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Wow! Those examples are very bad indeed but I can asure you the camera is better than that! Remember that those movies are not full resolution and they have been DivX encoded.
I've got some example footage I took with the camera that I can put somewhere for you. If you have the CoreAVC codec installed you can play the MTS file directly in media player (i.e. data straight from the camera rather than being recoded). Having said that, in answer to your earlier posts, I'd say DV is still better than the other compression techniques and I'd definately say the the camera IS NOT high quality enough to do real film work with. If you're looking to do something serious then a consumer level unit (even a medium to high end one) isn't going to give you the quality you need.
Let me know how to get the MTS files to you as I don't fancy posting an FTP or web link directly on the forum otherwise I'll be spammed left, right and center! :)
Oh yes, before I forget, Nero got back to me with a big list of things I need to do to provide them with a full bug report and they have accessed my FTP server so watch this space. And Sony Vegas still crashes on some of the files (only 2 of the 90 I shot) so compatibility is very much improved but still not perfect. Still a few software revisions to go before things are glitch free I think.
Thank you very much for that! I certainly do uderstand your spamming point, so my email address is smokethis2008@hotmail.com. I did take into account that it was divx encoded, but I wasn't sure how much quality had been reduced due to that. Thank you for telling me about the codec, I'm sure I'll be able to pick that up some time soon. I'm guessing you'd recommend me to get a DV camcorder to do real film work with? (To be honest, I was trying to avoid that because of the DV tape costs, but oh well for me) What is it that makes the two differ? Why is tape better than HDD? Is there one right now on the market that you'd really recommend to me?
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Thank you very much for that! I certainly do uderstand your spamming point, so my email address is smokethis2008@hotmail.com. I did take into account that it was divx encoded, but I wasn't sure how much quality had been reduced due to that. Thank you for telling me about the code, I'm sure I'll be able to pick that up some time soon. I'm guessing you'd recommend me to get a DV camcorder to do real film work with? (To be honest, I was trying to avoid that because of the DV tape costs, but oh well for me
The cost of the tape is insignificant with respect to the quality of the memories you will get by using tape.
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Thank you very much for that! I certainly do uderstand your spamming point, so my email address is smokethis2008@hotmail.com. I did take into account that it was divx encoded, but I wasn't sure how much quality had been reduced due to that. Thank you for telling me about the code, I'm sure I'll be able to pick that up some time soon. I'm guessing you'd recommend me to get a DV camcorder to do real film work with? (To be honest, I was trying to avoid that because of the DV tape costs, but oh well for me
The cost of the tape is insignificant with respect to the quality of the memories you will get by using tape.
sorry I actually hadn't finished writing that, cuz my pc crashed on me while I was typing it... however, why does it differ from hard drive recording?
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Originally posted by GrandpaBW:
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Thank you very much for that! I certainly do uderstand your spamming point, so my email address is smokethis2008@hotmail.com. I did take into account that it was divx encoded, but I wasn't sure how much quality had been reduced due to that. Thank you for telling me about the code, I'm sure I'll be able to pick that up some time soon. I'm guessing you'd recommend me to get a DV camcorder to do real film work with? (To be honest, I was trying to avoid that because of the DV tape costs, but oh well for me
The cost of the tape is insignificant with respect to the quality of the memories you will get by using tape.
sorry I actually hadn't finished writing that, cuz my pc crashed on me while I was typing it... however, why does it differ from hard drive recording?
The quality, of the captured file, is superior to the hard drive quality. It is also superior to the quality of a MiniDVD.
The reason is, MiniDV tapes can be captured as .avi files, which results in lossless video quality. Captures from hard drives and MiniDVD's are compressed video, which results in some loss of quality.
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Originally posted by GrandpaBW:
Originally posted by ST2006:
Thank you very much for that! I certainly do uderstand your spamming point, so my email address is smokethis2008@hotmail.com. I did take into account that it was divx encoded, but I wasn't sure how much quality had been reduced due to that. Thank you for telling me about the code, I'm sure I'll be able to pick that up some time soon. I'm guessing you'd recommend me to get a DV camcorder to do real film work with? (To be honest, I was trying to avoid that because of the DV tape costs, but oh well for me
The cost of the tape is insignificant with respect to the quality of the memories you will get by using tape.
sorry I actually hadn't finished writing that, cuz my pc crashed on me while I was typing it... however, why does it differ from hard drive recording?
