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I wasn't being confrontational at all and wasn't taking anything you said as such.
NIS does take up system resources. Nobody, and I don't think even Symantec, is denying that. The links were only to show that Norton has won awards in the past. No great feat, seems somebody is always giving them out. Anyone with a little PC, with limited resources, should think twice before adding one of the Norton software suites. As I mentioned, I've never put it on a tiny system where it would cause a problem and haven't had any to date.
Hmmm... Editor's Award? Does Zonealarm, Norton, or other AV ware edit? Not likely, unless you consider removing a virus as editing. I wish they would publish some of the criteria used for making those awards (maybe the criteria was "edited" out, LOL). What unbiased research facility actually set down and did the testing and where are those results?
There's room for more than one AV app. It seems the market is flooded with AV ware though, some not so good and others "award" winning. Spammers, hackers, crackers, and the gaggle of attackers have fostered multi million dollar businesses. Seems they've done more damage to wallets than PCs. Gotta have those AV apps.
Speaking of money, magazines and other media sources require funds to stay in business. Besides sales to consumers, adverts are a staple that keeps them going. Who advertises? Think companies like Symantec, McAfee, Zonelabs, and the many other AV ware companies. I wonder if some of the awards may not be for advertising instead of "editing". LOL The attack gang has even helped out the mags. Who hasn't vicariously read those stories about the villainous virus attacks and the valiant geeks at the dauntless software companies who come heroically to our rescue, zooming courageously down the net by way of their trusty, shiny PCs? (A little melodramatic, I know. l0l little laugh) Point being, at what point does a media source stop being unbiased and resort to the fiancial model for self preservation? Don't ya love how I sneak in an "editorial". LOL
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4. November 2005 @ 13:24 |
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I wasn't being confrontational at all and wasn't taking anything you said as such.
LOL, I never thought you were being confrontational, I've known you long enough to know the difference by now.
I have to be fair in stating that I also like Norton's and just for the record they've both received Editor choice awards at the same time. Zone Alarm just edged out Norton's for a slightly better overall rating.
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4. November 2005 @ 15:19 |
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I used to be a Norton fan some time ago. It is still an option for some but it annoys the heck out of me from so many angles I no longer use it or recommend it to anyone.
McAfee is what I used until last year. Now it has joined the list of bloated annoying programs I don't use anymore.
I use a mix of ZoneAlarm for firewall and Trend PC-cillan.
ZoneAlarm has always been my favorite firewall. PC-cillan is presently the most aggressive anti-virus that I have found.
Norton and McCafee just miss to much and use to many resources.
The loaded components sometimes take on a life of their own and nothing short of complete removal calms the system down.
I like to keep full control of my system and Norton makes that difficult.
Donald
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4. November 2005 @ 15:28 |
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Gentlemen,
I am not a big booster of Norton AV. We had it on my office computer that cratered from a virus so bad that the partition had to be wiped and everything re-installed. Since this was the second time in 2 years with expensive 2004 & 2005 software Suites from Symantic (as in nervous tic), I e-mailed M$ and asked their recomendation for AV. They sent me a CD with Computer Associates AV on it and Service Pack 2. I haven't had any virus problems since. If it can't remove a virus (like jar cache files that are usually zip files) it lets me know the location and I erase that file with eraser. I've gotten in the habit of erasing the jar cache files about once a month. The only thing that takes a little getting used to is that the files scroll down with the last operation first. It took me a little while to realise that the lower file is the virus and the top one how it was dealt with. CA updates a couple of times a week and sends me e-mail to let me know about the upgrade and it's content! Not only that M$ gave me a second year free. When I pay, it will be CA! Hey, I'm a Poet!!!
For Spyware I use Spybot Search and Destroy. Leo LaPort recomended it at the time so I use it. Very minimal spyware problems. I scan it about every 2 weeks to make sure there are no problems. Not much gets by and any change to my registry are paused first for my approval. If something doesn't look right I say no and check it out first. These programs seem to work very well together.
Just my 2 cents worth,
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4. November 2005 @ 16:04 |
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Wow!
