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20. March 2007 @ 18:22 |
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PacMan777,
Hopefully we will see some more reviews of the players when new bios revisions are available.
I must admit though, ECS will have to prove themselves, but judging by what I have seen,theyr'e off to a good start!!
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PacMan777
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20. March 2007 @ 18:39 |
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Originally posted by crowy:
PacMan777,
Hopefully we will see some more reviews of the players when new bios revisions are available.
I must admit though, ECS will have to prove themselves, but judging by what I have seen,theyr'e off to a good start!!
Are you going by what you've read on the new boards or do you have some personal experience? The reviews I've been reading haven't been that flattering. I've not had the good experiences with ECS that you have. So for me (and probably a lot of others), it's wait and see. I won't be investing any money to find out.
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20. March 2007 @ 18:47 |
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PacMan777,
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Are you going by what you've read on the new boards or do you have some personal experience? The reviews I've been reading haven't been that flattering. I've not had the good experiences with ECS that you have. So for me (and probably a lot of others), it's wait and see. I won't be investing any money to find out.
I haven't had any personal experience with this particular board(neither has anyone here that I know of) but from what Iv'e been reading ECS have done their homework on this one and it's certainly showing some promise...Time will tell I guess.
The reviews Iv'e seen so far have all been quite positive I thought.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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I only just realised the last number should probably be 16 not 12,
It should be 5-5-5-15!
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Over the past two years, no company has made larger strides than ECS.
I for one will have to take a wait and see attitude when it comes to ECS as every experience I've had with them in the last 4 years has been bad. This incldes both Intel and AMD platforms. They seem to have a knack of lasting about 2 months past the warranty or not working at all. On my last one, it was supposed to support the Prescot, but it didn't. What made me angry was that ECS knew it and never mentioned it when I called thier Tech Service. I wound up paying an outrageous sum for it because of the double shipping. It was not a cheapo model either, but a higher end one. For now, I'll pass!
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theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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20. March 2007 @ 19:14 |
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theone,
I understand your lack of faith in ECS.
I have the same lack of faith with Benq!!!
As you know,this board has only been available for a short time so the longevity of it will only come to light after....Time!!!!
I remember you mentioning troubles with an Asus board you have some time ago.Even the best can fail!!
Once a few of these boards are sold and we see some customer feedback who knows what the outcome will be???
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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20. March 2007 @ 20:10 |
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Crowy,
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I remember you mentioning troubles with an Asus board you have some time ago.Even the best can fail!!
Very true, but I did abuse the hell out of that MB and Asus did replace it! The ECS's were junk from the start. I'm glad to see them doing something about it! I wish them well but like you said, we will have to wait and see what time brings.
Happy Computering,
theone
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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21. March 2007 @ 00:07 |
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Now this is awkward, I have the same attitude with Benq too, and that DOES come from personal experience. People can swear by them as nuch as they like nowadays, I'm not taking the risk any more. Three different DVD burners, a Matshita SW-9581 OEM, an LG GSA-4163 and an NEC ND-4570 have all managed to last significantly longer than the 3 weeks both of my acer/benq drives did. I'm always wary of when one company trades with two different names. But enough about them. While the performance, and indeed reliability of that ECS board may be good, it is probably only because it's not a board ECS have designed themselves. A lot of previous ECS boards have had questionable design features, and this is what gives them their "bum" reputation for quality. I remember not too long ago a board that used two 7 or 8000rpm fans to cool the chipset and voltage regs, supposedly noisy as hell. We're not all quietPC enthusiasts, but there's just no reason for that.
Oh, but before I gloat, I now have to RMA an Asus board. So there, things happen. It refuses to recognise any network adapter i plug in (I've tried 4 different Gigabit PCI cards, and a 100Mbps PCI card) and not only that, it no longer recognises the onboard networking either. The company I bought it from are less than eager to help me, but I'd rather go with them than suffer any of the issues Theone had, and I don't fancy paying to ship a motherboard to the USA either.
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21. March 2007 @ 00:28 |
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Sam,
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But enough about them. While the performance, and indeed reliability of that ECS board may be good, it is probably only because it's not a board ECS have designed themselves.
Thats a valid point.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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21. March 2007 @ 00:39 |
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Crowy
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The reviews Iv'e seen so far have all been quite positive I thought.
And the ones I've been reading, such as the review from Tomshardware, have been less than flattering. Anandtech has been doing reviews on big name 680i boards, but I've seen nothing from them yet on the ECS. With comments to the effect that it doesn't have any serious problems looks better for ECS. Like we've been saying... wait and see. Looking at the relatively small difference in cost compared to what one gets, I think the GigaByte and ASUS would be better choices. I'm not just mimicing what the Tomshardware author is saying. I've mentioned my preference for those manufacturers' boards in the past.
