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27. April 2006 @ 14:31 |
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True. The Donald called it right when he pointed out the P4 was rushed and didn't do a great job of replacing the P3 early on. That happens. Within the P4 family Intel made the similar error of having a Prescott that couldn't perform better than its predecessor.
Intel made a classic business error, because they had such a huge share of the market they got too comfortable with what they had.
AMD has been beating Intel in the gaming market since the P3 days but they really started to challenge Intel when they were the first to break the 1 Ghz core speed. This forced Intel to rush their first P4 release which turned out to be even slower than the P3 before it. It wasn't long before Intel released the Northwood core and AMD released the Barton core. For video compression the Northwood won but for pushing frames in gaming the Barton core won so the one that you would buy depends on what you do, I was into video compression more than gaming so I went with the Northwood core.
Intel's next response to this was to lose their freaking minds (I suspect they were all on drugs)and release the Prescott core. To this day I don't know why they didn't just move the Northwood core to the 9.5 nm core size. That would have lowered voltage requirements, reduced the heat, and allowed for a higher clock speeds. That would have given them some time to begin working on a completely new design. But no they decided on anther brilliant strategy, add two Prescott's on a single chip and force them to share the same front side bus. As "Forrest Gump's" mom always said "stupid is as stupid does."
Intel deserves to be bashed because the alternative is to not pay attention and become obsolete. Does anyone remember when the Voodoo graphics cards were the first choice of enthusiasts?
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27. April 2006 @ 15:13 |
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27. April 2006 @ 17:36 |
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valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Name</b></small></td><td><small>AMD Athlon 64 3700+</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Code Name</b></small></td><td><small>San Diego</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Specification</b></small></td><td><small>AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Family / Model / Stepping</b></small></td><td><small>F 7 1</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Extended Family / Model</b></small></td><td><small>F 27</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Brand ID</b></small></td><td><small>4</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Package</b></small></td><td><small>Socket 939</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Core Stepping</b></small></td><td><small>SH-E4</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Technology</b></small></td><td><small>90 nm</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Supported Instructions Sets</b></small></td><td><small>MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>CPU Clock Speed</b></small></td><td><small>2704.9 MHz</small></td></tr>
<tr valign=top><td width=40%><small><b>Clock multiplier</b></small></td><td><small>x 11.0</small></td></tr>
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APIC ID 0
Name AMD Athlon 64 3700+
Code name San Diego
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
Family/Model/Stepping F71
Extended Family/Model F/27
Brand ID 4
Package Socket 939
Core Stepping SH-E4
Technology 90nm
Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, x86-64
Features NX
Clock Speed 2208.0 MHz
Clock multiplier x11.0
HTT Bus Frequency 200.7 MHz
P-Rating 3700+
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
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27. April 2006 @ 17:38 |
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Intel has finally admitted it's fallen behind.
Sophocles is probably right; Gump rules Intel if they're just getting around to realizing that fact. LOL Seriously though, that's just business. A company never wants to admit they're second, even if they are. Intel would be more credible now if they were selling chips intead of "vapors".
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27. April 2006 @ 17:41 |
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@FIHSNERD
Was there some purpose to your post?
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27. April 2006 @ 20:39 |
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Brobear,
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(Lincoln-Cadillac for the high rollers LOL).
Beg Pardon!!! That's Ferarri and Pantera, if you please!!! One has his stardards!!
To All,
I ran into a little bit of a snag with my computer. Sometimes it just sits there with the Windows XP logo and the blue thing going across the slot. If I reset it and go into safe mode I try to do a system restore. the restore fails but the computer now works.
I've run a virus scan with my latest version of CA AntiVirus. Nothing! I've run the latest version of Spybot. Nothing!! I've run Ad-Aware, Tune-Up Utilities 2004, I've cleaned my registry. It still does it every couple of days. I go through the same routine and every time the problem comes back!
