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14. June 2007 @ 20:50 |
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Mort81,
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neither are even in the same ballpark as my E6600 @ 3.6ghz.
Ya Think!! How bout Zip Code! LOL!! ROFLMAO!!! Oops, did myself a hurt! LOL!!
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14. June 2007 @ 20:55 |
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How bout Zip Code!
lol, how about country :)
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14. June 2007 @ 21:03 |
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Mort81,
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lol, how about country :)
I'd comment but I got to stop laughing before I do myself another hurt!
Besides, we've sillied this thing to death! LOL!!
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14. June 2007 @ 23:31 |
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LOL
@mort + theone
u 2 can come visit MY "country" anytime in the near future! or would i be on a diff. planet in terms of comparisons? i still have my own Intel 3.4ghz Extreme Edition Northwood/Gallatin chip that will put a hurting on ANY Prescott single core chips...overclocked or not~ :)
that particular chip is on my oldest system i currently own (server-only)...it does what it should and downloads/uploads onto a single VERY old Western Digital 500gb IDE drive that is well beyond it's warranty! lol, got a Liteon SOHW-1693S for optical and 2gb of Mushkin DDR pc-3200 4x512mb 2-2-2-6 timings~ that memory AT THE TIME years ago, cost me close to $600 U.S for 2 kits (512mb x 2 per kit)....man, how far memory prices have dropped :( and how far technology has advanced!
interesting points of view when travelling down Intel vs. AMD memory lane wouldn't you say?
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15. June 2007 @ 00:46 |
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docTY,
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i still have my own Intel 3.4ghz Extreme Edition Northwood/Gallatin chip that will put a hurting on ANY Prescott single core chips...overclocked or not~ :)
Wouldn't even bring it to the party. I'll bring the A64 4000+ single core clocked at 3.0+ I mean this is Intel vs AMD, isn't it? LOL!!! Somebody has to defend the AMD side, don't they? LOL!!! I sure as hell can't win with a Prescot! ROFL It wouldn't be an unfair advantage, would it? It only OC's to 3.1. That's only 30%! Besides, you issued this challenge so I get to pick the weapons, so Nanny, Nanny, Boo, Boo! LOL!!!
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15. June 2007 @ 02:21 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Mermon, I think and they don't have the speed of the E series. The E4300 at 1.8GHz would be a great deal faster than either your old northwood or the 1505!
I think you're thinking of Merom, but the T7000 series have that architecture. The T2000 series had Yonah, but that was noticeably slower. A 2.13Ghz Yonah did compete with my X2 4200+ though, so they can't have been that bad.
As for you Ken, the fact that you've owned a Gallatin means that you're either rich, or interested in older high performance tech. Those things pushed big numbers, but god they were expensive!
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15. June 2007 @ 19:01 |
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I think the 2.13GHz Pentium M was when Intel really first flexed the muscles of Conroe tech. OC'd to 2.3GHz it was benchmarking close to an FX55/57 in gaming!
It couldn't keep up in media and such. But I swear I almost shat myself when I saw it benching that high in games.
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16. June 2007 @ 01:26 |
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Pentium M was conroe-based? You learn something new every day, I thought it was the Core solo.
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16. June 2007 @ 01:49 |
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The Pentium M's architecture was the Dothan chip, Not the Conroe! It's EIST SpeedStep technology, a completely different design.
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16. June 2007 @ 02:02 |
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Which ranged from the Pentium M described, down to the Celeron M in my parents' laptop. Ewww. 256MB of RAM is bad enough but I reckon a half-decent P3 would beat that thing limbless. I may not have seen a vast difference between my 4200+ and 3Ghz C2D (although I did see one) but the Core 2 and that laptop are worlds apart.
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16. June 2007 @ 02:14 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Pentium M was conroe-based?
i think its easier to think of it the other way around, were the conroe is born out of the pentium m's.
while intel us was pushing the pentiums(presscot) as far as they could go intels overseas (israel i think) was working on a more effiecent proc from the p3 design which is what ultimatly brought us the conroes.
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16. June 2007 @ 03:24 |
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marsey99,
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while intel us was pushing the pentiums(presscot) as far as they could go intels overseas (israel i think) was working on a more effiecent proc from the p3 design which is what ultimatly brought us the conroes.
The funny part of that story is there were 6 engineers who worked on the P3 Coppermine and when Intel canceled the development of the Coppermine, these guys kept on working on it because they believed in their design over anything else Intel had in the works at the time. I spite of Intel telling them to "cease and desist", they kept at it and damn near got fired until finally were forced to showed the "Powers that be" the fruits of their labor. Imagine if they had gotten fired! No Intel Conroe! No one else had a clue what they had accomplished! Imagine if they had sold their ideas to AMD if they had been fired by Intel! I doubt there was anything Intel could have done about it as it was considered obsolete chip architecture that had been abandoned by Intel years before!
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16. June 2007 @ 03:51 |
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Newer isn't always better, but of course Intel made up from that mistake, and unless AMD are going to haul some big numbers out of the Thunderbird architecture, I think there's some catching up to do!
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16. June 2007 @ 08:33 |
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im still waiting to see AMD's "Phenom" processors to come out and how they stack up against Intel's quad-core currently, i'm going to sell mine soon (Q6600) as i'm just not content on the OC'in prowess of it, even on water...3.4ghz highest i've been able to attain, which to most people 1000mhz/1ghz OC is all nice and dandy, but it's not good enough for me LOL :( i've put the idea of phase change cooling off until a later time...
