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and round #1 goes to HD-DVD...
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eatsushi
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27. June 2006 @ 08:35 |
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I just knew that Ced would take the first swing at this article!
Thanks for your input Ced!
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mudearies
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27. June 2006 @ 19:22 |
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' ' ROTFLMAO!
mudearies strikes again! ' '
dude dont mentuion my name or i will get banned.
if people werent such fanboys around here they would all go for Blu-ray ,beacuase its supeior to hdvd in everyway. come on almost twice the data per layer ,come on new i say more ??? nuff said ,support Blu-ray ot stick to crappy dvd's.
in my book this whole multi-dvd's movies this days are totally crap ,i want all in one disk.Blu-ray winner.
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27. June 2006 @ 19:31 |
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
This guy really cracks me up!
Keep it coming mudearies!
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lol seriously ,admin dont ban me im trying to str8 things up here. so it aint me. Blu-ray for the win.
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27. June 2006 @ 20:18 |
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' ' ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
This guy really cracks me up!
Keep it coming mudearies! ' '
grrrrrrr can we get back to subject at hand here !!!!
blu-ray-25gb per layer.
hdvd-only 15gb per layer.
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28. June 2006 @ 15:08 |
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Another spot-on comparison review:
http://www.dvdtown.com/article/toshibavs.samsung-hd-dvdvs.blu/3595/
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The formats are young and immature and the two inaugural players are far from perfect. Toshiba has corrected some of the early faults with its behemoth unit via a firmware upgrade. The Samsung is currently hobbled in ways the Toshiba saw, but firmware updates may not be as easy. HD-DVD is showing superior compression and has more living space than Blu-ray and at this stage is much more poised for center stage. Visually, HD-DVD is ahead and where HD-DVD is providing a fine number of supplements, Blu-ray is decidedly bare-bones. With the state of the formats today and Toshiba?s firmware update and especially considering the price, HD-DVD and the Toshiba player looks like quite a bargain when compared to the sexy, but troubled Samsung and its not-quite-ready-for-prime-time Blu-ray format. If you are looking to test the waters of HD video discs, my personal decision would be to take a serious look at HD-DVD. If you want to jump into to the Blu-ray water, you may want to wait a little bit until Samsung corrects their problems and Blu-ray can offer at least what DVD can. Presently, it cannot.
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28. June 2006 @ 18:38 |
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The 6 channel PCM ratios for Blu-ray movies have been confirmed! They are 16/48 (Bits/KHz) audio streams, not the 24/96 audio streams I was hoping for.
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28. June 2006 @ 19:51 |
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That's interesting info Ced. I didn't think of using the 5.1 analog outs when I auditioned the Samsung but I guessed it would not have made a difference. I don't have an HDMI input on my Rotel pre/proc so for now I'm using the digital coax out on the Toshiba with the DD+ soundtracks downconverted to plain DD. I guess when Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD become more commonplace I have to upgrade.
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eatsushi
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Samsung Fully Supports Blu-ray, Denies HD DVD Combo Reports
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6347971.html
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...if market trends are going to HD DVD or to a universal player, then we are going too. But we are concentrating on Blu-ray. A universal player introduction will be based on the market.
I guess they're playing it safe and trying hard not to piss off Sony.
Ced:
Maybe if they get the BD50 working then they would have enough space for 24bit PCM.
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29. June 2006 @ 07:19 |
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I don't have an HDMI input on my Rotel pre/proc so for now I'm using the digital coax out on the Toshiba with the DD+ soundtracks downconverted to plain DD. I guess when Dolby TruHD and DTS-HD become more commonplace I have to upgrade.
The Toshiba only outputs DTS over Coax and Optical (for HD-DVDs). HDMI and the analog outs are both capable of sending a 6-8 Channel PCM (24/96) signal to a receiver.
Read this explination by Dolby...
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/avrs/trueHD_avrs_...
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Maybe if they get the BD50 working then they would have enough space for 24bit PCM.
I hope so. In the words of Wilkes; "WTF is enhanced about 16/48." I guess they don't think people will care that the uncompressed audio is only a baby step better than CD audio (16/44.1).
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29. June 2006 @ 08:17 |
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All HD-DVD titles have DD+ because its mandatory. I didn't mean DD+ wasn't supported. The Toshiba player doesn't output it, meaning that everything is sent to its internal decoder and transcoded to PCM. Then other effects are added if necissary and everything is re-encoded to DTS at a high bitrate. Toshiba didn't have to use a DTS encoder but they opted to because they said that it was easier to implament and would have no negative effect on the customer.
