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2. October 2009 @ 09:26 |
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Mmm, if they went to the lengths of cutting the PCB to shorten it, they probably wouldn't put all the extra copper down.
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2. October 2009 @ 09:54 |
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Probably would get recycled back into raw materials and used again. They would print the PCB, cut it to length, and not even bother placing any electronics on the end of the card to begin with, let alone the chips and caps and whatnot. Also remember they are showing working prototypes, not retail models. So you would expect stuff like that to be rough.
The connector DOES look like it's soldered to a spot for an aux audio port though, hmm. Those pics might even be a hoax who can really tell?
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2. October 2009 @ 10:00 |
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Let's wait until closer to release shall we? I'm not especially fussed at what the cards look like - I'm after some rough performance ideas...
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2. October 2009 @ 10:21 |
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Yes I agree but it sure is fun to speculate :P
I for one am excited about the 5870. I could give a crap less how they perform compared to Nvidia. Only how they perform vs my cards :P
I would like to wait a while for the price to drop a bit though. The cheapest at newegg is the Sapphire:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856
At $379.99 that almost $100 more than I paid for my 4870s a month after release...
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2. October 2009 @ 11:03 |
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and at £310 for the HD5870 versus the £125 my HD4870 and £255 my HD4870X2 cost me, you can see why I'm waiting. I'm open to considering nvidia simply because with so much extra R&D time it's possible (though unlikely) that they've produced something that will own the 5870. That said, the dual card needs to be good (and prompt, unlike the 295) as that's what I'll be buying.
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2. October 2009 @ 13:38 |
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I'm slightly peeved by the lack of native x64 software I'm in possession of. I had a gander earlier and I have just 1GB in my 'program files' and 75GB in my 'program files (x86)' Does anyone actually have any decent x64 stuff that replaces x86? Or is there simply no advantage to 64-bit (other then RAM booost) until the programmers WAKE UP!
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2. October 2009 @ 17:32 |
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Crysis and console emulators - about all I can think of at the moment, since I don't use any professional software as such.
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3. October 2009 @ 22:48 |
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Well, I've been off actually trying to do something that will earn money for the new rig - although I can see that skeptical Sam doubts any such project will ever be finalized. Just wait and see!
Today I made the first set of "short sale" real estate phone calls in more than six months. I'm on the second week of confining gaming just to Wednesdays again. I actually have a tie on today - same thing last Saturday. That's a good sign - puts me in a business mood.
I plan to do the "tie thing" every weekend - it's my defense against my very negative drywall brother (UCLA honors math grad - the guy who is doing the Cad/Cam stuff for his construction company) who often drops by on weekends. According to my new psychological theory, my construction brother needs to see me in a tie in order to re-establish the proper pecking order ("suits" - who are usually the owners - are generally on top in the construction business) otherwise his rather caustic view of life, augmented by being surrounded by dim-witted rednecks all day, tends to damage my new-found sales enthusiasm, lol. (Dreams of the new rig propel me forward!)
Apparently - as my new "insight" holds - seeing me in jeans and a two-day old stubble gives him free rein to vent his workplace frustrations - and then I hear things such as how our close relative, Miles, the animator dude, has ruined my life by turning me onto video games, lol.
Completely changing subjects, catching up with you guys provided an ususual surprise.
Hahaha. This thread can be vastly entertaining from time to time for reasons that have nothing to do with the great technical information that is regularly shared.
Originally posted by Keith:
Are you all finished yet?
The petty arguing gets very boring very quickly.
Now it seems to me, that the particular Keith comment above would lead one to believe that Keith is the sort to avoid a confrontation.
WRONG!
Apparently Keith likes a good fight as much as anybody and promptly takes on Sam.
It started innocently enough:
Referring to his opinion that it will take a loooooong time before we see games on blue ray disks:
Originally posted by Keith:
It took ages to get them on DVD because frankly for a fair few years after the launch of a format it's cheaper, easier and allows more of the market access if they're just on multiple discs.
