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Creating your own dvd-audio cd?
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akala
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30. January 2005 @ 04:19 |
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Is it posible to creat your own dvd-a cd?
Like download files (songs) that are recorded in 5:1 and burn them with your dvdrecorder? So that you can play it on suraound system...and it will sound like a bought dvd-a cd?
Is WaveLab 5.0 anything like that?
Thank you experts!
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haysonics
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31. January 2005 @ 18:17 |
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DVD-A is 24bit which is higher quality than 16Bit CD. So it is more than just having 5.1 channels instead of 2 that makes a DVD-A what it is. I don't think you'll find much on the net cause 5.1 channels of 24BIT music takes up a hell of a lot of space. It would take a long time to download a song, let alone a whole album. The majority of what's on the net is MP3 which is much lower quality than CD and so takes up very little space. In 10 years there will probably be a lot on the net but at the moment the majority of people are happy with low quality MP3.
Also keep in mind that a DVD-A disc is different from a normal DVD. They may both have 5.1 channels but the info is stored differently. You can't use a regular dvd ripper program (like for example dvd shrink) to rip the content off a DVD-A disc. There are a couple of software programs out there that can author DVD-A content. If you can find a program to rip DVD-A you would still be left with the problem of obtaining the DVD-A discs to rip from. If you had a friend with a collection you could borrow his I suppose.
My advice, if you have the cash, buy a cheap universal player that plays DVD-A's and SACD's and buy some DVD-A's and SACD's. You won't be able to trade songs but you can impress your friends when they come over with comments like "This is how the music sounds in the recording studio". Enjoy.
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kanyons
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1. February 2005 @ 14:47 |
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You should be able to burn a dvd data disc in Nero. Using mp3 or wav files, these files are the probably the best you'll get.
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diabolos
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3. February 2005 @ 10:11 |
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akala
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3. February 2005 @ 12:46 |
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There are a couple of software programs out there that can rip DVD-A content but then you are left with the problem of obtaining the DVD-A discs to rip from...
What is the name of those programs?
My advice, if you have the cash, buy a cheap universal player....
Yes i have a panasonic soround system but it doesnt play sacd...welll doesnt mater anyway...is there a difference betwen dvd-a and sacd?
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akala
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3. February 2005 @ 12:50 |
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Diabolos wrote: (The answer is) No! You can't rip a DVD-Audio disc. You also can't create an audio CD anywhere neer the quality of DVD-Audio. Some type of compression would have to be used.
haysonics wrote:
There are a couple of software programs out there that can rip DVD-A content
Are there programs or not? And if so what is the name?
Thank you!
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haysonics
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3. February 2005 @ 18:52 |
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Sorry, My mistake,
I should have said there are a couple of programs that allow you to author (not rip) DVD-A. Wilkes mentions one such authoring program in the thread/poll at the top titled "should the law allow......" Sorry I can't remember the name, but I am sure you'll find it worth reading through.
DVD-A and SACD are different formats. It doesnt matter that your panasonic doesnt play SACD's unless of course there are SACD's that you want to play. Due to the technicalities involved I won't go into detailing the differences here or the hot debate of which sounds better. Both sound great to my ears.
I haven't come across any downloadable 5.1 mixes on the net (not that I have been looking). Do you find much available on the net akala?
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akala
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6. February 2005 @ 09:53 |
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...Well no i havent found any...I guess it's yet not time for them. Mabye when or if dvd-a gets more popular...
Anyway i bought a dvd-a disc "Vivaldi four seasons" and it sounds great! really big difference listening to dvd-a and regular cd.
I saw also that the store was selling led zeppelin in dvd-a. How can this be when hes cd was recorded in the 70's????
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This 2-disc DVD-Audio album contains the original 18 live-tracks. Containing two and a half hours of live rock, 'How The West Was Won' contains performances recorded during two concerts at the Los Angeles Forum and Long Beach Arena on June 25th and June 27th 1972. These recordings were produced by Jimmy Page. Exclusive colour photos of the group performing live on stage introduce each track. There are also options to choose between 5.1 Surround Sound and Stereo playback.