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Yes, BD uses PCM for all there titles, thats why I've been making such a big deal about it. Unlike HD-DVD, DD+ isn't mandatory, only DD is required. DTS is an option. Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are options aswell be aren't support by the samsung player at all!
Refer to Dolby graphic on the 1st page for more info.
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29. June 2006 @ 09:46 |
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That thread is good but makes one mistake. HDMI 1.0 can handle upto 8 channels of 24/192 PCM data.
From the HDMI.org Faq page...
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/faq.asp
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Does HDMI support Dolby 5.1 audio and high-resolution audio formats?
Yes. From the start, HDMI was defined to carry 8-channels, of 192kHz, 24-bit uncompressed audio, which exceeds all current consumer media formats. In addition, HDMI can carry any flavor of compressed audio format such as Dolby or DTS. (Such compressed formats are the only multi-channel or high-resolution audio formats that can be carried across the older S/PDIF or AES/EBU interfaces.) Additionally, most existing HDMI sources can output any compressed stream, and the newer sources can output uncompressed 6-channel, 96kHz audio from a DVD-Audio disk. There are A/V receivers on the market that can accept and process the 6- or 8-channel audio from HDMI.
If the players supports it is another issue.
Its not a big deal but you know how I am :)
I have not read the intire thread but I did see 7.1 mentioned. If the source audio is Dolby TrueHD 7.1 or Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 and the player can output the PCM version via Analog audio outs to a 7.1 receiver without HDMI, it is still possible to to get 7.1 playback. Simply send the 6 channels to the receiver and enable Dolby Pro-Logic IIx. DPL IIx should be able to find the center channels "downmixed" or "matrixed" into the surrounds and feed the extra sounds to the appropriate "center back" speakers.
Like this...
Or like this if the receiver does have HDMI (but not HDMI 1.3)...
For more info...
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/avrs/trueHD_avrs_...
DPL IIx...
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_IIx.html
7.1 is always possible, even with a 2.0 source!
Ced
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Great post Ced - using DPLIIx. This should be a viable alternative to those of us who don't have HDMI on their AV receivers.
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Just found this bit of info:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1979393,00.asp
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Since we posted this review we have gotten our hands on the handful of shrink-wrapped Blu-ray movies currently available. Sadly, not one of them will play on this desktop's Blu-ray drive; each time we try, we get a blue-screen-of-death. So far, it's unclear if this is a hardware or software problem.
So the first BluRay equipped PC's can't even play BD's?
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thats the word on the street. Granted Blu-ray is supposedly better in quality it also cost twice as much and having more memory at htis time isnt needed
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@eatsushi & Ced:
I haven't tried the analog outs as I have a Pioneer DVD/DVD-A/SACD combo player hooked up. Maybe I'll try Ced's DPL IIx setting this weekend. Ced's correct: the DD+ soundtrack is re-encoded by the Toshiba to DTS and that is what's passed thru the digital coax to the receiver. Thanks both for the links - they're very informative.
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thats the word on the street. Granted Blu-ray is supposedly better in quality it also cost twice as much and having more memory at htis time isnt needed
Well the street is wrong...
Blu-ray as not released any titles using 50 GB DL discs. Some people have said that they are having problems not only with making 50 BG discs but also 25 GB discs.
So to put things is prospective...
The HD-DVD camp has perfected (mass produced for a resonable cost) their 30 GB DL media and have used it with many titles that need the extra space.
So for all of Blu-rays tough talk about more capacity they are actually 5+ GB behind HD-DVD at the moment.
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It seems that the biggest reasone the Samsung player isn't better than the toshiba player is that they use the same chip set! They both read the 1080i@24fps signals from the disc and de-interlace to 1080i. To output a 1080p signal the Samsung player uses the DCDi chips by Faroudja. People have reported that the chips simply line-double instead of using more advaced scaling schemes that the chips should be capable of?
So the point is if everything was equal the toshiba player still wouldn't appear worse since a good 1080p set and surely any external scaler will de-interlace the 1080i signal better than the Samsung.
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no!, Blu-ray is the best ,go away anti-sony kids.
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I'm not anti Blu-ray I'm anti Samsung Blu-players. The fact is the players is a bad deal for $1,000. Maybe the Sony or Pioneer players will be better?
@ mudearies,
Why don't you do some research on those players and post someting relavent to your cause that is rooted in fact instead of dreams?
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mudearies, Quote:
lol seriously ,admin dont ban me im trying to str8 things up here. so it aint me. Blu-ray for the win.
guess what, lightning struck!!
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LOL mudearies got banned great stuff, he personally turned me away from the Ps3 no joke.
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