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19. February 2006 @ 10:57 |
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thanks for the feedback everyone.I agree that the karma system has its flaws and that hopefully not all the senior members will have to start with the same karma as newbies, because that wouldnt be fair.
@jerry,
I agree with alot of what you say but not all of it. I became a senior member in less than 3 months, but that doesnt mean i dont know what im talking about. I do agree that sometimes I have to go back and give proper info to some newbies who has been misled by a senior member ive never heard or seen before, that is ridiculous.
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19. February 2006 @ 11:09 |
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My post was a blanket statement not directed at anyone special. It was not meant to single out anyone but as a general direction things are going over the last year or so. Sorry if you took it personally, it wasn't meant for any single person.
Jerry
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19. February 2006 @ 21:59 |
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jerry,
didnt take it personal at all, so dont worry ;) Just that it was too bold of a statement.
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21. February 2006 @ 04:38 |
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Hi,
I've tried to stay clear of "debates" like this but I think the karma system would be a double-edged sword until the usage could be specified as to whom would do the rating. For starters those that have been here for awhile (at least a year or more) should have leeway as they have weathered the test of time whether it being actually helping or post count. Sometimes folks will take the time to say thanks if the info provided helps them with their issue so there may be several who get overlooked. Secondly those that have developed acquaintances on here would have the upperhand as they would be apt to 'boost' each other (scenario) based on preference not necessarily the helpfulness. I'm learning everyday and have no problem with waiting to reach the next level as with each promotion comes a certain aspect of responsibility and some are not looking at it from that perspective. Many here just jump in posts simply to say 'yeah you won't go wrong or I agree with...' so how with that fit into the equation? Also I got jumped on foir this but I still feel if you are chasing the addict status by post count or keeping count of your posts then the karma system would be effective as those who waste posts stating about status or replies telling folks how to reply/ ask questions in a hostile manner (mind you there was a new forum rule implemented a few months back to deter that type of conduct) then the system would work if folks were honest and voted in accordance with the standards set by the powers that be.
In closing my thoughts not directed at anyone just after the last month or so a few have been banned either thru requests or blatant disregard and many are strictly chasing the addict status. Those that are already there excellent job (too many to name and I wish to slight no one)...yet I think the karma system would weed out those who are not exactly ready to move forth at this time.
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21. February 2006 @ 08:16 |
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Hi Matt, You have repeated many of my concerns with the suggested system. In reality, if everyone used the different systems properly they would work. The POST COUNT system now in place here would work great if everyone only posted answers that helped other members. As you stated there are those that are only looking to boost the title under their name. Same thing with a KARMA system. Those that belong to a certain group of friends will boost each other to no end. The other system I mentioned was the REP POINT system where each member earns REP POINTS and REP POWER. They can either + REP or - REP any member depending on how a question is answered. The amount of power you have depends on length of time on the forum and how you were repped by others. The problem with this is everyone gets what I call the MOD FEELING and could neg rep a person for no other reason than not liking them. I guess no system is perfect but I see more credit in one similar to the old system that was in place here before. If higher/long term members have some say in a promotion system by a vote from say for instance the MODS, then there in less chance of cheating the system. There isn't any perfect system and there will be complaints no matter which is used. In the real world promotions are USUALLY given for better than average work (at least most of the time). There are exceptions to every rule but thats how it should be.
Jerry
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21. February 2006 @ 09:52 |
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Had a case a while back where someone insisted that Shrink was a burn engine & he did not have a burn engine installed, he was adamant that he was right & I was wrong, what would happen then? What about the many, many people who come here for help & they never get back to us with the results? They only post 1 question & are never seen again! Where would the ratings go then?
I have been here for over 2 years & it took that long to get to addict, I admit that a lot (30%-ish were in the safety valve) As have many members, what happens then? What about the members who answer questions in their shoutboxes, they make the whole forum point go out of the window! What happens to them, do they get repremanded & lose points?
Oodles of questions......
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21. February 2006 @ 10:08 |
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a point system,this is what i think
as i vote down for a point system...
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21. February 2006 @ 11:12 |
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Yes sir Ireland, I agree with you. I remember well the reasons the system on here was changed (we won't get into that directly). But if I remember right the problem was between 3 or 4 members that made the mistake of hashing out their differences in open forum. It should have been done by e-mail or PM's. If it had been done properly we would probably still be running the old system of promotions which I think worked very well. If so I might still be a senior member instead of an addict but if that was the case it would mean I should work harder to help out. Seeing an addict title at that time was like seeing a UFO, LOL. When you did see one, I remember thinking, wow that guy must know everything. Even the senior members were low in number. Just not the same anymore.
