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Uprgrading my CPU with CCE in mind
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6. August 2007 @ 22:44 |
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Will CCE SP utilize a quad core processor? I'm asking because I'm curious about the Intel Q6600. Otherwise I'll probably go with The dual E6850. Let me know what you think.
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7. August 2007 @ 04:37 |
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Will CCE SP utilize a quad core processor?
No, CCE is only dual threaded so it will us only two cores.
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7. August 2007 @ 05:23 |
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. After looking at that particular quad processor for longer then a couple seconds I came to see that it was just barely faster then the dual, and generated significantly more heat.
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16. August 2007 @ 18:22 |
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Well, I just figured I'd post what I ended up getting. I went with the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 and not the E6850. Even though the E6850 is faster (and less expensive by a couple dollars) it would have cost me a couple hundred dollars more in the long run since the mobos that support it along with decent DDR3 ram is so much more expensive. I'm not and wasn't planning on overclocking the processors (my mobo won't let me do it anyway) and as the E6700 is on it's own I couldn't be happier with the incredible speed boost it has given to DVDRB/CCESP2. Thank you everyone for all your input, advice and help.
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18. August 2007 @ 09:56 |
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I believe that it is possible to set dvd re builder to run multiple copies of CCE which could allow you to take advantage of quad core.
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18. August 2007 @ 12:36 |
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I believe that it is possible to set dvd re builder to run multiple copies of CCE which could allow you to take advantage of quad core.
No CCE cannot take advantage of RB's "Multi Encoder Processes" because it is already multi (2) threaded. RB can only run one copy of CCE at a time. With quad core CPU's becoming mainstream perhaps CCE's developers will in time consider making the application at least quad threaded.
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2. September 2007 @ 08:00 |
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I've used CCE+DVD RB for a long time now, and I finally upgraded to a Q6600 in one of my boxes. I don't know what exactly it means, but CCTSP.exe, in task manager, will show ~58-65% CPU usage on the quad core, meaning, technically, it's using 2+ cores. It may well be normal overhead, but just something I noticed.
Speed wise it seems blisteringly fast, getting 11-14x, overclocked to 3ghz. While I don't think it fully supports quad core, I do believe it's utilizing some of a third core.
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2. September 2007 @ 10:21 |
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I finally upgraded to a Q6600 in one of my boxes. I don't know what exactly it means, but CCTSP.exe, in task manager, will show ~58-65% CPU usage on the quad core
A Q6600 is fast even on two cores. If you see it using more than two cores than you are possibly looking at a flaw in how Windows allocates work to each core. It is possible that a single threaded process is split between more than one core by having it oscillate between it and another core. Since CCE can run two threads at once then it would be oscillating in a two by two fashion between the four cores. This has happened with dual cores and I am speculating the possibility of it occurring with four cores, but whatever the result, CCE can only run two threads at once, and no more. If you see more than dual core operation with a quad core, then you will have to look elsewhere for the answer.
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2. September 2007 @ 14:41 |
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Is there anything besides overclocking and ram that could speed up a processor? I'm curious because with my E6700 running CCE my speeds are 6x on the low end, about 6.5x normally, and 7x on the high end. Are these normal speeds for E6700?
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2. September 2007 @ 15:01 |
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Is there anything besides overclocking and ram that could speed up a processor?
Yes, but only moderately! Hard drive speed seems to have an effect on the prepare and rebuild stages, and perhaps less during the encode phase. Try it with an independent hard drive separate from the source drive and that can also help.
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2. September 2007 @ 15:36 |
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So do the speeds I reported with E6700 sound normal for a system that isn't overclocked?
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26. September 2007 @ 12:39 |
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if you dont have dual core...should multiple encoder processes be enabled or disabled?
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26. September 2007 @ 12:46 |
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mord,
it doesn't matter as it won't make any difference either way.
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7. October 2007 @ 20:12 |
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It doesn't appear that both my processors are being fully utilized with RB and CCESP. When looking at task manager->performance cpu usage is usually only around 75% and the speeds I'm getting with CCESP along side my E6700 seem low compared to what others are reporting. Any ideas on how to speed things up or fully utilize my processors for CCESP without overclocking?
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8. October 2007 @ 04:18 |
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Remember that the E6700 has a clock speed of 2.67 GHz and the speed that I posted was with an E6700 over clocked to 3.6 GHz (a gain of 930 Mhz) which means that my CPU is running about 35% faster than yours. That's also going to translate to some additional speed. Also not ever DVD will encode at the same speed. DVD's that are longer running with more frames or are just plain loaded with action will encode at a slower rate.
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8. October 2007 @ 06:39 |
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Thanks for the information about different movies encoding at different speeds. I had noticed this with longer, episodic movies in particular but never made the connection with action movies and so forth. Just so I don't make people misunderstand or repeat themselves I understand that my speeds are going to be slower on a non overclocked machine. I'm still curious though about why my cpu is usually only around 75% usage with CCE running though. Is there a way to make the priority higher, like in Nero recode for example, through hidden settings in RB or tweaking other settings on my cpu?
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8. October 2007 @ 11:21 |
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Have you tried the old trick of changing the speed in the Task Manager?
Click on the processess tab, right click the process you want to change and set its priority. I dont know how stable this method is, havent personally tried it with RB but it works for other "less CPU intensive" processes.
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8. October 2007 @ 12:13 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Have you tried the old trick of changing the speed in the Task Manager?
Click on the processess tab, right click the process you want to change and set its priority. I dont know how stable this method is, havent personally tried it with RB but it works for other "less CPU intensive" processes.
I'm definitely gonna give this a try. If it works out and makes any sort of difference I'll let you guys know. Thanks for the help man.
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14. March 2008 @ 13:23 |
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No CCE cannot take advantage of RB's "Multi Encoder Processes" because it is already multi (2) threaded. RB can only run one copy of CCE at a time. With quad core CPU's becoming mainstream perhaps CCE's developers will in time consider making the application at least quad threaded.
Aw man, this really bites... Just got me a Q6600 @ 3,6Ghz thinking I'd churn a movie in just a couple of hours... Should've gotten me a E8400 @ 4,2GHz or something. I noticed with Archiving it's the same shiv, dual thread only. b@^$&*@!s
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14. March 2008 @ 14:02 |
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14. March 2008 @ 18:58 |
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Hmmmm... CCE utilizes all four cores on my setup at 65% or so at around 12X speed. I haven't overclocked my Q6600 yet either... I've yet to test Hanks.
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14. March 2008 @ 19:03 |
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Originally posted by teflonmyk:
Hmmmm... CCE utilizes all four cores on my setup at 65% or so at around 12X speed. I haven't overclocked my Q6600 yet either... I've yet to test Hanks.
well get on with it young man, we need results :) :)
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14. March 2008 @ 19:05 |
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That's not right, CCE is using 2 cores but the load is distributed over all of the cores to balance it all. The other 15% is just system load.
Using full 4 cores means 100% usage indicated, like with Priming.
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14. March 2008 @ 19:09 |
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I don't really check my load %, i often run Rebuilder (HC or CCE) alongside DVD Flick and alongside ConvertXtoDVD too, might as well make the pc work hard with all 3 programs :)
am doing that now as it happens
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14. March 2008 @ 21:45 |
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Technically, you're right, but why buy a quad if you can't multitask like "H-E-double hockey sticks." LOL
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