That Keith comment made sense to me - for a while I used to look for the CD version of a game so I could later pass the game on to little 12-year-old Fernie who didn't have a DVD player.
But Sam rejoined:Quote:
it took them "ages" to get on DVD because it took "ages" after DVDs came out before games needed to be on DVDs. UT2004 was one of the first that didn't come on say 2CDs, and that was maybe 7 years or so after DVD players became common. Likewise, there are still relatively few 2 DVD games out there, once 2 DVD games are the norm and 3 DVD games become numerous, then bluray games will start becoming popular.
Remember, PC games have an advantage over consoles because the content can be compressed on the disk and decompressed when the games are installed.
That also made a lot of sense.
Then, with an "En guarde" Keith lunged:
Originally posted by Keith:
didn't I just say that?
Sams a bit of an echo Gecko!
Very nice twist of the tongue, I have to hand it to you, Jonny boy.
Sam wasn't about to take that lying down:
Originally posted by Sam:
I don't recall stating any of the reasons you gave in your post unless I'm misinterpreting it.
Hmmmm. Well, the two arguments didn't exactly sound the same to me either.
But Keith holds his ground (sort of):
Originally posted by Keith:
I was slightly led into it by my massive urge to use echo gecko which I just made up!
Although it was the same just with different facts!
Well, when those massive urges strike ... you might see me a day later after 15 straight hours of ... whatever video game I'm hooked on at the moment. "Echo Gecko" only comes but once in a generation, so I don't mind Keith looking for any excuse to share it with the world!
Sam sees the emotion behind Keith's initial lunge, but falls back to the simple facts:
Originally posted by Sam:
I try not to copy people. I don't believe I did there, and am sticking to that.
Spoken like a true gentleman and a diplomat!
And please, don't for a minute, either of you, think that I am on the attack - I just can't pass up the opportunity to have a little fun at both of your expense.
But truly, that was a particularly enjoyable Sam and Keith joust!
Changing subjects:
Originally posted by Shaff:
Geforce 300 specs:
# 3.0 billion transistors
Say what? 3,000,000,000. Holy moly!
Originally posted by Jeff:
Remember Mass Effect and Bioshock? I paid full price for both and now neither work because I've installed them more than 3 times. DRM can kiss my white American ass.
Wow, that would upset me too. But how can the information about how many times a game has been installed, be burned onto a DVD? If it is in the registry somewhere that key should be able to be removed. And out of curiousity, why did you install the games so many times - was it on different platforms - plus different operating systems? Again, I don't see how they could burn info like that onto the DVD - what if you were installing from a reader-only DVD player without writing ability?
Wow, nice information about new results for 5870 outperforming the 285.
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3. October 2009 @ 23:00 |
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A server is recording how many times your particular Game KEY has been used. I hope that doesn't happen with my GTA IV. I'll be very angry. Its likely that i'll install it at least that many more times.
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3. October 2009 @ 23:46 |
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Hey Kevin, thanks for clarifying that for me. Nice new slogan - you throw no stones, lol.
So when Jeff installed Bioshock again, the installation went on-line and told the server. Why didn't he just install it without being connected to the internet? Hmmmm. GTA4 is probably the worst - you can't even save where you are in the game without being connected to Windows Live and that Rockstar Social Club bullsh*t, hahaha.
Following Sam's link to Fudzilla, and the Eyefinity 6-screen display, I finally see Hawx - so that is what it looks like as you fly around and shoot missiles and such.
Hmmmmm. Awesome!
I was reading that AMD/Ati is working with Samsung to develop monitors with ultra-thin bezels to minimize the monitor to monitor gap! I wonder what I could get on ebay for my Dell 30" (just kidding!)
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Red_Maw
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4. October 2009 @ 00:17 |
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Originally posted by Jeff:
Remember Mass Effect and Bioshock? I paid full price for both and now neither work because I've installed them more than 3 times. DRM can kiss my white American ass.
I suddenly don't feel so bad about not buying games anymore; that's total BS.
