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anyone here have the 360 and then got the Wii?
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14. December 2006 @ 09:25 |
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@ChiknLitl
Scaling is commonly known to degrade images overall, no matter how high quality it is. It may do a decent job at making the scaled image look 'pretty', but scaling is technology that has been around for well over a decade, and will always, by default for it's nature, cause some degree of distortion and quality loss, that's because scaling takes an image, and reshapes/sizes it through interpretation to what is desired. Because of this, it is physically impossible to maintain original quality.
Many HDTVs are produced using CRT tubes to this day, rather than LCDs. Why? Because there are many theatre enthusiasts who insist that it is a fuller, more natural looking color image. If you think CRT is completely dead, and make a statement like that, your knowledge is very limited in this field. Put down the Best Buy brochure, you're going to need a lot more than that.
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I use red to highlight inconsistencies in your arguments and links to try to support, educate and enlighten readers of these forums. I do not notice any support for your position/bias. I grow tired of this topic. Good bye.
Wow, and I'm glad you did. It makes everyone really feel smarter. I've posted the reasoning, and coming from someone who speaks of 'broadening their mind' you've done a great job of missing some things that clearly disarm your arguments on a different level than the one you've kept arguing. You seem to have given up on your original point that most homes supposedly have HDTV already, and that new game systems are a 'driving force' behind the sales, after all, you've now said that wasn't your original point. Unfortunately, you've apparently grown tired of this topic. It must be nap time. But thanks for saying 'good bye'. I'm touched.
Hopefully, this thread will either close, or get back to it's designated topic permanently. Although, it sounds like SDMFer already got his answer, which is good.
It sounds like he'll be making an educated decision on which system he wishes to get, and that always helps in the longrun.
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14. December 2006 @ 10:51 |
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Listen, I absolutely watch both sources. My cable box outputs SD signals in 480p and HD signals in 1080i. I continuously compare, directly, network HD programs between the two formats. To say that 1080i does not look as good as 480p "in motion" is erroneous. Do you prefer to watch 480p DVD's vs 1080i HDTV? I don't. Even with an upconverting DVD player to 1080i the signal is still not as clear and sharp as original 1080i TV/movie content. For a DIRECT comparison of the two formats, please, please, please, see
Why did you say that it makes it look like you are wrong and dont know what you are saying because you are proving my point?
GT4 looks beta in 480p then in 1080i
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14. December 2006 @ 12:27 |
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Why did he say something that makes him look wrong? Oh, because he is.
Anywho, let's just let him take his nap; he's 'tired of this thread'. It would be best if we get it back to the original topic.
Though truthfully, if this thread has already served it's purpose, and I think it has, it may be best if a mod would close this thread, since it has gone so far off topic. I'm just as guilty as ChiknLitl, because I took his bait in the first place.
Anywho, this argument really didn't belong here to begin with.
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14. December 2006 @ 14:47 |
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Look if you Guys think 480p looks better than 1080i you need a new LCD set because thats BS.If you going to compare something you go by visual not all these dam spec's.The eye is the judge & jury not all these meaning less spec's but i find it funny that your saying that 480p is better thats just laughable.Now i hear arguement for 720p vs 1080i you might have a case there but 480p you got to be joking.
But far as LCD TV sales i think you got to look at which country you talking about.The U.S. sales are going very strong but the Europe i hear has not took off yet.
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But if it was the same why did Micrsoft release an update for their 360 to run at 1080p from the original 1080i??
First off they did this to have there HD-DVD movies to run off of this but not games.The reason i say not games because they upscaled there games to 1080p when everyone know that MS just using that to say hey we got games in 1080p which is flat out a lie.I own a 360 and this has really pissed my off.Plus the 1080p signal you get is not the greatess picture, one the picture is upscaled not a true 1080p rez.component cables dont give you the high end visual as HDMI does.Plus MS adding 1080p to movie play back wasn't because 1080p was better it was that HD-DVD movies was running at the HD-channel so they had no choice.Saying that there games had it was a PR move to counter Sony.
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14. December 2006 @ 19:25 |
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Ummm I think I dont need a new LCD/plasma plus I never wanted an LCD/plasma and I wont be able to afford it. we as a family a have Panasonic Viera 127cm Plasma screen whihc supports every form of picture up to 1080p and that is why I dont need an new LCD.
480p is just more crisp then 1080i really you dont haver proof do you?If so what is it I will do it to see.
Just look at GT4 @480p and 1080i the 480p looks much cleaner.
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Look if you Guys think 480p looks better than 1080i you need a new LCD
So harsh comment well???
