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PC Networked Vs Viper Modchip
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DaiBach
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11. February 2005 @ 12:13 |
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Can someone tell me which they think is the easier method?
It seems to me the Networked option would be easier and less costly.
I'll be d/ling iso's off the internet.
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Quadratic
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11. February 2005 @ 13:40 |
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Get the Viper Modchip dude. It's way less stress because with streaming you have to load PSO, stream the game from your computer and a whole bunch of crap. With the modchip, you can play your games on discs.
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DaiBach
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11. February 2005 @ 13:45 |
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Can you boot backups without disc swapping yet??
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11. February 2005 @ 14:45 |
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Actually you will still need to network no matter what way you go PSO with BBA or ViperGC with BBA to make your backups.I would suggest the ViperGC over the PSO method since it can boot backups on discs and doesn't have glitchy noises or movies freezes.The streaming game method is not updated as much anymore also where the ViperGC modchip has updates frequently.I hope this helps you out on which one to get,but make sure you get a Broad Band Adapter or you will not be able to backup any of your originals.
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Quadratic
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11. February 2005 @ 19:35 |
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Uh, Clone CD eliminates the need for streaming ;)
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11. February 2005 @ 20:35 |
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C'Mon man if CloneCD can read an original GameCube disc everyone on here would be using that program.It would be the top priority program for making a GC image.I don't believe CloneCD works for me since I have attempted and have had no success with it,but I can prove that BBA with PSO or BBA with ViperGC works.The only thing I can say CloneCD can do for me is burn the already made images that is pretty much it.DaiBach if you go with the ViperGC you will need an original game to boot your backup.If you are right on this Quadratic,don't believe it myself,then you are saying that CloneCD can read the GC as an external drive rather than plugging the game inside of your PC?Let me know how the steps are if it is true or not,because CloneCD is a good program in all.It has had alot of success with copy protected discs,but GameCube games have protection on them like Xbox games have.The code on the disc has to be bypassed before even reading it.I am very positive that Nintendo is alot harder than Microsoft is on copy protection.
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Quadratic
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12. February 2005 @ 04:53 |
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The thing is that Microsoft has better security measures than Nintendo. Microsoft has implented a dual layer or something like that so that if you put an xbox game in your pc, and use ANY program, it will read a 13.6 MB file telling you to put the game in your xbox.
However, with Nintendo, it's just that the structure of the disc is reversed.
I was just as skeptical as you man, but I'm telling you, this has got to be the files.
Before I backed up the game with CloneCD, I opened Alcohol 120, and saw this:
So then I proceeded to use CloneCD. After 3 1/2 hours, I looked in my folder and saw this:
As for the steps. You gotta let CloneCD close the disc drive that the game is in for it to work (at least that's what I've read). It'll do it once you select the drive. Once that happens, then it'll say "DVD." Select it, and just have some patience. It should finish within a 24 hour time period.
CloneCD doesn't read it easily, and it will report "failed to read sector xxxx" in the log, but yet the percentage rises like every three minutes or something like that (for mine's it did).
I don't know if it will work for everyone else. I just know that it worked for me :)
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Artlover
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12. February 2005 @ 06:23 |
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Before I backed up the game with CloneCD, I opened Alcohol 120, and saw this:
What DVD drive do you have? Because I have 5 DVD drives, 1 rom {no-name} and 4 burners (NEC 3500A, Lite-On LDW451, Toshiba SD1502, Optorite DD0203). None of them can detect the GC disk at all.
Every app says no disc is inserted. Alcohol 120, CloneCD, DVDInfo, IsoBuster, etc..
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Quadratic
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12. February 2005 @ 08:30 |
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I have two dvd drives. The one I used was the Philips 8421 DVD+RW DL.
Did you let CloneCD close the disc drive when you used CloneCD?
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12. February 2005 @ 14:31 |
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I have the Sony DRU-710A burner which is Dual Layer support.I will go back and attempt to try it like you said,but hopefully my drive works.I think it is a compatibility issue with Dvd drives to be honest.The pics you displayed are pretty convincing.I am going to go check it out and see if it will work for me or not.Thanks for the little tut with pics Quadratic hope it works out with my drive.
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Anoobis
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12. February 2005 @ 16:44 |
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i think its a fake,put a burned gamecube fullsize dvd-/+r in your dvd-drive and check it with alcohol,you'll see exactly what the screenshot shows
and of course you can backup your backup in this way
nice try ;P
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Quadratic
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12. February 2005 @ 17:48 |
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Um, it's not, and I can assure you that it was an ORIGINAL GC disc.
I figured some of you would lash out and say something like that, but the real question is, Why would I have to lie about something like this? All I did was try it, and it worked. It's not some gimmick I'm trying to pull on anyone.
Good try at making an ass out of yourself
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Anoobis
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12. February 2005 @ 18:38 |
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well but its technically not possible that a normal dvd drive can read this :-/
when yours can read it,you surly can also make a screenshot from the disk content in the windows explorer
i'm waiting :P
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Quadratic
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12. February 2005 @ 19:09 |
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It won't show anything in Windows Explorer.
I've given you all the "proof" that I have. If you don't believe me, that's your choice, but I honestly got those files by using CloneCD and using the procedure above.