The quality, of the captured file, is superior to the hard drive quality. It is also superior to the quality of a MiniDVD.
The reason is, MiniDV tapes can be captured as .avi files, which results in lossless video quality. Captures from hard drives and MiniDVD's are compressed video, which results in some loss of quality.
Hmm.. thanks again for another good explaination (and all the help so far), what I was wondering was, are there any HDD camcorders that captures video straight to .avi?
I'm going to have to really consider my options here, however, I'm still writing script for the film, and discussing with my brother what camcorder to get. The Christmas holidays are coming up soon, and hopefully I'd have finished my script towards the end of it and have more time to think clearly about my final option.
swinansal my email address is smokethis2008@hotmail.com, if you could send me the link to your server with the video sample, I'd be very grateful, and thanks for all your help so far too ;->
And of course to TPFKAS, thanks a lot for your help too so far.
Saying thanks, don't be surprised if I ask for more help and answers some time soon!! ;->
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what I was wondering was, are there any HDD camcorders that captures video straight to .avi?
I know of none that allow capture as .avi files.
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Indeed there are no camcorder that record to hard drive in DV-AVI. Unfortunately according to many long standing video enthusiasts. Although DV is not a lossless compression (as suggested earlier in this thread), the compression rate is much lower than the reats that are usually used in mpeg, divx etc. and therefor the image is much better. One big advantage of DV is furthermore that all frames are compressed individually which makes it easier to edit and reduced the need for re-encoding unchanged frames.
So why isn't there a hard drive camcorder that records in DV-AVI? Simple: because camcorder manufacturers tried to make HDD camcorders more attractive. The first models had a harddrive of 20GB, which is enough for around 1.5 hours of DV-compressed footage. Furthermore, if you then tranfer it to a PC, which you have to if your hard drive in the camcorder is full, you also would end up with very large files. So they decided to use mpeg-2 compression. This has another advantage: it is the compression that is also used on DVD, so you can simply take the files and use them for authoring DVD's.
What we should not forget however is that many people that use miniDV tape (apart from the millions of people that just shoot loads full of holiday tapes just to never watch them again) will transfer their footage to DVD so it will be compressed to mpeg-2 anyway. However, if done with a proper encoder you can still get decent quality.
All the above, however is the story before HighDef arrived on the market. MiniDV camcorder are certainly superior in quality over DVD and Hard Drive camcorders in standard definition. But if you go to HD and keep your material in HD all the way (meaning that you end up with HD-DVD) you have a good case for using hard drive camcorders that record in HighDef. But for the moment the amount of people that own a HD-DVD is still limited and there is still the war between HD-DVD and Bluray going on.
The bottom line: if I would have to buy a new camcorder today, I still would opt for miniDV.
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Originally posted by TPFKAS:
Indeed there are no camcorder that record to hard drive in DV-AVI. Unfortunately according to many long standing video enthusiasts. Although DV is not a lossless compression (as suggested earlier in this thread), the compression rate is much lower than the reats that are usually used in mpeg, divx etc. and therefor the image is much better. One big advantage of DV is furthermore that all frames are compressed individually which makes it easier to edit and reduced the need for re-encoding unchanged frames.
So why isn't there a hard drive camcorder that records in DV-AVI? Simple: because camcorder manufacturers tried to make HDD camcorders more attractive. The first models had a harddrive of 20GB, which is enough for around 1.5 hours of DV-compressed footage. Furthermore, if you then tranfer it to a PC, which you have to if your hard drive in the camcorder is full, you also would end up with very large files. So they decided to use mpeg-2 compression. This has another advantage: it is the compression that is also used on DVD, so you can simply take the files and use them for authoring DVD's.