My old neighbor's Dell 3000 was so messed up that it would pop up 13 registry changes and "allow" them. It opens your firewall and turns off your Anti-Vurus. It also stops you from un-installing the Anti-Virus program and re-installing it. I did a complete system restore from my Acronis True Image 9 program and it still does the same thing.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated because it sure has me stumped. my next step is to burn it down and start over. Use Eraser or Acronis 8 to wipe the drive and do a fresh install of XP Professional. Maybe even check the M.B.R.
Thanking you in advance,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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27. April 2006 @ 21:24 |
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brobear,
Don Brobear Corleone, I bow to you and your wisdom.lol
As Forest Gump would say... Thats all I have to say about that.
p-4 3.2 prescott HT curently at 3.6/Abit IC7-G (Abit rule!)/2 Gig Mushkin extream 2.5-2-2-6
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27. April 2006 @ 21:41 |
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theonejrs , i would try "Highjackthis" and maybe a better virse scan program "Trend Mirco" being my choice
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28. April 2006 @ 03:39 |
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theonejr,
If you have an image saved then go ahead and reload from scratch to test the hardware. If it comes back then you'll have to chase down the offending component a piece at a time. When you figure out the hardware problem then load the previous image.
I would test the harddrive including surface scan. A bad spot will sometimes make it reboot.
Go into msconfig from the run line. Kill all the startup programs, keeping an eye out for anything out of place.
I have had a DVD drive keep XP from loading.
When it happens do you have to reimage to get it running again?
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28. April 2006 @ 03:45 |
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Has anyone noticed, Intel is already dropping prices again. A 930 dual core 218 dollars. A 950 for 358 dollars. They are giving away processors to get back at AMD. I wonder how long before AMD has to match the move.
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28. April 2006 @ 04:38 |
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I think that 6402 might be right, it sounds like a hardware problem and if the drivers can't be loaded then it will hang like that. It's also possible that your memory or CPU is being strained by your over clock. Lower your over clock for a bit and then try it. If that doesn't work then you'll have to start isolating each piece of hardware to find out which is causing the problem.
Try this! Go to start/run and then type in msconfig and hit enter. There you will find some tools (boot.ini) that will help you analyse what's going on when you boot up.
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28. April 2006 @ 05:25 |
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Sophocles and The Donald gave you sound advice. I'd just like to put emphasis on what Sophocles said. Lower the OC. I'd suggest going back to the base setting till the problem is resolved to insure the OC has nothing to do with the problem. Record your settings if you don't remember them, it's no big deal to go back into the BIOS to reset them.
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28. April 2006 @ 06:20 |
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@theonejrs
I agree with all suggestions so far but I was wondering, when did this first happen? Was this also happening on occasion before you made your backup image with your Acronis program?
I'm just looking for the time line when the problem surfaced first.
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28. April 2006 @ 07:12 |
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yeah, i wanted to show you how much i overclocked it...
but at 2.7 it is very instable...
but not at 2.6
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28. April 2006 @ 08:39 |
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Sometimes an over clock will work for a few weeks or even months before strain will show.
Try this, go here and download a copy of prime95 and run your system through the torture test and it will reveal any errors that are being cause by the over clock. Don't worry, it won't hurt your system because it will stop running at the first sign of your system becoming stressed or unstable. Rule of thumb is that your system should be able to run stable overnight but I think that's bit much, I ran mine for a little over 14 hours and figured that was enough and I stopped it.
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28. April 2006 @ 08:53 |
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28. April 2006 @ 09:17 |
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Pardon me Gents,I know this is off the present topic.
@brobear,The Opteron was one of my preferences but as you guessed the budget is tight and has already been slightly exceeded.
As for SLI,it is not in my plans at all,I'm not much of a gamer that is why I believe my video card choice is probably even more then I need,but the price was right!
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Thanks again!
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28. April 2006 @ 11:34 |
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the restore fails but the computer now works.
I wouldn't fret, the same happened to me. Except my computer now badly needs a reformat.
