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28. February 2008 @ 09:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The same is true with motherboard BIOSes, but for the fact that you only have to replace the BIOS chip, not the whole board.



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oh ok, so there is a seperate chip for the bios

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There is on a motherboard, I'm not sure about a graphics card.



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I see, I will still have to think about what OS I am going to use. Is there an article or video or something that might be able to help better with understanding on OCing my GPU or CPU?

Also what exactly is anti-aliasing, and what does it do?

I saw a video where you could take some kind of heated substance like glue or something similar and press the CPU right on to the mobo, I'm not sure where I saw it, it might have been using the original mobo I had thought about when the budget was still 250.. Would this be different for a dual core processor?

Thanks again for all of your help, I get my tax money tomorrow :), and hoping to be able to buy the parts sometime this coming week!

I was also looking at some other ram that Newegg has. They also have 4GB (2x2GB) here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145195 I've heard RAM has different speeds and was wondering if more is better, or like somethings more is less..? Would this type of ram would work the new build? I saw that it was DDR2, and thats about the only thing that I know is important when it comes to RAM.

Another reason I bring up the issue on the RAM is that I was reading up on the reviews on newegg for vista, and it recommends bare minimum of 4GB of RAM, or if you want 64Bit it recommends 6GB!! What would it cost to upgrade the mobo to be able to have a maximum of 6GB? I'm guessing it wouldn't be cheap, I would just like to know what kind of figures I'm looking at.

Thanks again for answering all of the noob questions! :P

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Make a post in our official overclocking thread when you're done building the PC, and then we'll help you from there, it's quite simple.
As for AA, it's a technique used to remove all the jaggedy pixelated lines in games.
Read here for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing
The video you saw was not a heated substance, it was thermal grease, which is that state at room temperature. It's used to make a better contact between the CPU and it's cooler. Most of us here at aD use the stuff, but be advised it can only be used if you've cleaned the existing stuff off the cooler and/or CPU first. The bonus of it though is if you ever do remove or change your CPU cooler, you can put a new one back without having to clean the stuff off.
The process applies for all CPUs.
The RAM you've posted is fine for performance, but if you want to overclock, it'll greatly reduce how far you can get. If you want 4GB of RAM (recommended for top-end games, but will you really be playing those?) it'll be better to go with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184 but really, on any reasonable budget, I'd stick with the 2GB.
The reviewers on newegg are, in all honesty, retards. They haven't got a clue what they're saying. Your memory usage with Vista will only be insane if you use Aero and all the other features Vista offers, whilst playing games. Disable Aero before you go in a memory intensive app and you'll probably be alright. As with XP, I'd recommend you have 4GB if you were a gamer, but unless you get gaming grade components elsewhere, it's pointless.
Getting a motherboard that can support 8GB of RAM is not expensive at all, getting the 8GB might be! Seriously though, don't bother, 4 gigs is all you'll need for a very long time.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Make a post in our official overclocking thread when you're done building the PC, and then we'll help you from there, it's quite simple.
As for AA, it's a technique used to remove all the jaggedy pixelated lines in games.
Read here for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing
The video you saw was not a heated substance, it was thermal grease, which is that state at room temperature. It's used to make a better contact between the CPU and it's cooler. Most of us here at aD use the stuff, but be advised it can only be used if you've cleaned the existing stuff off the cooler and/or CPU first. The bonus of it though is if you ever do remove or change your CPU cooler, you can put a new one back without having to clean the stuff off.
The process applies for all CPUs.
The RAM you've posted is fine for performance, but if you want to overclock, it'll greatly reduce how far you can get. If you want 4GB of RAM (recommended for top-end games, but will you really be playing those?) it'll be better to go with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184 but really, on any reasonable budget, I'd stick with the 2GB.
The reviewers on newegg are, in all honesty, retards. They haven't got a clue what they're saying. Your memory usage with Vista will only be insane if you use Aero and all the other features Vista offers, whilst playing games. Disable Aero before you go in a memory intensive app and you'll probably be alright. As with XP, I'd recommend you have 4GB if you were a gamer, but unless you get gaming grade components elsewhere, it's pointless.
Getting a motherboard that can support 8GB of RAM is not expensive at all, getting the 8GB might be! Seriously though, don't bother, 4 gigs is all you'll need for a very long time.
Ok I just want to clarify one thing, and I greatly appreciate all of the help that I've received from this site, you guys are the most 1337 mofos I've ever talked to online.