What we should not forget however is that many people that use miniDV tape (apart from the millions of people that just shoot loads full of holiday tapes just to never watch them again) will transfer their footage to DVD so it will be compressed to mpeg-2 anyway. However, if done with a proper encoder you can still get decent quality.
All the above, however is the story before HighDef arrived on the market. MiniDV camcorder are certainly superior in quality over DVD and Hard Drive camcorders in standard definition. But if you go to HD and keep your material in HD all the way (meaning that you end up with HD-DVD) you have a good case for using hard drive camcorders that record in HighDef. But for the moment the amount of people that own a HD-DVD is still limited and there is still the war between HD-DVD and Bluray going on.
The bottom line: if I would have to buy a new camcorder today, I still would opt for miniDV.
Well said, TPFKAS, Hopefully, the battle between HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be over while I am still young enough to partake of the final product. :)
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Well said, TPFKAS, Hopefully, the battle between HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be over while I am still young enough to partake of the final product. :)
Yeah, but I should read my own posts before pusing the button. Too many typos... :-(
But I'm pretty sure that you will live to see the the conclusion of the battle. These days it it will not take as much time as it did 30 years ago during the battle of the various tape formats. :-)
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Originally posted by GrandpaBW:
Originally posted by TPFKAS:
Indeed there are no camcorder that record to hard drive in DV-AVI. Unfortunately according to many long standing video enthusiasts. Although DV is not a lossless compression (as suggested earlier in this thread), the compression rate is much lower than the reats that are usually used in mpeg, divx etc. and therefor the image is much better. One big advantage of DV is furthermore that all frames are compressed individually which makes it easier to edit and reduced the need for re-encoding unchanged frames.
So why isn't there a hard drive camcorder that records in DV-AVI? Simple: because camcorder manufacturers tried to make HDD camcorders more attractive. The first models had a harddrive of 20GB, which is enough for around 1.5 hours of DV-compressed footage. Furthermore, if you then tranfer it to a PC, which you have to if your hard drive in the camcorder is full, you also would end up with very large files. So they decided to use mpeg-2 compression. This has another advantage: it is the compression that is also used on DVD, so you can simply take the files and use them for authoring DVD's.
What we should not forget however is that many people that use miniDV tape (apart from the millions of people that just shoot loads full of holiday tapes just to never watch them again) will transfer their footage to DVD so it will be compressed to mpeg-2 anyway. However, if done with a proper encoder you can still get decent quality.
All the above, however is the story before HighDef arrived on the market. MiniDV camcorder are certainly superior in quality over DVD and Hard Drive camcorders in standard definition. But if you go to HD and keep your material in HD all the way (meaning that you end up with HD-DVD) you have a good case for using hard drive camcorders that record in HighDef. But for the moment the amount of people that own a HD-DVD is still limited and there is still the war between HD-DVD and Bluray going on.
The bottom line: if I would have to buy a new camcorder today, I still would opt for miniDV.
Well said, TPFKAS, Hopefully, the battle between HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be over while I am still young enough to partake of the final product. :)
Thank you very much TFKAS, I do indeed want to keep it HD the whole way through, however I don't own a HD-DVD or a HD-DVD player, and I'm 12 years old! I mean this is my time, my generation!
And Bruce, you seem like you have a long way to go in life! Very full of life (from what I can see) and knowledge. So most likely you'll see it through to the last stand! When I become older, I want to be like you; still keeping up with all the new technology, and being very wise and helpful to other people, like in this case, it was me! ;-) Thanks man!
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So I guess we'll be hearing from you in 10 years from now as the new Steven Spielberg ;-)
As said earlier in this thread make sure you have access to a powerfull PC that is able to edit AVCHD without any conversion. And for archiving purposes I would also reccomend to throw in a decent size external hard drive.
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So I guess we'll be hearing from you in 10 years from now as the new Steven Spielberg ;-)
As said earlier in this thread make sure you have access to a powerfull PC that is able to edit AVCHD without any conversion. And for archiving purposes I would also reccomend to throw in a decent size external hard drive.