How is this possible???
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haysonics
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6. February 2005 @ 13:23 |
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The standard way to record music, either in a studio or live (until recently) was to record it onto a multitrack tape machine. Youve probably seen these in pictures. They have big reels of tape, typically 2 inch wide, running at either 15 or 30 inches per second.
Remember cassettes? Well cassette tape has 4 tracks on it, 2 tracks for side A (left & right channels/speakers) and 2 tracks for side B (left & right channels/speakers). The first 4 Beatles albums were recorded on big tape reels that had 4 tracks (like big cassettes really). By 1966, Tape had 8 tracks on it. Then came 16. Then 24.
Basically you can record a bass guitar on track 1, electric on track 2, another electric on 3, keyboard on 4, vocals on .....well you get the picture.
When you have laid down all your tracks you then mix the recording down to 2 tracks. Thats your stereo mix. Nowdays bands are getting their multitracks tapes out of storage and doing new mixdowns. Now they are mixing the recording onto a computer storage device at 24BIT resolution and issuing high quality "remasters". They can of course now also mix their recording to 5.1 channels as well (also at 24BIT).
So now you can buy a DVD-A which contains new mixes, in stereo (2 channels) and surround (5.1 channels) at 24 Bit.
PS. I should add that some bands are very happy with their original stereo mixes (on analogue tape) and so transfer these to the 24Bit workstation for remastering rather than do a new mix.
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12. February 2005 @ 14:06 |
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Certainly the recording studios have Software that allows one to create a 5.1 DVD-A. Maybe that is the software you should purchase?
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diabolos
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19. February 2005 @ 22:18 |
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Absolutly right haysonics! I think its sad that most people don't know what there missing. Even if the music is from the 60's it is possible to remaster it to 6 channel audio. With todays tech each track would have its own discrete sound info and channel, not to mention the 24-bit sound stream sampled at 96 KHz.
Magnetic Tape info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_recording#Multitrack_recording
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bitbrain2
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26. February 2005 @ 15:13 |
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I know 2 programs that can author DVD-A´s, one is very expensive, Minnetonka Discwelder, and the second is Steinberg Wavelab 5.0
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madtamski
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27. February 2005 @ 13:11 |
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I've recently came across this piece of software
named "Audio DVD Creator". It converts standard
CD audio, or mp3's to AC3. It also creates simple playlist menus.
Here's the homepage...
http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/index.htm
p.s. 1st post :D
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zjzzjc1
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1. March 2005 @ 19:12 |
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Is there any such software
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madtamski
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4. March 2005 @ 09:35 |
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Well yes, I just posted a link to one two posts above this one!
It's works fine.
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jjolson
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29. March 2005 @ 00:18 |
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It's just that Audio DVD Creator has nothing whatsoever to do with DVD-Audio...
There's NO program that can rip DVD-Audio. All "DVD Audio Ripper" programs rip the DD/DTS audio from DVD-Video disks...
There ARE programs that can author DVD-Audio, like Discwelder, DVD-Audio Creator, Wavelab. But if you want high-quality 96/24/5.1 DVD-Audio you also need:
* High-quality 96/24/5.1, which you can't get if you're not creating it yourself or take it from a hacked DVD player in PCM format.
* A MLP encoder, since that HQ 96/24/5.1 audio can't play on a DVD-Audio player without compression. Surcode MLP, costs $2500. Both Discwelder and Wavelab needs this, if you want the real HQ audio. I think DVD-Audio Creator recommends Sonicstage HD as MLP encoder, probably $2500. meridian has an encoder as well, I think. $2500.
