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HC or CCE - which is the better companion?
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PacMan777
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26. March 2007 @ 10:40 |
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jlrm365
Hiding preformed opinions behind questions couldn't be more clear in this thread. Giving unfounded opinions after asking your questions leads to questions about where you got your information. That's how forums work. I don't think that could be more clear.
You came to make a statement. You did. You hide where you acquired your limited knowledge. As far as relevant input, you were closed to it from the beginning. Everyone will end up using what they want. Most users who frequent these help threads are experienced and already pleased with their choices, except those honestly seeking help. What is clear is that your opinion was made before you started this thread and your mind closed with no experience. You got an opinion you didn't like, so then you convieniently close your original question as you have your mind. Most of us here try things before giving judgment. You're ashamed to tell where you gained your opinions and you've yet to try any of the software. I can see why you no longer want to talk about it. I've given my experineced opinion and have no more to say. I'm left preaching to the choir as you're not likely to want to hear a thing against your opinions. Have a nice day.
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jlrm365
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26. March 2007 @ 11:17 |
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It would be better to ask questions, than to make assumptions, especially where intent is implied.
One might otherwise assume an edited post to be the sign of an unsure mind.
A question was asked and it is not possible to be more open.
Which program I am meant not to have used, is an issue that remains unanswered. It is just as well.
It has been repeated that I am ashamed, as though such repetition will cause it to become true, and so I repeat:
No argument has been based on the words of this other forum, so there is no need to quote it and I choose not to.
Unless another user has fresh questions to ask on the subject, the original question(s) have been answered and this thread has run its course.
Thanks!
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PacMan777
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26. March 2007 @ 11:51 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
It would be better to ask questions, than to make assumptions, especially where intent is implied.
Your intent was obvious. LOL
One might otherwise assume an edited post to be the sign of an unsure mind.
More like a creative mind with more to add. There's a rule against consecutive posting. Nothing was edited out, just added. ;) Note the time, I don't believe anything was changed after your response was posted. Questioning another's intellect is moving toward the personal arena. I didn't attack you, just pointed out the obvious. Didn't mean to cause you to get upset. Hard to deny that since the affront is there in print. ;)
A question was asked and it is not possible to be more open.
Not exactly true when you come with a preformed opinion based on other forums. No experience with the software proves that.
Which program I am meant not to have used, is an issue that remains unanswered. It is just as well.
No one can answer that for you. HC is good and CCE has a slight edge. The question is are you willing to pay the difference. I don't expect you to shell out $2000 for SP, but the $58 Basic is a sound buy. It's closest competitor, Procoder2, is noticably more expensive. So, there is no program you're not meant to use, just the one you decide to use. I suggest using a few of the trials to see what works best for you according to your preference and budget. Basic isn't a trial option because of its time limit. An SP trial will give you some idea when set to 2 passes, the limit for Basic. I have noticed Basic drop a frame where SP processed it. There was no drop in quality though. In the end the decision is yours, but you can't make an objective decision being biased and not trying the software for yourself.
It has been repeated that I am ashamed, as though such repetition will cause it to become true, and so I repeat:
No argument has been based on the words of this other forum, so there is no need to quote it and I choose not to.
No argument and repetition won't change the fact. You mentioned finding the info that lead to your opinion on another forum. Since your assertions came from those other statements and not your experience, it is only natural we ask where. Your refusal points to your being ashamed or the information not being credible, or both. Your choice, it doesn't matter which.
Unless another user has fresh questions to ask on the subject, the original question(s) have been answered and this thread has run its course.
Since it wasn't a true help thread, it actually ran it's course before it started.
Thanks!
You're welcome. Have a nice day.
Note, no need to edit this one. LOL
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jlrm365
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26. March 2007 @ 12:10 |
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"and have no more to say"
Indeed.
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PacMan777
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26. March 2007 @ 12:40 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
... I have heard lots to support both HC and CCE, to go along with Rebuilder...
