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DMR EH85H sounds goes off When Recording TV Shows
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metaldude
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6. May 2005 @ 06:39 |
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Has anyone had problems recording TV programs on to the hardrive after playing back from it, every few minutes the sound goes off for a second it really shit me when taping Rage on to the hardrive it did it twice on a Rammstein clip, also i hate this that if you burn something on to DVD-R it makes a chapter if it's over 5 minutes anyway of stoping it,i may want something that 5 minutes and 30 seconds but dont like to press next to get 30 seconds,This Panasonic DVD Recorder doesn't even record a 2 hour disc in SP it usually only record 1 hour 45 minutes when the disc says says actually 2h 10 min on SP.
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VideoBob
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6. May 2005 @ 11:05 |
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Has anyone had problems recording TV programs on to the hardrive after playing back from it, every few minutes the sound goes off for a second it really shit me when taping Rage on to the hardrive it did it twice on a Rammstein clip,
I have run across this complaint three times in the past year. Each time the problem turned out to be either the incoming signal or a flaky audio cable. I haven't hear any instances where the problem was the unit itself. Try swapping cables.
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also i hate this that if you burn something on to DVD-R it makes a chapter if it's over 5 minutes anyway of stoping it,i may want something that 5 minutes and 30 seconds but dont like to press next to get 30 seconds
It creates chapters as a convenience for viewing. You can override this by creating your own chapters on-disk before burning. However, I believe if you change the recording format (SP to LP, etc.) it will ignore your chapters.
There may be a way to turn this off--but since chapters are transparent for those who don't try and use them, I see no reason to.
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This Panasonic DVD Recorder doesn't even record a 2 hour disc in SP it usually only record 1 hour 45 minutes when the disc says says actually 2h 10 min on SP.
I'm not sure what you are saying here. Did you take a 2-hour show recorded in SP mode on HDD and try to burn it to a blank DVD and have it say "Not enough room"? I have never had any problems like this. Of course, I have High-speed dub turned on and record all shows to the HDD in the format I eventually want to save them to DVD using (after editing and installing chapters).
bob
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metaldude
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8. May 2005 @ 09:12 |
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I taped 4 minute chapters or clips on Hard Drive and then had about 28 ready to burn on DVD -R but it was over the 4110MB capacity, but it was not 2 hours, only 1hour 45 minutes that was recorded Standard Play. The TDK DVD-R records 2 hours on SP it says.
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VideoBob
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9. May 2005 @ 08:39 |
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I taped 4 minute chapters or clips on Hard Drive and then had about 28 ready to burn on DVD -R but it was over the 4110MB capacity, but it was not 2 hours, only 1hour 45 minutes that was recorded Standard Play. The TDK DVD-R records 2 hours on SP it says.
I'm still not sure what you are saying, but I *think* I might be getting an idea. You say "chapters or clips" as if they were the same thing--and they are not. To keep from getting into semantic No-Man's-Land, lets use the terminology that Panasonic uses.
By "clip" I am assuming that you mean what Panasonic refers to with the ambiguous name of "Title." In other words, the "programs" that appear on the top menu level of the Direct Navigator. One Title per original recording session.
Chapters, on the other hand, are divisions within a single title and are usually accessed through the sub-menu button. A title may have many chapters, and if it doesn't, the Panny arbitrarily assigns some at about 5-minute intervals when dubbing to DVD-R (but not DVD-RAM). "Divide Chapters" is the most effective way to trim shows and edit out commercials.
AFAIK, the chapter divisions (within a title) do not take up any significant disk space, as they are not individually addressable on the finished disk (only points that can be skipped to while viewing), nor do they have their own title or thumbnail--both of which are significant memory hogs.
On the other hand, each *TITLE* does carry with it a significant overhead, including name, size, and chapter information in its header, as well as disk directory overhead and a thumbnail. Thus, each separate title recorded to a disk ADDS overhead information and, conversely, subtracts from available viewing time. It is this formatting and indexing overhead that makes a 4.7 GB disk start out with only 4.1 Gb of *available* space.
Recording 30 four-minute shows takes up a hell of a lot more disk overhead than a single 120-minute show. There are twenty-nine more thumbnails, title blocks, and directory entries to record, and all of these take space. This is space that would otherwise be used for content--and thus translates into less available recording *time*. Think of them as title pages in a book. Every title page in a book takes away another 200-300 words of text.
Try this: Pop in a new disk and look at the available *space* (not time--the Panny does background fudging on time). Then give the disk a name and look again. Just putting in a dozen bytes of data can take away many *megabytes* of available space! This is due to the formatting overhead.
However, Panasonic reserves space in the over-shoot area of the disk for this--*if* you wait until you are done. This space is what allows you to edit a "full" DVD-R and change titles and thumbnails, up until you finalize it. However, if you do any of this work *before* you fill the disk, it uses the *available* space for it--thus lowering the amount left for future recording. This way, the "safety buffer" is preserved for later.
I notice that the amount of space reported "free" by the dubbing menu is *quite* different before I dub than after. If I select titles that leave 100 Mb of space before I dub, I might come back to a full disk--or to 200 Mb of space available. It all depends on may variables in that basic recording. I haven't figured out all of the parameters yet.
If you use the FR mode it will *always* fill a disk, if it can. I use it to squeeze in one last title that *almost* fits. I do this rarely, since most of my recordings are in High-Speed mode, and FR records in real-time.
I archive in six hour mode most of the time. I can select many shows for dubbing and come very close to filling a disk on the first burn. I notice that when I do, and then finalize the disk, it shows nearly six-and-a-half hours of recording. On the other hand, if I leave a few hundred megabytes free, it may report the disk full after dubbing.
I have taken disks that had five minutes left from the Setup screen, but several hundred Mb available from the dubbing screen, and successfully recorded another half-hour show. The only *true* limit is when the dubbing menu says "Not enough room."
To get the most recording time on a given disk, DO NOT title your blank DVD until after you finish dubbing, and record *all* of your titles in a single dubbing session. This forces *all* of the information into the main section of the disk and maximizes the use of the "overflow" area. You can then title your disk and change thumbnails, if required (it won't be, with High-Speed dubbing).
Using a Play List adds another whole level of complexity to the situation--but is a very effective way of splicing together shows that "Divide Title" tells you that you can't. ;)
If your 4-minute sessions do not need to be singly and individually addressed from the main menu, you should be able to increase disk availability by using Play Lists to combine your "clips" into one or more titles, each with multiple chapters. Then dub from your Play List. That should significantly reduce disk overhead--and free up more available "recording time."
bob
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