Edit: One possibility is 44.1/16/5.1 DVD-Audio. That would be surround sound in CD quality, with lower data throughput than the limit for DVD players and better sound than DD/DTS 5.1. I haven't checked if that's part of the DVD-Audio standard, though. And DTS 5.1 could be done with lower compression than on normal DVD-Video disks, Jean-Michel Jarre's "Aero" shows how good the sound can be. And Surcode DTS only costs $99, but I don't know what limitations that may have.
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XBG
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5. April 2005 @ 18:16 |
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I saw also that the store was selling led zeppelin in dvd-a. How can this be when hes cd was recorded in the 70's????
I have The Allman Brothers "Live at Filmore East" in DTS 5.1 and it sounds like it was recorded yesterday but it was actually taped in March of 1971.
I also have Fleetwood Mac's studio album "Rumours" in DVD Audio and it's the same, being recorded in 1977.
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cccgi
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11. July 2005 @ 22:39 |
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Hi all,
I'm totally new to this forum. Just minutes ago I came across this thread and I'm interested in ripping DVD-A. Just recently I heard that it can be done by a patched version of WinDVD. The original article named "DVD-Audio's CPPM can be got around with a WinDVD patch" can be found on cdfreaks.com, try this link: http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12061
But as the article said that patch from Rarewares had gone not long ago. I've been trying to look everywhere if some websites mirror that patch, but still can't find one. If anybody can find, please post the link for everyone.
I also found it is very interesting with Ulead DVD MovieFactory - Disc Creator version, which said in the website:
"Make Dolby® Digital Audio DVD Discs
You can pack 45 hours of Dolby® Digital Audio music onto one DVD disc. Import uncompressed CD music and it will automatically be converted. Play the completed discs on almost any car or home DVD player.
Burn DVD-Audio Discs
Get 6 hours of great, uncompressed-quality music on a DVD-Audio disc. Play on DVD-Audio players or on DVD players that support the DVD-Audio format."
Follow this link:
http://www.ulead.com/dmf/new.htm
My question is that if anybody tries this software? I tried the Standard version, but I found it's so simple that it's not useful for me.
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jjolson
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16. January 2006 @ 08:55 |
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Well, how difficult do you want it for it to be useful to you?
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17. January 2006 @ 06:44 |
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It's illegal to rip protected DVD-A discs, and I for one have no intentions of telling anyone how to do it.
As far as the Ulead package goes, you gets what you pays for.
If you need all the bells & whistles, then you need Sonic's DVD-Audio creator ($5,000 for the LE version & $15K for the full one) or Minnetonka's Chrome ($3000 plus MLP at another $2500, or both for $5,000)
The Ulead tool is consumer grade.
If you want Pro grade, then you have to pay for it.
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watou
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23. January 2006 @ 12:48 |
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My understanding is that the software to encode/decode Meridian Lossless Packing (MLP)--how high-quality audio is compressed without degradation onto DVDs--is licensed out by Dolby to software and hardware OEMs, who must then pass the cost along to licensees (customers).
What I don't know is if MLP is an open standard but currently only has one proprietary source, or if it is a proprietary standard that requires licensing of both the encoder to audio engineers and the decoder to DVD makers. Creative bundles a DVD-Audio player with some of their hardware, which means there must be a decoder in there somewhere (maybe in their sound cards)?
In any case, if there is no freeware MLP codec or encoder out there, there ought to be. Does anyone know where/if there is a detailed specification document for MLP that can be freely accessed?
Other options for lossless compression of high-resolution digital audio are FLAC and WavePacker, but neither can be played on the players out there now, since they are not part of any DVD Forum standard.
BY THE WAY: If you are thinking of purchasing Nero 7 Ultra because its web site advertises "DVD-Audio support" -- STOP. It is false advertising. It has been almost a month since I purchased Nero 7 Ultra based on this false advertising, and they won't even respond to my customer support inquiries.
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24. January 2006 @ 02:40 |
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My understanding is that the software to encode/decode Meridian Lossless Packing (MLP)--how high-quality audio is compressed without degradation onto DVDs--is licensed out by Dolby to software and hardware OEMs, who must then pass the cost along to licensees (customers).
