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Praetor
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30. August 2004 @ 09:40 |
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Were they the days before nvidia? lol
Hell yeah! Dont forget that Matrox can destroy ATi and nVidia handsdown in the 2D market (maybe not so easily ATi as they were a business outfit to start) as they've simply have invested so damn much into the 2D arena (and before people make "silly" comments about 2D ... dont forget that with CAD/CAM stuff ..... speed is important sure but much more important is pixel precision... something Matrox is just plain silly good at)
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Nvidia have never done that. I would rather not have my ears notice that I have a powerful GPU, when i'm typing out a spreadsheet, say
Perhaps but i'd say the 5800 was a fluke (a required one however). I'v had the opportunity to play with the ASUS V9999 (that's the ultra) and the ATi X800XT and to be honest they're both quiet cards.
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In short, it would cost an extra £200 on the electricity bill. That's quite substantial.
That's 1.26E-6 cents/sec difference.
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Next to iD's engines I would think that the Unreal engine is probably the second most licensed one in use and what many future games will be built on.
Point taken but UT's got a hell of a lot of a headstart (as well as their very impressive looking U3 engine).
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1. I think Matorx might be able to beat them both by waiting ages then releasing a next generation graphics card(s).
Matrox has shifted over to catering to the midrange workstation/business arena now. Their specialty was 2D and always will be.
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2. Microsoft owns Intel, Intel and AMD, I think, should stay in the processor making thing.
Do you know ANYTHING about computers or is this some strange "confuse the heck out of people"-spell??!
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buxton
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30. August 2004 @ 11:11 |
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If only Matrox could afford to get back into the 3D Arena! Bringing that 2D quality to a 3D image - now that would be something to behold. I was cleaning and throwing old crap just yesterday and stumbled across my old Matrox Mystique 2Mb card - those were the days - Matrox accelerated Tomb Raider :) Brings a tear to the eye. Can't see it happening though - fingers crossed though.
It is a shame there isn't more competition - once 3DFX went it was all over really.
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Praetor
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30. August 2004 @ 11:48 |
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If only Matrox could afford to get back into the 3D Arena! Bringing that 2D quality to a 3D image - now that would be something to behold. I was cleaning and throwing old crap just yesterday and stumbled across my old Matrox Mystique 2Mb card - those were the days - Matrox accelerated Tomb Raider :) Brings a tear to the eye. Can't see it happening though - fingers crossed though.
Aye I had me the 4MB Mystic and I think an 8MB <something else> (millenium maybe?) ... those WERE the days.
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Can't see it happening though - fingers crossed though.
Nah the Parheliea was their last half-attempt (the card is still better as a semi-workstation card tho).
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It is a shame there isn't more competition - once 3DFX went it was all over really.
Nah there's enough competition as it is, ATi and nVidia make for a good matchup :)
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30. August 2004 @ 12:24 |
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I'd have to add that when 3DFX was around, they were Nvidia's only real competition. ATI made 3d cards, but not the kind of high-end stuff they do now. At that time ATI was the 800lb gorilla of the workstation market.
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Praetor
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30. August 2004 @ 12:33 |
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At that time ATI was the 800lb gorilla of the workstation market.
They still are a player in that market although not of the same calibre as before (even to the pount where the Quadro is solid competition for the FireGLs) but back in the day, I'm no so sure i'd even say ATi was "better" than Matrox in the light-medium workstation arena .... ATi was a lot smaller and Matrox a lot bigger back then too
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30. August 2004 @ 12:36 |
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While on the topic, can someone clarify as to which is the superior card, the 9700Pro or the 9600Pro, both 128MB models only. From what i understand the 9600Pro is a more advanced card but the 9700Pro is actually a better performer (otherwise, wtf is with the mobile versions?)
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30. August 2004 @ 12:42 |
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They still are a player in that market although not of the same calibre as before (even to the pount where the Quadro is solid competition for the FireGLs) but back in the day, I'm no so sure i'd even say ATi was "better" than Matrox in the light-medium workstation arena .... ATi was a lot smaller and Matrox a lot bigger back then too
That's true, and if I remember correctly, Matrox was the leader in video capture cards, which was a lot more expensive at that time.
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30. August 2004 @ 12:46 |
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Your memory serves you well :)
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30. August 2004 @ 13:00 |
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Yeah, my first GPu was an onboard 8MB ATi Rage Pro. Oh how that will differ from my X800 XT!!
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buxton
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30. August 2004 @ 14:06 |
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Radeon 9700 Pro R300 DX 9 325 620 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9700 R300 DX 9 275 540 256-bit 8x1
Radeon 9600 XT RV360 DX 9 500 600 128-bit 4x1
Radeon 9600 Pro RV350 DX 9 400 600 128-bit 4x1
Radeon 9600 RV350 DX 9 325 400 128-bit 4x1
Radeon 9600 SE RV350 DX 9 325 365 64-bit 4x1
I assume the R300 is a DX9.0 card and R360/350 is a DX9.0b - PS2.0 and PS2.0b - just guessing on that - 9700 are faster than 9600XT. 9700Pro is similar to a 5900.
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Praetor
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30. August 2004 @ 16:18 |
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Ok so it does kinda look like ATi had a 256bit -->128bit trade there (kinda like the 9800 vs 5800). Now the wierd thing is, how come the 9700 was paired up against the Ti4600 (both in terms of price and chronologically) ... or was the 9700 and the 9700Pro two completely different things? I ask because the original 9700 was a DX8.1 card.