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16. June 2007 @ 10:18 |
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I'd be more than happy to settle for 3.4Ghz lol, but I suppose compared to the Duos that is a bit pants.
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16. June 2007 @ 14:09 |
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Sam,
The AS5 I used for my CPU cooler and the Northbridge seems to have cured. I measured the air temp at the side inlet vent below the 80mm fan at 24C. I also changed to a higher 31 cfm 80mm fan blowing out, so now it actually pulls some of the heat out of the case off the top of the CPU cooler. The other one didn't have enough cfm to overcome the airflow from the Silverstone 120mm in the rear! A little louder than before but not annoying. Works obscenely well! LOL!!
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16. June 2007 @ 18:07 |
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Although I can't live with the noise normally, at my LAN party I turned my silverstone fans up to the 1800rpm mark. My X1900XT now idles at 39C and runs full load around 52. For a graphics card that normally runs at 56C idle and 91C load using the stock cooler, that's incredible.
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16. June 2007 @ 18:37 |
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sammorris,
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Although I can't live with the noise normally, at my LAN party I turned my silverstone fans up to the 1800rpm mark. My X1900XT now idles at 39C and runs full load around 52. For a graphics card that normally runs at 56C idle and 91C load using the stock cooler, that's incredible.
They do move large quantities of air at relatively slow rpms and are much quieter doing it than the original 37 cfm fan was at full speed! That's why I had to put a better 80mm in the side air duct. The old one just wasn't moving any air. If I made it blow in my temps went up! Now, I can feel heat being removed by it and feel airflow. The static vent draws enough air to hold a piece of bond paper without support from the desk! Helps keep my "very" overclocked video card cool!
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17. June 2007 @ 03:39 |
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wild speculation here based on no fact other than my opinion :)
i cant see phenom being a huge jump in performance for amd, its a slightly tweaked amd64 that now supports ddr3. in my mind its an evolution of now old tech and not the revolution that is/was core 2 duo.
i honestly hope i am wrong as the compition is good for us as buyers, but from what i have read it doesnt seem like amd will be catching up this year and if intel keep pushing the limits with c2d...who knows when they will?
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17. June 2007 @ 03:41 |
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Although I don't want to agree with that, I do, and I expect Intel may now have a lead equally as long as AMD did over the Netburst architecture. Difference is, the vast giant Intel could handle that misfortune, can AMD?
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17. June 2007 @ 22:53 |
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In all reality, Intel has always been the leader up untill the first time AMD took the lead some years ago. While I must admit, AMD may have not been the fastest chip years ago, it seemed more stable in the windows enviriment. of course even before AMD took over the lead there was always the false notion that AMD was the gamers chip! Intel got complacent and I do not see that happing again soon. But we are the winners now as AMD has slashed its price to the core. Benches are great but AMD chip are still fast and useful in the real world.
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18. June 2007 @ 00:38 |
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baltekmi,
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In all reality, Intel has always been the leader up untill the first time AMD took the lead some years ago. While I must admit, AMD may have not been the fastest chip years ago, it seemed more stable in the windows enviriment.
Having used AMD and Intel chips since the late 80s, I consider that a myth! I've used every version of Windows from 3.0 through XP-Pro except ME with no stability problems in the windows environment! Anyone having stability problems with ME deserves it! It's an OS that wasn't ready, wasn't willing and sure wasn't able. It's the only OS I've ever seen that has compatibility issues with itself! Intel was content to let AMD dominate the speed part, not on a chip for chip basis, as there they were about the same performance as the Intels at even up speeds, but in that almost from the start, AMD always had faster models of the current hot chip available. From the 386/40 all the way through the pentiums they always offered faster chips. When they introduced the K6, thier first in house designed from scratch chip, it made Compaqs and HPs the laptops to own, and made Intel take a serious look at their P2s! AMD has always been at least competitive with current Intel offerings until now!
The good news is that the Government won't let AMD go under, no matter what! That would be bad for the computer industry! I can see the Government giving them all sorts of help, tax breaks, etc! They'll be back!
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18. June 2007 @ 02:33 |
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Thinking about it Russ,
C2D's dropped 1 million iterations super pi times to around 19 secs at stock speeds.
AMD's FX62 overclocked was getting around 27-28 secs 1 million iterations.
If AMD can gain the same performance increase with their new cores we're
looking at some seious grunt.
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18. June 2007 @ 02:52 |
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Originally posted by marsey99:
wild speculation here based on no fact other than my opinion :)
i cant see phenom being a huge jump in performance for amd, its a slightly tweaked amd64 that now supports ddr3. in my mind its an evolution of now old tech and not the revolution that is/was core 2 duo.
i honestly hope i am wrong as the compition is good for us as buyers, but from what i have read it doesnt seem like amd will be catching up this year and if intel keep pushing the limits with c2d...who knows when they will?
:) i just wanted to put the "phenom" cpus' out there as a possibilty, probably because i'm not satisfied at this point w/ quad-cores in general...but i totally agree with your OPINION and feel that it's right on the mark :P i think your statement is accurate and i agree, but hopefully we're BOTH wrong and it proves to be something very decent.
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18. June 2007 @ 04:55 |
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@docty
have you ever thought about a xeon setup?
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