Boxwrench: So what do you want, our opinion? The 3800+ is more than adequate!
Sophocles: Wow. Intel have some serious problems!
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28. April 2006 @ 12:02 |
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i cant believe this thread is still live...lol
hi everyone,got my new pc up and running
3700+amd64 ..................250x11@167volts...2750
corsair 2gb kit.... 3500LLpros 2.5 326@250@2.7volts on a divider of 200
running at a true ddr500
evga 7800gtx 512mb card 587/1750
this pc is slamming fast now,thats all for teaching me oc`ing...peace
thermaltake tsunami dream case windowed-all aluminium
ENERMAX EGA850EWL GALAXY ATX 12V 850W SLI..sweet huh??
amd64 3700+ san diego 64 bit
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28. April 2006 @ 17:33 |
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Sophocles,
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Try this, go here and download a copy of prime95
Go Where?
When this first happened I went to stock 3.0 settings to attempt to see if the OC was the problem. Unless something was damaged by the OC, nothing changed. In reality I think I might have picked up something on my JumpDrive when I was working on my old neighbors Dell. I complete burned down my C drive wiping it with Acronis and then Eraser. I reverted to my original back-up of my C drive that I made when I first got Acronis True Image 9. Everything seems to work fine so far. I put my custom settings back in the BIOS and it seems to run real good.
I have a question. Should I turn on the Anti-Virus on the motherboard? I understand that it can be annoying at times but perhaps this would have intercepted whatever I got and given me the oportunity to do something before it became a problem.
I also cleaned out the case and fans with compressed air. Temps didn't seem to be a problem but I figured, why not! It can't hurt. In a 76F degree room the temps top out at 53C for the CPU and 36C for the MB.
To everyone,
Thanks for all the responses. I got to thinking about it just now and maybe when I upgraded my AV. I let something in while doing it. You have to dump the old one before you can install the new one and you have to be on line to install it so you are vulnerable until it's installed. Anyway, it runs great at 3.60 and I've had no problems with it since I totally roached the drive and did a complete restore of drive C.
Happy computering,
theonejrs
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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28. April 2006 @ 17:59 |
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28. April 2006 @ 20:34 |
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@sammorris,No I wasn't looking for an opinion,I was merely trying to continue some dialog that Brobear and I were exchanging on another thread.He suggested I visit him here,apparently I missed him.
Once again Pardon my interuption!
Main System- Amd/64 3800x2 currently@ 2.5ghz. Asus A8N-E,win.xp-pro.4x1gb.Ocz platnium ddr 400,Maxtor 40gb.& 250gb.ide & 2x W.D.250 sata,Benq 1650V dvd Reader & Benq DW-1655 Writer,EVGA Geforce 7600gs,Creative Audigy-LS,Antec 750w psu. Vizio 37"hdtv monitor 1360x768@75hz.
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29. April 2006 @ 02:22 |
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Boxwrench: No that's fine, you make it sound like you feel you're not welcome here!
Theonejrs: I've heard of nothing but bad news about the nVidia firewall etc. I'd recommend just using something like ZoneAlarm, if you don't already.
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29. April 2006 @ 08:12 |
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boxwrench
I've been on and off with the forum. The guys here could have given you some opinions on the budget video card. We have both Radeon and nVidia fans here. Sounds like you've made your decision though.
As Sammorriss said, the 3800 is adequate, but for the slight price difference between it and the Opteron 170, you'd be getting a much superior processor. The dual core processor over single core would be enough for me, but when you add the cache difference and the better binning of the Opteron series, that extra hundred dollars is chock-full of bargains. Lets see, better materials, better cache, extra processor for about $100. Your budget though.
By the way, you're more than welcome on this thread. I just wasn't here to answer you right away and the others may have been wondering what was being discussed.
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29. April 2006 @ 11:52 |
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FIHSNERD
If you want to show before and after specs, it would be nice if you'd do so like the others here. Post screen captures of the before and after Sandra benches and the CPUZ specs.
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