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Heavyweight Championship Of The World !!
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irfoton
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1. January 2004 @ 06:51 |
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wilkes,
the issue I have is that with audio only players, choosing which set of music to play is not easy with little to no information displayed in the players display. For instance to play Hotel California, I put the disc in the player and it goes to the surround sound playlist automatically. To get to the stereo playlist I have to go to the top menu. That requires a monitor.
On the DVDA v SACD topic, remember when people buy Sony DVD players they are more than likely to get SACD playback. Also, I don't think their $1B loss can be attributed to SACD by any stretch. What Sony has in their favor is that they are also a music studio so can release their catalog on whatever format they want. With the merger of Sony and BMG it will be an even larger catalog. This is where the format will win or lose - content.
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2. January 2004 @ 04:00 |
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I hear you loud & clear!
The issue with Hotel California is one of 2 things - either poor authoring, or down to the problem that 1 track of audio needs to be the default. I've always found that you can switch audio streams without having to see an OSD simply by hitting the "audio" button on the DVD remote. That should cycle you through the available options.
Interestingly enough, Phillips are now DVD-A & MLP licensees. So much for the oft quoted "DVD-Audio is an abomination".
As I have said, we will see, and I still believe the vast base of installed DVD machines means that when they need replacing they will be replaced by another DVD machine, and the new generation of these all have DVD-A capability.
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irfoton
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2. January 2004 @ 18:13 |
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No matter what happens in the format wars, I'm prepared. I have a universal player and buy the music I want. I just wish both formats would hurry up and get moving on better titles. I would love to have things like Dave Matthews, Chris Whitley, Mojave 3, Giant Sand ... on high resolution. Also, some classic bands are still missing like Led Zepplin (have how the west was won) and Jethro Tull and Van Morrison. You get my drift.
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3. January 2004 @ 07:19 |
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Absolutely agreed.
The Led Zep HTWWW is on DVD-A now. Not got it yet, but soon...
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A_Klingon
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4. January 2004 @ 15:55 |
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Dear Mark (mfurj) :
My apologies for this late reply. I have received the Pioneer DVDA player review you kindly sent. (Thank You!)
You're quite right about the set up menu. It IS a pain in the ass, but I suspect that most such menus are the same, no matter what brand or model of player you have. I'm very lucky in one sense - I don't have a 5.1 surround system (wanna know something? I'm not even sure I *want* a 5.1 surround system), and so I didn't have to frig with the Pioneer's menu much.
Stereo is so much simpler. Surround music is nice, yes, but I care more about the music than about the effects unless the recording engineers are *damned* good at what they do. (HI Wilkes!) - wink-wink.
As you know Mark, the set-up menus are a necessary evil we have to accept if we want to achieve the best sound. Nature of the beast, I guess.
I want to see more DVDA titles out there. LOTS more !!!! And I want to see the current local price of $40 Canadian cut in half. (Or close to it). Neither I nor anyone else cherishes the thought of replacing large, expensive, painstakingly-acquired CD collections with the current, sporadically weak overpriced dvda items we are now seeing.
There's too damned many formats (both established and emerging) out there anyway. Not just in audio either. Blu-ray is on this or next year's horizon, and the Chinese have now perfected their new EVD (Enhanced Versatile Disc) which is IN production (with a cool 400 titles ready on launch), and with FIVE times the resolution of current DVDA. High-Definition-Ready right out of the box !!!! God only knows - *they* may decide to come up with yet *another* Hi-Res Audio format of their own.
People (like me, I guess) are ready to give up the ghost waiting for *The*, *One*, single hi-res audio format to appear; others gave up long ago. It's totally the fault of the Record Label Conglomerates for not getting their shit together years ago, that they (and we) are in this current mess.
Many many thanks again for the player review, Mark. Despite the cheapish-looking grey colour, the Pioneer has become my favourite player, even for my homemade dvdv's. -- Mike --
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5. January 2004 @ 08:39 |
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Just traded the Limit for a Pioneer DV565.