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21. March 2007 @ 00:44 |
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PacMan777,
Iv'e always liked giving any underdog a chance to wrestle the crown from the big boys.It creates competition and that can only be good for the consumer.As we said.... only time will tell!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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21. March 2007 @ 00:47 |
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Originally posted by crowy:
theone,
I understand your lack of faith in ECS.
I have the same lack of faith with Benq!!!
As you know,this board has only been available for a short time so the longevity of it will only come to light after....Time!!!!
I remember you mentioning troubles with an Asus board you have some time ago.Even the best can fail!!
Once a few of these boards are sold and we see some customer feedback who knows what the outcome will be???
I read about that as well. Seems theonejrs helped that board along by jacking the voltage settings higher than they should have been while those around him were warning of the impending damage. Those old boards weren't intended for power like he was using. Anything can be broke if the user tries hard enough. It seems ASUS still came through and rebuilt the board. From what theonejrs said, ASUS even beefed up the power handling of the board for him.
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21. March 2007 @ 00:53 |
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PacMan777,
Asus have always had a good rep when it comes to warranties.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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21. March 2007 @ 00:55 |
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Originally posted by crowy:
PacMan777,
Iv'e always liked giving any underdog a chance to wrestle the crown from the big boys.It creates competition and that can only be good for the consumer.As we said.... only time will tell!!
I agree, competition is good for the consumer. I often cheer for the underdog, but not a company being a dog. ECS' past record has been an affront to the consumer. The underdog should have a good product to compete with the bigboys, i.e. AMD's hypertransport and dual cores in comparision to Intel's pre-C2D processors. If the current ECS offerings turn out to be okay, it will be following a long term of shoddy merchandise. ECS didn't get the name by accident, they earned it. Now they have to earn a good name, if they can. They've made a small start.
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21. March 2007 @ 00:56 |
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Originally posted by crowy:
PacMan777,
Asus have always had a good rep when it comes to warranties.
And for making good boards.
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21. March 2007 @ 01:03 |
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I'm always wary of when one company trades with two different names.
LOL There's goes the PC and optical media businesses.
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21. March 2007 @ 05:41 |
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@crowy
im not sure whats going on with those pics, both the [img] and the links work fine for me.
@sam
i had what sounds like the same issue with my first mobo and scan swapped it for me. mine worked fine for a day then just refused to connect to my modem. i plugged my old pc into it and i could connect to the internet but that one wouldn't. after some saerching on the asus forums i found no-one else who had had the same, (might of changed since) untill i read your post just i had figured that mine was a one off.
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21. March 2007 @ 07:46 |
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Hmm, which board? this is the A8N-SLi SE.
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21. March 2007 @ 07:50 |
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no my p5nesli, i didnt realise you was talking about your a8.
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21. March 2007 @ 07:52 |
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No, the P5 is fine so far, touch wood, Although the fact that my Freezer 7 Pro fell off in transit when it was properly secured concerns me a bit. One thing I've noticed though, the chipset heatsink gets really hot. It's good that the heatsink gets hot rather than just the chip, but nonetheless for such a big heatsink, to not be able to hold my finger on it seems a bit excessive!
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21. March 2007 @ 08:16 |
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mine was the same it even idled around 40c, i refitted it with some cheap ceramique paste (have to say it was quite a mess under the hs before) and it dropped to 36c ish and i have since ghetto engineered it so it now has a 60mm fan (old p3 cpu hsf) blowwing down onto it which has dropped it to around 32c idle and 40c under prolonged heavy load (add 2 or 3c for when i drop the fans speed to 45% with speedfan).
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21. March 2007 @ 08:19 |
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Interesting. Although until that temp becomes a problem, I'm happy with it being silently cooled :-)
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21. March 2007 @ 08:20 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Hmm, which board? this is the A8N-SLi SE.
Is that the one you were bragging about running without the cooling fan operating?
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21. March 2007 @ 08:23 |
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Yep. Your point? If it's "well the chipset might have overheated" I've never seen it above 40C. It's been Arctic Silvered, and so survives fanless.
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21. March 2007 @ 08:35 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
No, the P5 is fine so far, touch wood, Although the fact that my Freezer 7 Pro fell off in transit when it was properly secured concerns me a bit. One thing I've noticed though, the chipset heatsink gets really hot. It's good that the heatsink gets hot rather than just the chip, but nonetheless for such a big heatsink, to not be able to hold my finger on it seems a bit excessive!
One pays for those big overweight coolers sometimes. It's mass and inertia with connectors not built to withstand the load. I've got a big Zalman 9700. No problems, but I don't move it around much. Were there many holes and stops on the way back to the university? ;) I'd take the cooler off my PC if I was going to transport it very far.
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21. March 2007 @ 08:37 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yep. Your point? If it's "well the chipset might have overheated" I've never seen it above 40C. It's been Arctic Silvered, and so survives fanless.
Point being ASUS put it there for a reason. It would be interesting to see what is actually wrong with your board instead of exchanging it. But I can see your point of not wanting to get into the downtime and expense of shipping it off to ASUS.
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