... I have a DVD-9 that I want to backup and remove the region coding on (this I have no problem with), crunching it down to a DVD-5. I'd like to do this for a friend who is quite discerning...
... You seem to like testing, so it would be interesting to see how older versions of HC have progressed...
... I have seen responses, on another forum, that have preferred HC for quality. I will most probably start with it and see what happens...
"and have no more to say"
Indeed.
Just as well, we have no idea where it came from. ;) You'll like the HC encoder and may like some of the others when/if you give them a try. From your own words you never used the program before.
Still wondering about that secret forum, but that doesn't really matter. Hidden sources are your business and if you don't think they can bear scrutiny, then why should we?
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jlrm365
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26. March 2007 @ 16:03 |
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"Still wondering about that secret forum, but that doesn't really matter"
It never did.
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26. March 2007 @ 18:26 |
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jlrm365
Perhaps the only real debate left in your mind is the one where you believe that you can start a thread and then end it at will as though you have an on and off switch. You can most certainly start a thread, but "once the rabbit is out of the hat" you can't put it back in. You gave it a name and a subject and now the rest of us can continue the debate with or without you.
If you feel that your question has been answered then by all means leave the thread, go in peace and never look back. But that's not what you're doing because you seem to also believe that you need to get in the last word. I think that the debate is going to continue for a while, and there is no need to start another thread as you've suggested, this one will do just fine.
What many of us have discovered is that some encoders seem to do a better job with certain movies. I believe that I've already mentioned that there's a general consensus among RB users that Procoder does a better job with interlaced video. In my RB General setup I have CCE, Procoder, and HC all ready to go and I've ran tests against them all going back about 3 years. I think that your support for HC encoder is laudable. It is a wonderful and free encoder, but it hasn't yet arrived to a point where it can supersede CCE or Procoder. When it does I will be ready to make it my primary encoder.
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PacMan777
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26. March 2007 @ 18:49 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
"Still wondering about that secret forum, but that doesn't really matter"
It never did.
From your posts it obviously made a big impression on you. You read a few posts you liked from your secret forum and suddenly needed to come to AD and show you know more about HC than members who worked with jdobbs from early beta testing. All that without ever having used the software (at least according to your post). "I have seen responses, on another forum, that have preferred HC for quality. I will most probably start with it and see what happens." I just wish I could find such credible forum info. Are you sure you won't share with a fellow forum member? Like I said before, I'm sure you'll like the HC as much as you already do.
Have a nice evening.
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jlrm365
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26. March 2007 @ 22:45 |
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"(at least according to your post)."
It has been according to nothing, other than assumption.
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PacMan777
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27. March 2007 @ 02:06 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
"(at least according to your post)."
It has been according to nothing, other than assumption.
Truer words ... Glad you agree with me. ;)
Originally posted by jlrm365:
Normally I would, but I have heard enough folks - on another forum and whose opinions I trust - go for HC. I just wanted to see the counter-thoughts / stances. Much appreciated.
That's all the info needed, thanks.
DVD RB forum is no mystery. Opinions vary there as well, but the consensus is CCE and ProCoder are superior. Or is your mystery site a mysterious one you never joined? Those google bots are something. ;)
Enjoy the HC and have a nice day. Tell us how HC and CCE compare when you've learned to use the software. It's so easy even a novice can use it.
I'll give you the last word, or end with your words. You came to us with "all the info needed" and now can't leave without having the last word.
Originally posted by jlrm365:
I have seen responses, on another forum, that have preferred HC for quality. I will most probably start with it and see what happens.
This issue has more or less been exhausted, so thanks.
lol
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jlrm365
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27. March 2007 @ 03:20 |
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Another edited post, I see.
"Glad you agree with me"
I did not agree with you, on that point. I do not agree with you, on that point.
It was your assumption, that I have no experience with the software.
"now can't leave without having the last word"
You had earlier said:
"have no more to say"
Evidently.