I'm always amazed at what will come out of these threads that we make. We're a true online community. LOL
But what I really enjoy most is how all of us come together from far away places, together as a functioning community, a team if you will, a mobile community bent on finding the right answers to the same questions. A multiple intelligences get together and share event. LOL
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To All,
I just spotted this motherboard at compusa.com. Whoever named it has a strange sense of humor!
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/854/fatalcopy7zk.jpg
Don't know that I would buy a MB with the model name Fatal! If you look at it quick it looks like Fatality!
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To sophocles,
I meant to ask you the other day. How do you determine the multiplier for a given CPU? You had mentioned this when talking about the Athlon64 X2 4400+ you wanted and how hard it was to find a CPU with a 9x multiplier.
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Russ
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4. November 2005 @ 18:28 |
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Divide your Processors rated speed by its native front side bus speed. For example, I have a Venice core 3500+ which is clocked at 2.2 GHZ when I divide it by the memory's native 200 frontside bus I get 11 which is my clock multiplier speed. I now have my system to 2.64 GHZ which is still divided by 200, with a multiplier of 11 which gives you a frontside bus speed of over 240.
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4. November 2005 @ 20:03 |
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To All,
What does SLI stand for and what does it do? I noticed at newegg.com that they also have an A8N Deluxe. Which I gather is non-SLI Don't mean to be stupid but I haven't got a clue!
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SLI allows one to use two graphics cards at the same time acting as one but with faster graphics processing.
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4. November 2005 @ 20:24 |
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Like I said, hock the progeny. You can benefit from the twin GPUs I mentioned for a "dream machine" without serious overclocking. It only costs several hundred dollars more. LOL
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5. November 2005 @ 00:00 |
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Well i,m on my first ever amd as i decided i wanted to spend a fortune on a pc that would be future proof for a few yrs so my system consists of the following maybe you can tell me how it stacks up against my older p4 3.60 560
AMD FX-57
2 gig of pc 3200
asus sli diamond mobo
2 x 256MB NVIDIA 7800GTX GDDR3 PCI-E graphics
2 x 320GB 7200rpm SATA hard disk
sony multi format dual layer dvd burner.
Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic
creative mega works 770 7.1 speakers
sony 19" x black monitor
so far it kills my p4 in everything but i,m only had it 2 weeks so have not got round to any video processing. but i much prefer it over my p4 to date.
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5. November 2005 @ 01:24 |
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Well, that's a lot to spend for a single thread chip. A dual core would have been a good play at those prices. You bought bragging rights though, it is a fast chip. Various sites are showing similar processing capabilities from the less expensive AMD CPUs that have been OCed. And where are the Raptors for the RAID?
It would have been interesting as well if you'd given us some info on the components you used. What you gave us is a vague shopping list. What PC3200 RAM was used? Which Asus board was it? Even on the Asus site they don't list a Diamond Board? Little things like those tell us if what you have is all it could have been? ;)
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5. November 2005 @ 02:00 |
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SLi stands for Sacelable link interface, but generally means 'loaded', 'rich' 'damn you' 'your PC's better than mine' and so on and so forth.
The rival system is ATI's Crossfire, which debuts in my country (UK) on November 28th. Preliminary Benchmark results have proved inconclusive so far, but the benchmarks on the X1800 series single cards have shown a large performance increase over the rival 7800GTX, so things look promising.
As for me, a single AGP card will do, it's the most expensive single component I've ever bought.
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5. November 2005 @ 04:36 |
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I don't know where you purchased your machine but the FX57 is a waste of money and Hynix memory is mediocre. You could have purchased the AMD64 4000+ which has the same San Diego core as the FX57 and you could have purchased two 512 mhz sticks of the best memory sold. That's both for less than $600 which is a savings of over $400 against the price of the FX57 alone without counting the cost of the cheap memory. The AMD64 4000+ only differs from the FX57 by a little binning and its clock multiplier of 14 versus the 4000's clock multiplier of 12. They are otherwise exactly the same San Diego cored chip. With good quality memory the front side bus could essily hit 240 MHZ or higher and with the 4000+ clock multiplier of 12 it would reach a core speed of 2.88 GHZ which is faster than the FX57. With the savings you could have bought another nvidia 7800 video card and still saved.