I think you need your eyes checked.
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Look if you Guys think 480p looks better than 1080i you need a new LCD set because thats BS.If you going to compare something you go by visual not all these dam spec's.The eye is the judge & jury not all these meaning less spec's but i find it funny that your saying that 480p is better thats just laughable.Now i hear arguement for 720p vs 1080i you might have a case there but 480p you got to be joking.
But far as LCD TV sales i think you got to look at which country you talking about.The U.S. sales are going very strong but the Europe i hear has not took off yet.
You dont have evidnece.
I do GT4 so if you do this will be over so do you??
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14. December 2006 @ 21:07 |
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Panasonic Viera 127cm a plasmas set you got to be joking no wonder you think its better.Look if you go to the AVS forum which is well respect you will find that these guys said this set is crap.Plasmas is the worst set you can use for gaming just ask any member that know what there talking about.Plasmas still suffer from major burn-end, life spam is short, & also put out to much heat.No Plasma can standup to any top of the line Samsung or Sony LCD set.I can understand why you think this because your in the U.K. but brotha Plasmas dont sale good here in the U.S.
http://www.avsforum.com/
People here at afterdawn dont even talk about Plasmas because people know that they are not worth the money.Far as proof what proof you have a game...LOL
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14. December 2006 @ 21:58 |
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Alright.
a)Panasonic Viera the one we have has lifetime gurantee to be without any burn ins that is one reason we got it.
b)Both have pros and cons.
c)This TV has gurnateed crystal clear images and im impressed so far i have never had any blurring with movies with non stop action or games with alot of fast realistic damage like Black there is never any blurring also when you are watching real life racing like F1 or DTM,Motogp when they go onto the onboard camera the envioriment that is moving very fast when they go 300+km/h the tv has not blured Once!
It also has great support it has multiple Component inputs
2x HDMI
normal RGB
1xDVI
1xAnalogue computer plug
1xS-video
not every tv has all of that.
it also does not produce alot of heat maybe more then LCD but not enough for you to get botherd about it you dont notice it until you nearly touch the screen
I also love the look of it.
I also dont know what you mean by no wonder 480p looks better then 1080i on my TV because 1080p looks a HELL alot better then 480p on this TV my setop box runs at 1080p and looks very impresive so you can not say it dosent look good at 1080i because its plasma I just think 1080i is poor quality compared to most Progressive options.
Also Plasmas have much better black and darker colours AKA.better contrast then LCD's
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15. December 2006 @ 05:59 |
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Can you tell me more about this? ... I will be saving a little for a new tv and I dont know a thing about this :S... I searched on bestbuy's webpage for a TV that supports 1080p but all the TVs that seem to support it are too big o_O and expensive... I can't afford much I'm a 16 year old student and I don't plan working so I'll be saving from what I get from my parents which still is quite a lot... so what do you recommend... in tv types and a good size for a small room like 4mx5m I don't want an enourmous monster XD ... well thx
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15. December 2006 @ 09:10 |
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Why are we still debating this here!?! It doesn't belong here. It's getting further off topic.
The bottom line here is as follows:
DemonDash (Thankfully)agrees on one of my points. There is more to this debate than raw numbers. Unfortunately, in reality, that leaves it to a preference. Like I said, this, in a way; is similar to the old AA argument. Many users prefer to lower the resolution of their games significantly while playing, in favor of high detail anti-aliasing. Even though the image contains many less pixels, the image is more 'complete' feeling, and less rough around the edges. This is very similar to the reason that many people argue Progressive versus interlaced, even at lower resolutions.
But really, it ultimately alludes to one overall word "Quality". And with all the different rendering methods, and configurations, we can't really set a comparitive bar for quality that is 100% infallable. It just can't be done. We can all argue till we're blue in the face, we can discredit eachother's hardware, we can argue who has seen what images, and what games we use to 'prove' it. It doesn't matter, this is an unwinnable argument, because there is no winning FACT. Just a matter of preference.
As for 360 upscaling. Yep. It does. Completely 100%. I agree. But something else you should know; and this came out months ago, that the Playstation 3 is doing the same thing(With the exception of Blu-ray films). It came out from multiple developers that they have to upscale, because even the PS3 does not have that kind of power(At least not that they can tap yet.) It is unknown if the system will TRULY render that high in the future, but I'm sure it will happen. For right now, I'm not too concerned about it. But I'm also not concerned with the 360 upscaling either. Hardware can only do what it can do. Would you rather them make the system try to do more than it's capable of, and cause hiccups and stuttering? I wouldn't.
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