Jerry
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21. February 2006 @ 19:20 |
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I am as guilty as many for posting probably too much in the safety valve and in the thread that Jerry singled out specifically, but after six months of only spending time helping in the DVD Shrink and Nero forums and not really paying any attention to the safety valve...I needed a break from the redundency of questions in the tech forums. The same questions day in and day out wore me down and I was thinking of not frequenting AD as much, but the safety valve keep some people sane.
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I agree with Pulsar that starting a new system again and starting from the bottom won't work for older members.
I would agree with this also, but what does it really matter what your title is? If you are good at what you do, everyone will know it. On the other hand, many have worked hard to be where they are and it would be disheartening to start at the bottom again.
I belong to another site which employs the karma system, and it does have it's clicks. The point value for basic members are low and increases according to your "rep" and of coarse "mods" point value reign supreme and are heavily weighted. It works well for me, but what does it really mean?
I am familiar with the old method that Jerry spoke of and think it also has it's pros and cons. I've happened onto a thread in which two members were going at it because one member was promoted before another and the arguement just escalated. Some people might feel their self-worth is higher than what it is and feel shunted if not promoted accordingly.
Both systems have flaws, and both systems have merits. Which is the best, who knows...but the current system doesn't work right. Sheer post count should have no bearing on your level of expertise. As Auslander suggested and if the post count system is to remain, the levels need to be raised.
0-50 posts Newbie + 1 month of membership
51-100 posts Member + 3 months of membership
101-1000 posts Junior Member + 6 months of membership
1001-4000 posts Senior Member + 9 months of membership
4000 plus posts Addict + 1 plus year(s) of membership
This system would prevent a member from making addict in less than a year and posting just to be posting. If you combined this system with a karma system, it would show how helpful a member is or isn't. The reputation button should be turned off in any forums in which help is not really the subject of the day like the safety valve. The reputation can be restricted in a way that you can't just fill up the rep of another member (friendship boosts).
There are many ways to approach this, but which is really the best?
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21. February 2006 @ 20:29 |
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i hate the idea of being graded with points,and i never worried about a post count.ever since i came on to the afterdawn site all i hear is how meny posts i have.
what started this is the name newbie...drd knows i never liked the name newbie for any one starting out here,i asked drd to change in 2002 to new member for starters.,then after 50 posts go to member.and what ever...
i am tired and going to bed..
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21. February 2006 @ 21:50 |
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I don't post just to get a title, but it is a nice form of recognition. Titles don't mean much, so why not all just be members? Post counts don't mean much either, lots of "I agree" etc don't really help. I have to agree with what Ireland says too, we are graded all our lives, put into pigeon holes.
Then there is all the useless threads here, they just keep popping up, cartoons, sport, movies, the list goes on....
I have helped loads here & lately I just cannot be bothered. Same old questions, people not using their intelligence & trying things for themselves, people not saying a simple thank you, all disheartening. I see addicts left right & centre, some do it in a couple of months! I have always been selective in my posts, I still only have 2800 posts in over 2yrs.
Don't know what the answer here is, possibly leaving it as it is.
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evnflow
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21. February 2006 @ 22:58 |
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hey everyone...ok here are my two cents...when i first joined afterdawn some months ago..i was like hell yeah a ranking system..it was fun at first...but truthfully now when i get on, i really don't look at anyone's title anymore...you can pretty much tell from their post on whether or not they are knowledgeable(sorry if misspelled ;) )...i wouldn't mind too much if the titles were taken out...i really didn't join to get into a popularity contest, i joined so that i could learn and possibly help others out...hell this community has people coming from other sites that have vast amounts of knowledge and help everyone out, but yet they have a junior or newbie ranking...if there is a change in the ranking system...then i would vote towards the karma system(even if it is flawed..on the level of whether or not points are set for the amount of help shown)...at least then you would have some understanding of helpfullness and knowledge...or maybe another solution would be that the safety valve forums could be left from the post counts...these are my two cents...but hey everyone is entitled to there own opinions, and i'm going to stick around on this site no matter what happens to the titles and rankings...love it too much..holla ;)
Dolla Dolla Bill Ya'll
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21. February 2006 @ 23:36 |
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Ok i have read wat every1 has written and they are all valid points that can work. IO feel as i have stated b4 that the sys shouldnt really change...
But in sayin that the current system can b altered if possible.
What i mean is like post the are made in:
1. Saftey Valvue
2. All other topics
3. Afterdawn Announcment and Suggestions
Should not be added too a users post count, mainly because these forums are for relaxation and suggestions are mainly that not really issues.