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1. September 2004 @ 13:35 |
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Though this is really late i think that Nvidia is better... drivers for linux come out about the same time as for windows.
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2. September 2004 @ 04:43 |
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Indeed there seems to be a lot more Linux-friendly infrastucture as far as nVidia drivers go ... maybe ATi is waiting for "more user demand" before devoting resources to Linux DDK? Dunno..
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buxton
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2. September 2004 @ 09:08 |
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Apparently there is a petition on the net calling for ATI to get some Linux ATI drivers sorted. nVidia simply wastes ATI in Linux and I don't think there is much of an argument on that one.
Also read today that ATI will have PS3.0 cards out before the end of the year!! Clearly they have realised the potential issues facing them on the horizon and are doing something about it.
Me thinks if you are planning to upgrade - WAIT - there is going to be a tremendous choice of cards available. And prices are going to fall.
Not sure what will happen to the newer ATI cards if PS3.0 ones do appear! They are going to be an older generation within 3 months. So it may well be nothing more than a rumour?
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2. September 2004 @ 09:23 |
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what the fuck is PS3.0
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2. September 2004 @ 12:31 |
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Sssshhh, language!!
PS3.0 is Pixel Shader 3, a new graphics rendering method that gives better performance i think.
Note: a jewel in nvidia's crown is the fact that x800 xts arent actually on sale at the moment. They're sold in batches for some reason, and the next one hits us in about 3 weeks time.
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2. September 2004 @ 12:49 |
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Sssshhh, language!!
i dont live in china , i live in britain (you do the math)
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2. September 2004 @ 12:53 |
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yeah but still, u'll get toasted by a mod for swearing in a forum!
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2. September 2004 @ 17:40 |
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what the fuck is PS3.0
It's something your X800XT doesn't, and never will, have :)
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2. September 2004 @ 18:20 |
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Hmm... let's have a stroll through memory lane
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I didnt mean a contest for which specific card is better, I meant in general, which make is better. but the radeon 9600XT (256MB) (which is equivalant) is better than the FX5600XT by miles and about the same price
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i meantn that you can make the graphics card think it has 8 pipelines, so it acts as if it does.
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that took a long time to read. ATI still kick Nvidia's arse, no shit. But which ATI card is best, sapphire, hightech, creative or something else.
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FUCK SAKE!!!! SAVE TIME + MONEY AND BUY A NORMAL GRAPHICS CARD LIKE 99.9% OF PEOPLE!!!!
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1. I think Matorx might be able to beat them both by waiting ages then releasing a next generation graphics card(s).
2. Microsoft owns Intel, Intel and AMD, I think, should stay in the processor making thing.
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what the fuck is PS3.0
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It's something your X800XT doesn't, and never will, have :)
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im going to buy all the latest kit (processor , memory , mboard etc) I can when HL2 coms out
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Im not a 5 year old :P
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Hacked drivers can change it from 4 to 8 pipelines (9600XT).Omega Drivers.
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3. September 2004 @ 03:53 |
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I like looking at my past, its so funny (not so much in a good way)!
ATi = Better Value for money and a lot...lot cheaper!
Nvidia = 6800 (i would get it, but tooooooooo expensive) , FX series was shit, GF4 was ok but now aging.
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3. September 2004 @ 05:00 |
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heehee, the 6800 is no more expensive than the stealth
X800XT, but it is very inefficient and is quite noisy to my recollection.
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3. September 2004 @ 05:06 |
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when i said the 6800 was expensive, i ment a decent 1!
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buxton
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3. September 2004 @ 07:57 |
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@Praetor
Now the wierd thing is, how come the 9700 was paired up against the Ti4600 (both in terms of price and chronologically) ... or was the 9700 and the 9700Pro two completely different things?
Not sure - that is going back 18 months or more - I don't remember if the original 9700 was a DX8.1 or DX9 - are you thinking of the 9500?
I think the 9700 came out some time before the 5800 so the 4600 would have been the only nVidia cards to compare it too. I honestly can't remember.
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3. September 2004 @ 09:06 |
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Finally another ATI driver update for Linux, but still many problems. At least this time the driver is not in RPM only, unlike the last update in March, which took nearly a year for them to deliver after being promised in 2003. It still requires a kernel recompile as shown in the how to at http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/
In contrast, the Nvidia drivers install in minutes with a GPL'ed installation program.
The forums at rage3d are full of people complaining about performance issues - in some cases a 9700 is detected as a 9500 cutting the number of rendering pipelines in half. FSAA is still problematic in the latest drivers.
As I said months ago on the first thread of this topic, ATI is not a very good choice unless you only run Windows. While both Nvidia and ATI make good hardware, Nvidia wins hands down in driver coding, especially in alternate OSes and in my opinion, the Windows drivers are more stable too. I do not have a current ATI board because of the lack of alternate OS support. I have had a ATI Mach 32 (which also had lots of driver issues), the original All in Wonder, and a Radeon 7000 in the past. With Linux approaching a noticeable amount of market share and having a very vocal community that will not hesitate to tell the world about issues with ATI hardware, it seems to me very bad business sense to not hire a couple coders to make some decent Linux drivers instead of the problematic attempts made currently.
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