'd say, "I'de like one of these please"!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835702002
I met a guy at a lan party running a rig like my D-940 at 4.55 with one these babies strapped on to it. Showed a CPU display right on the front of the case! I heard of a guy at 4.6 and another over 5.0 but I want to see benches and prime runs first.
I don't play but my enjoynent lies in watching someone talented and and enjoy the senaio they create because they're too busy playing the game to enjoy it in that way! It's just fun to watch!
Happy Computering,
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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12. January 2007 @ 04:05 |
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A peltier cooler, I was wondering when they'd start using them for CPUs. The temperatures that thing can sustain are incredible.
Out of interest Russ, what were you doing at a LAN party?
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