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4. October 2009 @ 00:57 |
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I understand where your coming from Red Maw. However, I don't regret buying GTA IV. I will give credit where credit is due. Its one of the most advanced games on the planet :) Should they try and deactivate my key...there gonna see a side of me that I'VE never seen LOL!
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4. October 2009 @ 02:00 |
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I'm not condemning buying games by any means. It's just when they do stuff like that it makes it makes me less likely to support them unless I really like the game.
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4. October 2009 @ 07:11 |
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Originally posted by Rich:
skeptical Sam doubts any such project will ever be finalized.
Can you blame me? Don't make me go back and find the first post you made saying you'd shortly be buying stuff for it :)
Originally posted by Rich:
Wow, nice information about new results for 5870 outperforming the 285.
Read them again, the 5850 outperforms the GTX285, and costs 20% less!
As for the Mass Effect thing, a lot of games have done this, mostly EA ones I think. When you install the game, it's mandatory that you go online and register your CD key for installation. That counts as an "install" - while you get one back if you officially uninstall, if you do what I do and reformat your PC without manually uninstalling your games first (let's face it, what's the point?) that's one of your 3 that you've lost forever. Consequently, I do not buy games that come with this DRM installed.
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4. October 2009 @ 07:29 |
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Mirrors Edge allows 5 installs but you don't have to have the disk to play and if you install it a 6th time it just locks the first install. So I've sold it but can still play just by re-installing it from the iso when it goes kaput. MASSIVE DRM FAIL!!!
EDIT: I'm not sure why I would want to play it mind.
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4. October 2009 @ 10:46 |
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Mirrors Edge was one of those games that looked fun but took so many hours and hours to get running properly I gave up. This was back in the days when X2 cards could still reverse crossfire. Thankfully that doesn't happen any more.
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4. October 2009 @ 11:04 |
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lol for me it kept crashing at the end of the silly server room level that's stupidly hard and every time it did it took me back to the start of it >:-|. I managed to *crawl* passed where it was crashing only to reveal I had wasted all the messing about for a frankly pathetic ending.
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5. October 2009 @ 19:03 |
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Hmmmm. DRM sounds REALLY bad. Kevin and Red are as upset as I am over what happened to $100 worth of Jeff's games.
Originally posted by Sam:
Consequently, I do not buy games that come with this DRM installed.
So it's mostly EA games that use DRM?
When you're researching a game, Sam - where do you find out that it uses the DRM protection scheme? Is it printed on the game box cover? Is it on the web site?
Originally posted by Keith's slogan:
Im just a yob in disguise really.
Okay, I give up. What's a "yob."
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6. October 2009 @ 07:55 |
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DRM is really bad. It essentially skews things in favour of pirates. Those who legitimately buy games come off worse.
It's far from just EA that use DRM sadly, EA are just one of the popularised cases. As for what uses DRM, they're not really obliged to disclose on the box, you have to do your own research.
What's a yob? I thought that was an international term!
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Yob
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6. October 2009 @ 11:54 |
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I always forget about you foreigners coming over here using our sites.
I know AD's Finnish! It was a joke shhhhhhhhhhhh.
Wow pretty impressibe BTW
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AfterDawn.com's English-language edition reaches millions of unique users each month, worldwide, making the site one of the world's leading sites in digital multimedia. Furthermore, our Finnish edition of AfterDawn.com ranks as the largest single IT website in Finland, reaching over 15 percent of the whole country's population on monthly basis.
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Red_Maw
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6. October 2009 @ 15:37 |
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I've heard the servers are in texas, not sure though.
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6. October 2009 @ 15:40 |
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Well the companies based in Finland anyways it says so on the about bit at the bottom. No further down then that :P
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6. October 2009 @ 15:48 |
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No the servers are in Finland as well as far as I'm aware.
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7. October 2009 @ 01:03 |
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Okay I got curious and looked it up, they're in Houston - Texas - United States. Don't we all love useless info XD.
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7. October 2009 @ 08:19 |
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Ah ok, it's obviously just the web server that's in finland then.
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