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22. February 2006 @ 12:21 |
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When this particular subject was discussed beforehand, I suggested that maybe we implement a system by which we intergrate the post counts with the abovementioned 'hand-picking' method.
What I mean is, maybe we could have a system by which when one reaches a 2500 posts, they are assessed by a moderator or a member of the Administration team. If the Staff member believes they have worked hard and given much valid information, then they are rewarded with the title of AfterDawn Addict. If, however, the Staff member feels he/she is not worthy of the status, then their 'benchmark' for Addict status could be increased to, say, 3500 posts. Then they can be re-assessed once the new benchmark is reached, and hopefully, the said person will have learned to help members of the forum in order to gain increased status.
I have used Addict status as an example, but the same could be said for Senior membership aswell.
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Auslander
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22. February 2006 @ 12:36 |
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sounds like a solid idea.
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22. February 2006 @ 12:44 |
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So the mods have to trawl through ALL the posts made by members, then decide who gets promoted? How long would that take? I think the Mods would soon get jacked off with that.You would have members PM'ing Mods saying "look I helped this person out & this one, do I get promoted now?"
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22. February 2006 @ 12:52 |
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pulsar;
I made no mention of moderators trawling through peoples' posts, I thought maybe they could all come to a quick joint decision based on what they have seen - after all, the moderators are here to cover all sectors of the forums.
It was just a suggestion..
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22. February 2006 @ 13:05 |
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The thing is though, is that they could miss things, then you have people thinking that certain members were been favoured!
I think that it is a disaster waiting to happen!
Just pointing out what could/would go wrong, that's all!!
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22. February 2006 @ 13:18 |
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I know pulsar, I agree, but I just had to say it. I don't think there can ever be a system that is perfect.
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22. February 2006 @ 13:43 |
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I think that they should leave it as it is, we don't really need to change is just for changes sake. If people don't like it, like the rules, tough!
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ScubaBud
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22. February 2006 @ 14:24 |
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I think that all aD Addicts that have a member name that starts with "P" should start their post count all over again!!! <G>
J/K Pulsar! :)
It might be simpler then one might think to verify what a member actually contributed more then just with posts in a safety valve for example. All an administrator would need to do is do a search using a ?members name? and look at where that member spend most of his/her time. It shows up real quick! If a member has 2500 posts and 1800 are in the safety value that leaves 700 posts in other forums that would count towards aD Addict status. Their member status clock could be readjusted to compensate for those posts.
One a subject such as what Jerry was saying, it truly was remarkable to read what most of the very few Addicts back just a year ago had to say and also the Senior Members as well. I would gladly give up any of my post counts from any thread or forum that in my opinion should not count towards a members status such as Safety Value or News Topics.
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22. February 2006 @ 15:31 |
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We all seem to agree on several things. Any system used will not be perfect and there will always be someone that will complain about their statis. If the present system is kept in place then several of the forum rooms need shut down as far as post count is concerned such as the safety valve. If that were done I would venture a guess that much of the useless posts would slow down to almost a dead stop. I don't know how hard it would be for the Admins to shut off the count from those areas but it would probably help the overall use of the forum. Any useless posts found elsewhere could easily be reported and a mod could then move it if needed. The thread could then continue but wouldn't count. I like having fun as much as the next person but some of those threads are unbelievable and just go on forever. Then the next thing you know another thread pops up almost identical and starts all over again. We all know why in most cases. Even this very topic has been discussed many times but at least its about improvements to the forum.
Jerry
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23. February 2006 @ 00:24 |
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I agree, Jerry. Safety valve posts shouldn't be counted..
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23. February 2006 @ 07:07 |
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As with what everyone else said, safety valve and maybe the News and aD Suggestions should not be counted which would eliminate most of the stupid threads (like "how many posts do you have") and allow the senior members and addicts to post freely without feeling guilty for staying in the safety valve so much. That situation also has its flaws. This doesnt eliminate all the posts that say, "i agree" and "so and so member is correct".. Not to mention names, but there is a recently banned member who came back and starting posting the same thing over and over and made Member status in 3 days, however i have yet to see him contribute anything...he is basically posting for rank.
Just my 2 cents.
PS: Something should be done about the very large sigs, no one is enforcing the rules...
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23. February 2006 @ 07:21 |
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DVD,
One of the points you arise is one of my pet peeves. "2nd That"... "I agree with Lethal"... "Do what Lethal says".. That sort of thing gets on my nerves more than anything else.
How does saying "2nd That" help in any way, shape, or form?
- It's blatant & very easy post pad.
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