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An Updated Master List Of Players
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eatsushi
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14. April 2008 @ 15:48 |
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Update to the list: I added the Philips BD-P7200 Profile 1.1 player that's supposed to come out this month. It features 1080p/24fps, bitstreaming of both True HD and DTS-HD MA, and 5.1 analog out. MSRP is $349 so street prices should be sround $299.
error5: Good catch on that summary from HDD.
I myself can't hear any difference b/w analog, bitstream or LPCM on my Onkyo/B&W 700 series setup. A friend of mine says: Lossless is still lossless no matter how it gets to your speakers. I tend to agree with him.
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15. April 2008 @ 06:23 |
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Originally posted by eatsushi:
I myself can't hear any difference b/w analog, bitstream or LPCM on my Onkyo/B&W 700 series setup. A friend of mine says: Lossless is still lossless no matter how it gets to your speakers. I tend to agree with him.
Yes, but an important consideration is you would need six high quality cables instead of one.
I personally feel it's a little more complicated than "lossless is still lossless". I am not meaning to disagree with you eatsushi as I have much respect for your input here at AfterDawn. I am simply looking to explore ideas. :-)
Here is an informative article that explains the HD audio formats and the various connection options very well: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/J...Explained/1064.
Here is one instance extracted from the above link that I found interesting...
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Multi-channel analog - In this case, the player converts the PCM to analog and sends it to the receiver for amplification. The quality of the DACs in the player will determine the final audio quality. If the disc player has inferior DACs to the receiver, an HDMI connection is preferred.
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eatsushi
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15. April 2008 @ 10:40 |
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I understand your point of view Ryu77. But there's the gap between what's on paper and what you can actually hear. I feel the quality of the DAC's in the players I've owned (Panny DMP-BD30 and Tosh HD-XA2) are equal to that of most receivers, so in real life there's really no audible difference that I can hear. BTW I do use HDMI bitstream right now. I plan to try the decoding on the PS3 later after I update.
Here's an article that puts up an interesting notion. He claims that analog signals are less prone to degradation because of lower quality cables and it's more important to have good cables for digital signals:
http://www.electronichouse.com/article/t..._end_cables/C29
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Analog signals degrade gracefully. A slightly-damaged analog signal can sound very similar to a good one, such that only trained ears might hear a difference. However, with a digital signal, the effect of even a few uncorrected 0s and 1s is likely to create obvious distortion of picture or sound.
Maybe dblbogey7 can share his experiences. I know he has an older Rotel preamp/power amp pairing with B&W Nautilus speakers and he uses 5.1 analogs.
Here's our discussion on analog vs HDMI in the HD DVD forum:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/494479
I guess the bottom line depends on what your receiver can support. Those with older equipment may have to settle for analog 5.1 but those with HDMI should definitely use these connections.
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eatsushi
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17. July 2008 @ 11:14 |
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seensters
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17. July 2008 @ 22:11 |
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ya i know also ur game system will work best with a hd tv
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31. July 2008 @ 09:58 |
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I have been away for a while and I just want to say thanks for the great info and attention to detail eatsushi. I learned something new, Excellent Work!
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25. October 2008 @ 19:31 |
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9. March 2009 @ 12:41 |
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critenlee
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21. August 2009 @ 23:31 |
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Thanks for your sharing. Thanks for sharing this useful information. It's great.
In return i'm going to SPAM you.
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