Found a serious problem in the implementation of DVD-Audio in the limit, namely no multiscreen menus, and will only play a single group out of the nine allowable. Found it doing a DVDA version of an Opera, where the client wanted different versions on the same disc - stereo & surround, so set group 1 as surround & group 2 as stereo, and the limit wouldn't play the stereo ones.
The Pioneer is superb though - I got it on the recommendation on the DV563 in this very thread! Very nice is my first thoughts on it.
Must go for the moment - got a couple projects to finish off.
Mike - I've not forgotten you, it's just that the client for the job I was telling you about cannot make up their ****ing minds about content. Done 2 builds a day for the last week, and still they haven't sorted it.
The discs will be on their way to you as soon as content gets finalised.
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A_Klingon
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6. January 2004 @ 15:46 |
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Not to worry Wilkes; please, take all the time you want. We'll all still be here. :)
Congrats on the Pioneer 565 !! My 563 works like a gem too. Not a single hiccup that I can find. If manufacturers will continue to provide affordable machines that perform well, it will help the DVDA cause immensely. -- Mike --
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24. January 2004 @ 08:25 |
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It's all over with a knockout blow.
See "this is gonna kill SACD" thread!
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27. April 2004 @ 01:13 |
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27. April 2004 @ 13:22 |
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What happened round 3, 4, 5, etc
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Prisoner
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27. April 2004 @ 16:08 |
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The link didn't work for me. But this browser is all messed up. That will show me to use someones else computer. Silly thing crashes on Yahoo.
I still vote (with out seeing the info) on SACD. Not bad format and I don't own a DVD-Audio player so little biased.
I am not a number
I am a Free Man
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TheH
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14. May 2004 @ 11:27 |
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I got Led Zep's HTWWW-DVDA and it sounds great!!
So far the best DVDA I could find.
But still there is a lot of "junk" titles out there.
When are we going to see a better collection for DVDA or SACD?
When is these battle going to end?
I think for people that dont know much about formats very well and are looking for a new best audio sounding disk are going to go with sacd, the name sets so,
the avarege joe thinks DVD is just Video, movies.
And if they see saCD well they will thik its a Super CD.
That's just what I think, but if DVDA sales are up, well maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am cuz I love my DVDA player.
TheH
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HiRezHead
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11. June 2004 @ 08:48 |
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After purchasing many SACD's and DVD-A's and comparing them to the 24bit remastered & non-remastered 16bit CD's I came to the conclusion that DVD-A is somewhat a little more natural sounding. The SACD's have a slightly processed sound. BTW, Sony & Philips stating that SACD has the edge over DVD-A but after studying a scientific research (Doctor promotion) by two german guys it is proven that SACD is technically NOT better than DVD-A but also not worse. However DVD-A is more versatile and offers the extra videoclips. Example: I waited 20 years to see the Donald Fagen video "New Frontier" from the excellent Nightfly album (1982). Now it is on the DVD-A, voila! In the next week I will test the Steely Dan "Goucho" album - it is both on SACD & DVD-A. You will read my report on this.
Lord Vader: Come to the dark side Luke, we (The DVD Consortium) are stronger...hehehe
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 11. June 2004 @ 08:49
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11. June 2004 @ 09:06 |
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Darth Vader as the CEO of Sony!
Who does that cast as Luke though?
Interesting that the big co-conspirator, Philips, are now DVD-A & MLP licensees though.
My BIG problem with SACD is that it actually sounds a lot better when played through a 20KHz LPF Linear Phase Filter. It is a lot smoother. Trouble is, that kind of gives the lie to the claim that ultra high samplerates are required.
As any fule kno, it is much easier (and cheaper) to make a 192KHz converter sound good than a 44.1/48KHz one. You simply do not have to design the filters as well due to all the noise being shoved up into the ultrasonic area where we cannot actually hear it, psychoacoustics or no psychoacoustics.
Also, Ultrasonic noise is every bit as bad for a human as Low Frequency subsonic noise.
Subsonics will turn your organs to jelly, ultrasonics will do just as much damage. But Sony do not want to tell you that.
Stick to 96KHz if you must, although I still believe that even this is overkill. 192 is a marketing ploy and no more.
I will find the link to an article written by an ADC/DAC manufacturer on this one, where he says the same thing.
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