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PacMan777
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14. February 2007 @ 10:30 |
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But by the time you get one of those OCed to where it's competitive it's starting to become unstable. It's okay for a grunt PC. They're still selling a bunch of 3800s for low end manufactured PCs. But for a custom, that is a has been. It may have been an OC darlin not long ago, but now it's another of AMD's "also ran" CPUs. Going with a 3800 now only has the advantage of building on the cheap.
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14. February 2007 @ 10:48 |
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Don't forget not all builds are overclocks. You can save a lot by going with a cheap (just a decent brand) mobo, and that counts out overclocking anyway.
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14. February 2007 @ 11:24 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Don't forget not all builds are overclocks. You can save a lot by going with a cheap (just a decent brand) mobo, and that counts out overclocking anyway.
I'm glad you agree, the only advantage is it's cheap. I hope I never have to worry about the insignificant cost difference between one of those and an entry level C2D.
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14. February 2007 @ 11:42 |
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Well no, fortunately we don't, but there are plenty others out there who find that a more viable option. Unfortunately both my suppliers are 2 days (and counting) late delivering my components, so I'm still waiting to have my file PC built. I called Overclockers UK and Scan today and they both said "yeah it's being dispatched tonight, you'll have it tomorrow". Scan sent me an email at 9pm saying "we sent too many orders today, so we didn't have time for yours, you'll get it friday", whereas overclockers said nothing and it's still "printed in warehouse", and "oh, the RAM was out of stock when you ordered it". It wasn't. This is the 5th and last late delivery from overclockers. Until they can sort out their stock control system they no longer deserve my business. Not really had any gripes about Scan before, but I'm distinctly unimpressed by their email.
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14. February 2007 @ 12:01 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well no, fortunately we don't, but there are plenty others out there who find that a more viable option. ...
I suspect many don't pay attention to what's happening with current technology and are only building a "grunt".
Good luck on the parts. If you're like me you like to do the builds over the weekend, especially with you being at the university and taking classes during the week. Sounds like the vendors may have put you a week behind. I hate it when they promise something, have you anticipating arrival, and then they blow it.
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14. February 2007 @ 12:57 |
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I did hate it, but now I come to expect it. As I said, someone else on my corridor ordered that stuff from OcUK on the 24th of December, and it didnt arrive until we collected it from the citylink depot a week and a bit ago.
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14. February 2007 @ 16:05 |
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I'm gonna stay AMD faithful as long they get a new product out sooner or later.
I'd like to also get my hands on the R600 as soon as possible. And also have Vista as a secondary. My good old XP Pro Corporate is very nice to use and has served me well. When I get vista I'm really only interested in the tagging function it offers. Very cool :)
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14. February 2007 @ 16:48 |
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I'd agree with most of that, except for the use of Vista (DX10) and on your true support of AMD. Having recently ordered an Intel CPU, that puts me out of the window!
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14. February 2007 @ 17:33 |
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No vista for me. Tried it. Problem is a lot of the software I have and use, primarily for backing up dvd's, is old and will most likely never be updated to be vista compatable. One example is DVD Decrypter which is integrated into ripit4me and ripit4me is primarily all I use for ripping since I also primarily use rb/cce for encoding which as you know doesn't incorperate a ripping utility and requires that the dvd be ripped to the hdd with an independant ripping utility. Hell, even my browser (AT & T Yahoo) isn't compatable with vista yet. They also provide my anti-virus software (made by computer assoc.) I wasn't about to buy some retail anti-virus software when my DSL provider supplies it for free and it works like a champ with XP.
Even if I wasn't an intel fanboy, I wouldn't hold my breath waitng on AMD to catch up or pass intel. Intel's already got more goodys in the oven.
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14. February 2007 @ 21:12 |
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I think Intel made the Tera-Scale research public to scare AMD. LOL Plus Intel has already moved over half of it's production to the 65 nm process (from 90). They're already seriously working with 45 nm. So downsizing the chips and making them more efficient has Intel in the lead over AMD. AMD relied on Hypertransport for its advantage too long. AMD needs more technological breakthroughs or Intel will stay in the performance and technological lead and keep widening the gap.