It's the dream! And I have the inspiration from many friends and family members, including my Dad (though my career choice was unknown to him, he wanted me to follow my dreams and be sucessful), which the film I'm writing script for revolves around a lot.
About the PC, if I did the shooting in January, February I'd have a week off from school to spend with my brother, so if my brother let me, I could use his PC, which I know is very powerful, and on top of that he's upgrading it (well according to him, but knowing my brother, that's a few years away!). I also have permission from my English teacher to do all the editing work on his Mac, as long as I stay in school with the whole editing process; he is a really good teacher! And then I have the support from my drama teacher too, where in their studio they have loads of editing software and hardware (also in my school though). So, I think I'm relatively safe (and I mean RELATIVELY, because those options aren't all that stable).
If I ever become the 'next' Steven Spielberg, I shall mention all of you to the world, and Afterdawn of course! For all your help, thank you.
I may well be back to ask for more help on more cam.s, but 'till then - cya! ;) Safe to all my fellow Afterdawn homies (safe is a british term for respect, for ya'll Americans! ;))
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Originally posted by TPFKAS:
So I guess we'll be hearing from you in 10 years from now as the new Steven Spielberg ;-)
As said earlier in this thread make sure you have access to a powerfull PC that is able to edit AVCHD without any conversion. And for archiving purposes I would also reccomend to throw in a decent size external hard drive.
It's the dream! And I have the inspiration from many friends and family members, including my Dad (though my career choice was unknown to him, he wanted me to follow my dreams and be sucessful), which the film I'm writing script for revolves around a lot.
About the PC, if I did the shooting in January, February I'd have a week off from school to spend with my brother, so if my brother let me, I could use his PC, which I know is very powerful, and on top of that he's upgrading it (well according to him, but knowing my brother, that's a few years away!). I also have permission from my English teacher to do all the editing work on his Mac, as long as I stay in school with the whole editing process, he is a really good teacher! And then I have the support from my drama teacher too, where in their studio they have loads of editing softwares and hardwares (also in my school though). So, I think I'm relatively safe (and I mean RELATIVELY, because those options aren't all that stable).
If I ever become the 'next' Steven Spielberg, I shall mention all of you to the world, and Afterdawn of course! For all your help, thank you.
I may well be back to ask for more help on more cam.s, but 'till then - cya! ;) Safe to all my fellow Afterdawn homies (safe is a british term for respect, for ya'll Americans! ;))
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Originally posted by ST2006:
Originally posted by TPFKAS:
So I guess we'll be hearing from you in 10 years from now as the new Steven Spielberg ;-)
As said earlier in this thread make sure you have access to a powerfull PC that is able to edit AVCHD without any conversion. And for archiving purposes I would also reccomend to throw in a decent size external hard drive.
It's the dream! And I have the inspiration from many friends and family members, including my Dad (though my career choice was unknown to him, he wanted me to follow my dreams and be sucessful), which the film I'm writing script for revolves around a lot.
About the PC, if I did the shooting in January, February I'd have a week off from school to spend with my brother, so if my brother let me, I could use his PC, which I know is very powerful, and on top of that he's upgrading it (well according to him, but knowing my brother, that's a few years away!). I also have permission from my English teacher to do all the editing work on his Mac, as long as I stay in school with the whole editing process; he is a really good teacher! And then I have the support from my drama teacher too, where in their studio they have loads of editing software and hardware (also in my school though). So, I think I'm relatively safe (and I mean RELATIVELY, because those options aren't all that stable).
If I ever become the 'next' Steven Spielberg, I shall mention all of you to the world, and Afterdawn of course! For all your help, thank you.
I may well be back to ask for more help on more cam.s, but 'till then - cya! ;) Safe to all my fellow Afterdawn homies (safe is a british term for respect, for ya'll Americans! ;))
You are young. Get a good education, and NEVER stop dreaming. Godspeed, young fellow.