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5. November 2005 @ 06:55 |
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That hurts. I feel really sorry for him now.
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And for those who think in dollars and not pounds, that site is listing the PC for 2,499 pounds which converts to about $4,376. Considering that a person could get the AMD 64 4000+ CPU, Asus board, and good RAM for a little over $700 (about 400 pounds), just think what could be done with the rest of that money. I person could have a super PC as compared to just a fast one. Decimator is a good name for that PC. Overpriced as it is, that's exactly what it does to a bank account.
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Ok Agreed but you cant compare $ to £ as our cost of viving is so much hogher here that yours example a gallon of petrol Gas is £5 here thats about us$9 also cigarettes are more they go about us$11 for 20 so the whole price of the machine in dollars seems more than it is, also the machine came with the 4800+ as standard it was only us$75 upgrade to the fx-57 and according to sisoft it clocking at 2.84 and i think $75 for the fx 57 over the 4800 is pretty good the 4000 is hard to get here as its considered a budgetchip most people go for the 4400 and over also yes $4700 seems a lot but it comes with 3 yrs warranty onsite, micrsoft office ,1 yrs broadband subscription, webcam and over 20 games and a saitex cyborg evo joystick so its a good package and i still prefer the amd over my old p4 so i am a convert and i have 2 7800,s graphics cards already lol , and its ok sammorris i asked for the advice and bro told me i,m not upset over it as i said i dont know the diff beteeen the various chips on amd i did a web search and time after time the 57 won against all the others p4 or amd i dont go into overclocking so am happy with the speed according to an american website the 57 is about 8% quicker than the amd 4800 and almost 13% quicker againd the p4 3.73 ee so i,m very happy with it
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Ironically brobear, Evesham brought out a £2400 media centre PC called the decimator earlier this year, with an FX55, X850XT Platinum, 2GB of memory etc.
The X2 3800 is quite common in the UK, being the cheapest option, and a large number of system manufacturers use it and the 4200. The 4400 and 4600 arent quite so common (the 4600 especially, with good reason), but the 4800 being the top end model appears on numerous websites.
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I only mentioned dollars to pounds so the audience on the US side of the pond would have a better picture. I understand monetary rates and how local economies affect those exchange rates. I'm well aware of the cost of living being higher in the UK. That's why 1 pound is about $1.75 US. Currency values fluctuate, I've seen the pound much higher in the past. Fuel cost is a poor example though, because you have the taxation as well as import and production costs.
Getting back to PCs. One comparably priced in the US would be about $4,400 US. Here's a factory built custom for about that price. It comes overclocked and liquid cooled and is one of the fastest gamers available. You can check it out at Alienware's site. http://www.alienware.com/ALX_pages/aurora_alx.aspx 
They've even got a $5,100 P4. http://www.alienware.com/ALX_pages/area51_alx_sli.aspx P4s are more expensive to build to get comparable results to the AMD at top end.
Taking in to account the exchange rates, those are similarly priced with the P4 being somewhat more expensive, with the AMD version being almost dead on.
At those prices, I'd still rather build my own for less than half the cost. It may not have liquid cooling, but then I prefer something a little less extreme with a better life expectancy.
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6. November 2005 @ 04:06 |
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Cost aside it does look like a nice system. I can't afford to buy completed systems so I build.
Building your own can give performance advantages for a lower price if you have the time and don't mind fixing problems yourself.
The dual cores are a much better deal for future proofing because you get 2 processors to thrash instead of one. With multitasking and new programs coming out to take advantage of SMP then in a year you'll be less likely to need a faster processor.
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6. November 2005 @ 04:18 |
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And with an X1000 series video card, you won't need a fast processor at all, since AViVo will do all the work for it!
My planned new system involves a mere Athlon64 3500 but with an X1800XT. That's how I like my systems. It works out at £1100 with finance (i.e. pay nothing for 9 months lump sum) which is around about $1900 at the moment i think, not bad for something with THE top end graphics card in it!
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6. November 2005 @ 04:24 |
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Actually the Venice core 3500+ is a fast processor. It'll run 2.6 ghz without pushing hard. 2.8 with some extra power. Video cards can only do so much. They still have to be fed by a decent processor.
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