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14. February 2007 @ 21:24 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I'm gonna stay AMD faithful as long they get a new product out sooner or later. ...
With your 4400 X2 you have some time before you feel the pinch too bad. But if you want a new build anytime soon, you'll be spending extra money for less performance with an AMD platform. Let's hope AMD gets off the pot soon, but as BigDK pointed out, maybe we shouldn't be holding our breath. ;)
Sammorris qualified as one of the biggest AMD fanboys around, but now he's gone Intel. It simply makes sense to go with the best available at the time you need to build. Unless there's a specific item scheduled for release with proven capabilities, it doesn't really pay to play the waiting game. Intel fans had to wait a couple of years for relief. LOL AMD's last few releases have sort of fizzled in comparison to Intel. I wish them luck, but the situation is starting to look sad. That secret weapon many thought was ready for release wasn't there. If AMD had one, they would have released it by now.
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14. February 2007 @ 21:53 |
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Mort81,
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They also provide my anti-virus software (made by computer assoc.) I wasn't about to buy some retail anti-virus software when my DSL provider supplies it for free and it works like a champ with XP.
I originally got my CA Anti virus from Micro$oft with SP-1 for XP Pro. Just renewed it for another 2 years in march 06. Best AV program I've ever had!
Happy computering,
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14. February 2007 @ 22:07 |
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my damn Trend Micro is 49 dollars just to renew now!!! . i may switch
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14. February 2007 @ 23:59 |
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I go with Symantec's Internet Security suite. It ain't cheap, but I've gotten used to the protection.
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15. February 2007 @ 03:03 |
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damn how do u guys get to try Vista out?...u bought it or copied ones?..
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Now Ive got your attention please read my post above
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15. February 2007 @ 03:18 |
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and I just use AVG free edition... lol
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15. February 2007 @ 03:57 |
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AVG free is what I use as well.
Its free!!!!!
Its very low on system resources.
Its as good as the full version, just without the following.
# 24/7 professional technical support
# High-speed updates (although all updates I've downloaded are almost instantaneous)
# Customizable settings (Blue background is fine)
# Your language (me only speak the English)
Is rated as one of the best AV apps out there.
http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/
You can see it only falls behind the other tools in this chart on support, ease of use and feature set, all of which are subjective.
Who ever needs AV software support?
AVG can't be any easier, maybe they had a 5 year old trying it out.
Feature set, who needs to schedule tasks two weeks in advance?
The software received a VB100% and the ICSA 2005
Its free!!!!
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15. February 2007 @ 04:01 |
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Yup, the two AV programs I was recommended were AVG and NOD32.
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15. February 2007 @ 07:32 |
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i got the full licence for AVG...well i cant tell u guys otherwise i'll get ban...
SEX
Now Ive got your attention please read my post above
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i think Kaspersky Internet Security 6.0 is the highest rated on the market
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15. February 2007 @ 09:14 |
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That review must have missed some because I used to have McAfee and the CA av software I have now is much better imo.
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15. February 2007 @ 11:27 |
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sam, what cpu did you order? And the other specs? Wanna give me free parts? lol
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15. February 2007 @ 11:33 |
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Lol I would but this is no upgrade, it's an additional storage PC. At least at the moment it is, it's eventually going to become a secondary gaming system when it gets my current X1900, after I upgrade that.
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PSU: Hiper Type-R 580W Black (existing component)
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Western Digital Caviar 160GB IDE, 250GB S-ATA x2, 500GB SE16 S-ATA, Samsung Spinpoint 250GB S-ATA, 400GB S-ATA (existing components)
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15. February 2007 @ 11:53 |
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You might want to reconsider the GPU choice. For not much more you can move up to an X1800 Radeon, which has the specs to rate Best for Vista support. You may not think much of it now, but who knows, when they get some of the bugs out of Vista, you may want to upgrade the OS (If you're not installing Vista up front).
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15. February 2007 @ 12:10 |
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I paid £47 for my X1600, I've not seen an X1800 for anywhere near that little. It's a pretty temporary card anyway, when the R600 is released, I'm buying one and my X1900XT's going in it.
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