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Originally posted by ST2006:
Originally posted by GrandpaBW:
Originally posted by TPFKAS:
Indeed there are no camcorder that record to hard drive in DV-AVI. Unfortunately according to many long standing video enthusiasts. Although DV is not a lossless compression (as suggested earlier in this thread), the compression rate is much lower than the reats that are usually used in mpeg, divx etc. and therefor the image is much better. One big advantage of DV is furthermore that all frames are compressed individually which makes it easier to edit and reduced the need for re-encoding unchanged frames.
So why isn't there a hard drive camcorder that records in DV-AVI? Simple: because camcorder manufacturers tried to make HDD camcorders more attractive. The first models had a harddrive of 20GB, which is enough for around 1.5 hours of DV-compressed footage. Furthermore, if you then tranfer it to a PC, which you have to if your hard drive in the camcorder is full, you also would end up with very large files. So they decided to use mpeg-2 compression. This has another advantage: it is the compression that is also used on DVD, so you can simply take the files and use them for authoring DVD's.
What we should not forget however is that many people that use miniDV tape (apart from the millions of people that just shoot loads full of holiday tapes just to never watch them again) will transfer their footage to DVD so it will be compressed to mpeg-2 anyway. However, if done with a proper encoder you can still get decent quality.
All the above, however is the story before HighDef arrived on the market. MiniDV camcorder are certainly superior in quality over DVD and Hard Drive camcorders in standard definition. But if you go to HD and keep your material in HD all the way (meaning that you end up with HD-DVD) you have a good case for using hard drive camcorders that record in HighDef. But for the moment the amount of people that own a HD-DVD is still limited and there is still the war between HD-DVD and Bluray going on.
The bottom line: if I would have to buy a new camcorder today, I still would opt for miniDV.
Well said, TPFKAS, Hopefully, the battle between HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be over while I am still young enough to partake of the final product. :)
Thank you very much TFKAS, I do indeed want to keep it HD the whole way through, however I don't own a HD-DVD or a HD-DVD player, and I'm 12 years old! I mean this is my time, my generation!
And Bruce, you seem like you have a long way to go in life! Very full of life (from what I can see) and knowledge. So most likely you'll see it through to the last stand! When I become older, I want to be like you; still keeping up with all the new technology, and being very wise and helpful to other people, like in this case, it was me! ;-) Thanks man!
You are welcome, and thanks for the kind words. It isn't easy to comprehend all of this new technology, when you are a bit older, so I read and learn from the young.
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Safe to all my fellow Afterdawn homies (safe is a british term for respect, for ya'll Americans! ;))
Booyakasha. Not only Americans on this forum. I live just across the North Sea from you ;-)
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Safe to all my fellow Afterdawn homies (safe is a british term for respect, for ya'll Americans! ;))
Booyakasha. Not only Americans on this forum. I live just across the North Sea from you ;-)
Nope, you're damn right! Sorry I DID get a high level for geography, but when it comes to thinking about continents and their locations, I get a bit confused... so, where are you from?!
GrandpaBW (or Bruce, depending on what you'd like me to call you), I do try my best in each subject, and I am in the top sets for things in my school, but there's definitely a long way to go, with a lot more things I need to get through! Life certainly is good, however!
And just in case I don't get a chance to say it later, happy Christmas to everyone here!!
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Nope, you're damn right! Sorry I DID get a high level for geography, but when it comes to thinking about continents and their locations, I get a bit confused... so, where are you from?!
The first country you'll hit when you get of your island and take the boat straight East... This would be? ;-)
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Originally posted by ST2006:
Nope, you're damn right! Sorry I DID get a high level for geography, but when it comes to thinking about continents and their locations, I get a bit confused... so, where are you from?!
The first country you'll hit when you get of your island and take the boat straight East... This would be? ;-)
Netherlands!
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You passed your test... :-)
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:-> Which area? I'm from North-west (Greater) London
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Another riddle: the home town of Philips Electronics (although they moved their headquarters to Amsterdam a few years ago) and PSV :-)
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Originally posted by TPFKAS:
Another riddle: the home town of Philips Electronics (although they moved their headquarters to Amsterdam a few years ago) and PSV :-)
Eindhoven, right? I wanna check out Amsterdam when I hit 18!
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