What I don't know is if MLP is an open standard but currently only has one proprietary source, or if it is a proprietary standard that requires licensing of both the encoder to audio engineers and the decoder to DVD makers. Creative bundles a DVD-Audio player with some of their hardware, which means there must be a decoder in there somewhere (maybe in their sound cards)?
In any case, if there is no freeware MLP codec or encoder out there, there ought to be. Does anyone know where/if there is a detailed specification document for MLP that can be freely accessed?
MLP Lossless was developed by a UK company called Meridian Audio, and there is not one single good reason for them to give it away as open source.
They spent years developing this, and as a small company it is quite ridiculous to claim that it should be free. This is the real world here, not some idealized utopia where "everything is free, man".
These people spent a heck of a lot of money developing this. And programmers have families to feed too - SafeWay & Sainsburys do not give food away for free, and the power companies don't give it away either.
There are no detailed documents either - unless you want to go look it up in the patents office, where you will find it is patented for the next 25 years at least.
The encoder is the part with all the complexity, and every DVD-A player is required to be capable of decoding - so where is your problem? Every DVD-A player will decode the stream, so my guess is that you feel you should be able to encode into this format for free, right? WHY? What gives you the right to tell Meridian they have to throw away all their development money because you don't want to pay for the software?
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Other options for lossless compression of high-resolution digital audio are FLAC and WavePacker, but neither can be played on the players out there now, since they are not part of any DVD Forum standard.
All these are giveaways, unsupported and clearly stated as "USE AT YOUR OWN RISK" software.
Naturally it is not DVD-A legal. The requirements for DVD-A are a lot more stringent than that.
All these "everything should be free" posts are bollocks, they really are.
Look what happened with soft players - it simply lets the thieves in, which is exactly why Sony will not license drives or soft SACD players
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watou
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24. January 2006 @ 06:28 |
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Man, you are one angry bloke! I made my career inventing and selling software, so I don't really need a lecture about protecting intellectual property for the benefit of its creators.
As a consumer, I am not fond of having the intellectual property I license controlled by one licensing entity, both in its production and when it's played. This is a reasonable grumble I and many people have, no matter how much you choose to stomp your feet about it.
If it has come to pass that the MLP codec is totally proprietary to one licensing entity, then that's how it is. I still benefit from the resulting work product. I hope the creators make money off it, as opposed to cretinous executives or other business types who exist only to syphon off whatever they can from the inventors.
As for this forum site, I'm not coming back, because it has nasty impolite gremlins like you, waiting in the wings, lashing out at people like me who are just asking questions. I don't need a dose of your psychosis today, or any other day. Maybe see a shrink or up the anti-depressants?
In the meantime, b'bye.
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24. January 2006 @ 06:40 |
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The only thing that makes me angry are the non stop posts about how everything should be available for free.
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In any case, if there is no freeware MLP codec or encoder out there, there ought to be. Does anyone know where/if there is a detailed specification document for MLP that can be freely accessed?
WHY should this be free? Dolby did the decent thing and licensed a version of the decoder in software for WinDVD 6 and Creative Labs, and it was promptly hacked and used to steal content. That's what they got for their attempts, and who can blame the licensees for tightening up.
How did you deal with it then - did you give away free versions of everything you wrote? Or did you license it?
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haysonics
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24. January 2006 @ 17:50 |
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This is probably a little off topic but as most of you are interested in the future of high resolution music...
If you are considering buying a SACD/DVD-A player but want a test drive of 24Bit quality first you will be happy to hear about QUEEN's 30th Anniversary edition of A Night At The Opera.
It comes with a bonus DVD that works in any DVD player and contains the album in uncompressed 24Bit audio. The DVD also contains an interesting 5.1 channel mix in DTS (if your player/receiver can decode DTS). This is the first time I have heard of an album being available in 24Bit on a regular DVD. I imagine after Brian May released the DVD-A it was the next logical thing to do.
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