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Anoobis
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12. February 2005 @ 19:39 |
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wow,look,i got it to work with my NEC-1300A -_-
yes of course this is a "fake"
so it looks like when you're going to backup a backup
in this case with mariokart double dash
and thats why i'm not believing you,without any evidences :)
make a movie how you put an orginal gc disk in your drive and start the rip process,or something like that,be creativ ;P
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Quadratic
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12. February 2005 @ 20:28 |
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WTF Dude? I specifically said mine's took 3 1/2 hours, while yours only took 6 minutes :|
Also,did you even try putting in a GC disc and using CloneCD to read it.If you did, did you remember to leave it OPEN and let CloneCD closethe drive for you?
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Anoobis
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12. February 2005 @ 21:02 |
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i've already written that this was only a backup in the drive,burned-backups can be reconized in every normal-dvd-rom-drive with full speed :P
so it takes only 5-7 min per gc disk,my drive reads up to 16x (ca 11mb/sec)
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Lazycus
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13. February 2005 @ 07:20 |
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Don't be too quick to nullify Quadratic's claim. Supposedly some scene groups have modified their DVD drive's firmware to be able to read GC disks. Perhaps some DVD drives already can straight out of the box with the proper software.
Quadratic - are you using any special hacked firmware with your Philips(BenQ) drive or something else?
I think the GC has a very picky little laser and/or firmware that only likes to see quality media burnt on a quality drive at a higher speed (especially the 'n8' drives). Perhaps some of the newer DVD+-R/W dual layer drives can read the media as well with no mods.
I would like to see more proof too but I don't have the Philips drive he tested with. What else can you show us Quad?
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Artlover
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13. February 2005 @ 08:49 |
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Did you let CloneCD close the disc drive when you used CloneCD?
Yes, I let cloneCD close the drives, and they still don't see the disc. Seems like you're the only person in the world that can do this.
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13. February 2005 @ 12:24 |
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It didn't work for me either,but was worth a try hopefully making it easier to backup my GC games.I think it has something to do with the drives,this is not really a fake I still think.I have seen somebody else already get a read on a GC game using Pinnacle software instead of CloneCD,so the issue of not reading the discs has something to do with the firmware encryption I think.I think certain dvd drives will read these discs such as a Phillips drive or whatever is mentioned,because of hacked firmware where the dvd drive I have is using a non hacked firmware.It depends on the drive to be honest,but I don't mind streaming my images either.I think you will get the same results on the final image no matter what option you do.I actually save time on the process Quadratic for ripping my images,like I said could possibly depend on the firmware of your dvd drive.Anyways I don't think it is fake,and yes this has been possible and very well could exist.Although some people will doubt what you mentioned is fake,I have heard it is possible from someone already off another thread on here so that is enough proof for me.If three people say that their drives can read the images then I have to say they are lucky,and it doesn't work for me.Well that is really all I can say on this and the fact that it still doesn't work for me doesn't help me,but if anyone has the same drive that Quadratic has then it is something to check out.I think this is the only problem that GC has is compatibility issues,if it wasn't for that it would be one of best systems out.I am getting tired of buying new stuff for this system such as ethernet cards and crap like that so I am fine with what I have,and will keep the setup that works the best for me.Artlover I was thinking the same thing until I realized I heard this a couple times before.Trust me on this alright,if it doesn't work for you then don't worry about it.It won't help thinking about it,but there is more proof than this post if you search off SuperTed's thread.The firmware plays a big part in reading these discs I think,especially hacked firmware.
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Quadratic
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13. February 2005 @ 13:53 |
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The thing is, I don't have hacked firmware either. I don't know what it is. I just followed the instructions from that site, and it worked.
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CAR8624
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13. February 2005 @ 15:21 |
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I've tried the CDClone Method and it worked [using Plexator 712A with firmware updates specificly from Plexator website]. However unlike Quadratic's time, it took me almost 12 hours to copy a GCN Game onto computer. So which one is better? I rather go with PSO method [comparing to CDClone] since it is faster and has a set "copying" time [52 Minutes - more or less]. CDClone is for those who do not want to get PSO [or cannot find it anymore], and do not want to get Broadband Adapter.
Sticking to the topic - I would rather go for Viper Modchip if you got someone to install it for you. If it's run on a DVD [Full or Mini Sized], it loads so much better than streaming. Though I am streaming mine, I just want to have a backup of my games [so I could keep my originals in a safe place] AND play those if I really want to.
Less Expensive: PSO/BBA but deal with streaming problems.
Expensive but worth it: Viper Modchip and BBA [with or without PSO].
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indienemo
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18. February 2005 @ 03:49 |
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Vipers generally easier and better. I believe Quadratic, hes a decent guy with a reputation here. Not like one of those newbs who makes like 5 posts then makes a ridiculous claim with no hope of ever backing it up... (no pun intended)
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bens4life
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10. March 2005 @ 08:54 |
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Yep, Quad is correct. So far so good. I too have a philips DVD+RW drive on my Dell laptop. And Clonecd is doing exactly what he says it would. Keeps saying failed error sector xxxx but percentage rises very slowly. Game- Resident Evil 4. I don't have a modded gamecube so I won't be able to test it yet. Looks like what everyone will need to make gamecube backups is a philips dvd-rom drive or other that can read gamecube discs. Thanx also Quad for the Xbox backup guide. Some one please tell me who can mod my Gamecube for me?? I dont do mods myself.
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Quadratic
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10. March 2005 @ 08:56 |
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Hey, come to think of it, my DVD+RW is a Phillips! Maybe that's it!
I thought that 2 sheep burners could definitely copy the game with CloneCD, but it seems like only Phillips DVD+RW can.
Glad someone else got it besides me :)
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