Indeed it seems you "can't leave without having the last word".
Respond and underline both that sentiment and your hubris.
I doubt that you have the strength of character to resist.
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PacMan777
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27. March 2007 @ 03:42 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
Another edited post, I see.
They were your words and the posts were complete.
"Glad you agree with me"
I did not agree with you, on that point. I do not agree with you, on that point.
It was your assumption, that I have no experience with the software.
Your words stated that. I don't need to post them again.
"now can't leave without having the last word"
You had earlier said:
"have no more to say"
Evidently.
Indeed it seems you "can't leave without having the last word".
Not really so. You can have the last word if you wish. You've become argumentative because your novice status with the software was exposed by your own words.
Respond and underline both that sentiment and your hubris.
I doubt that you have the strength of character to resist.
I'm not gullible enough to let such a statement keep me from responding to one whose hubris is so large that his ego won't allow him to accept being a newbie at anything.
Since you've started acting juvenile and become argumentative with no thought to converse in a decent manner, and want to make the issue personal, I have no more to say to you.
Have a good day.
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jlrm365
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27. March 2007 @ 03:46 |
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"I have no more to say to you."
Just as you earlier had "no more to say", I am sure.
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27. March 2007 @ 13:45 |
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jlrm365
You've had no more to say going back several posts, but that doesn't seem to have stopped you from saying it. LOL
You started a thread and now you want complete control over it, which is evidenced by the fact that you want to retain that control down to the last post.
If you want it to end then don't say that's what you want only to return time and again.
CCE and Procoder are both better than HC encoder, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a good encoder, it means that there is room for growth. Now live with it and move on.
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27. March 2007 @ 13:45 |
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Double post.
" Please Read!!! Post your questions only in This Thread or they will go unanswered:
Help with development of BD RB: Donations at: http://www.jdobbs.com/. This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. March 2007 @ 15:55
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jlrm365
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27. March 2007 @ 13:53 |
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I did start the thread and so I shall continue and/or end it.
If you do not want a response, then do not leave one to be responded to.
The questions have been answered and no more need be added.
This will be the thread's last post, unless a response is posted.
"Now live with it and move on."
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PacMan777
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27. March 2007 @ 14:42 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
I did start the thread and so I shall continue and/or end it.
If you do not want a response, then do not leave one to be responded to.
The questions have been answered and no more need be added.
This will be the thread's last post, unless a response is posted.
"Now live with it and move on."
It just dawned on me. LOL You should stop arguing with adults.
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jlrm365
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27. March 2007 @ 15:00 |
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An adult would form a whole sentence, without the need to edit it.
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PacMan777
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27. March 2007 @ 15:22 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
An adult would form a whole sentence, without the need to edit it.
LOL How old are you?
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jlrm365
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27. March 2007 @ 18:31 |
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"I have no more to say to you."
Indeed.
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PacMan777
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27. March 2007 @ 18:55 |
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Originally posted by jlrm365:
"I have no more to say to you."
Indeed.
I must complement your school. Your grammar and diction have improved since you joined AD a couple of years ago.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/132964
I see you're still asking questions. It's good to be inquisitive, but at some point you need to start working with the software instead of just asking questions.
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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/483137
jlrm365
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18. March 2007 @ 10:44
DVD-Rebuilder seems to be the front-end standard tool, but which is its best companion?
HC is native to it, but I am told that CCE produces comparable results and is faster.
Would the native interaction make HC better (I have seen a number of guides for that combo) or does it work just as well to use CCE and benefit from a bit of a speed boost?
How comparable are the end results and is there a person / site who has done a comparison table?
Thanks.
I noticed iHoe and the others told you pretty much what you heard here. You should have had a moderator move the post for you to prevent double posting. I guess you spent the last week or so researching. You should have asked some questions while you were at DVD RB.
After you get the software set up and start using it, feel free to drop back in and ask some more questions. Instead of theory and opinion, you might want to address function.
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