But just to make sure that RAM the Corsair 4GB will work with that mobo correct? If so I think I'm going to order it. I have enough money for everything and even though it comes out with shipping a little over budget I think I'll be able to deal with it! with the shipping and the upgrading RAM it costs $508.52. But, after the mail in rebates its $443.52. For now I think I will stick with xp just because I don't have the money to get vista just yet. But with me having a very small HDD only 20GB, I run off a 150GB external mostly. When I do have enough I plan on getting a bigger HDD with vista.

Thanks Again.
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1. March 2008 @ 05:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
A leet mofo eh, that's not one I've heard before! :)
The 4GB of RAM will work on pretty much any board that supports 2GB memory modules (which is practically all modern motherboards, but not many older ones). Fortunately, the Gigabyte one I posted (reminder: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128045) can support that combination.

Your decision to stick with XP initially is good, since while it means you have to install the OS again, it lets you see how the same system performs under two different operating systems. If you're happy with how the system performs with Vista, then keep it.



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Yes leet mofo :P, it was the only thing i could think of. I could have called you all uber nerds.. but I'm jealous of your skills, and would be no where without any of your help.

Also thank you for such an early response, I have to cash my check at the bank when it opens, its 6:54AM my time, before I can order it. Since I got the okay on the new RAM I'm going to order it as soon as the money is in my account. Now I didn't buy a new hard drive with this build.. would I still have to reinstall the OS?

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1. March 2008 @ 07:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
yes you would have to reinstall the OS, since most of the components are new.

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Well I purchased the PC, and once again thanks to everyone that contributed to the thread. You have made my life much easier :). I will officially have a better PC then all of my friends, but if I have any questions upon installation I assure you that you'll hear from me. Or if anyone is popular on the OCing thread I promise you, you'll hear from me once its set up properly, and in working order.

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Good to know, good luck.

See you in the OC thread!
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have fun!

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Ok, well I was just going over the order that I made on newegg and was looking over the video card. There are a few reviews on the card that says they were using the crossfire support.. which I believe means using two of the cards at once. Would the card work just fine with only one of them? I realize that its only 256MB, but also know that that isn't everything when it comes to video cards. My question is with only one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102700 would I still be able to do everything that I would like, and also does the mobo that I am ordering http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128077 have crossfire support?
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That motherboard does not have crossfire support, but trust me when I say you don't need to use crossfire, nor should you want to. It's not at all cost-effective. That single card on its own is plenty good enough.



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Your motherboard doesn't have crossfire support, also crossfiring two of those cards is fairly... useless.

For the price of those two card you could get a 3850 which is MUCH better. I mean MUCH better.
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Ok thank you, on the UPS site it says I should have it on Thursday, I just wanted to make sure that I screwed something up and ordered it, Also I just needed some reassurance.

Thanks again.
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4. March 2008 @ 19:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Agreed.



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yeah thats the only problem buying online, yes it's very cheap and large variety of choices but when it comes to paying and delivering, it's a bit risky

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I just received my tower case in the mail today, it looks all nice and shiny.. kind of upsetting I have to wait until tomorrow for the rest of the parts to come in. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be worth it.
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LOL, Oh boy do I know that feeling...



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Ok finally I have all of the parts I ordered.. now there is A LOT that came with everything.. so much reading material. But my main issue is putting in the cpu.. I ordered the Thermal grease, but when I got the mobo it has a plastic cover over it that has some type of latching mechanism that says:

Note! Please read CPU installation guide. Always place this cover if the CPU is removed from socket.

My question however is since it has this latch do I even need the thermal grease?

Also it states that I should add the CPU and Heat Sink, then the Memory, then put in the PSU, installation of IDE/SATA/FDD Devices, THEN installation of Motherboard.. should I really put all of these on before I put in the mobo?

Please any response would be greatly appreciated as soon as you can, I'm as giddy as a school girl! :D, thanks again.
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6. March 2008 @ 17:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Screw the manuals. The only thing you need THEM for is the front panel connectors.

The latch is so the motherboard doesn't get damaged when there is no CPU there. You DO need thermal grease, don't for a second think you don't.

Do this, put in the CPU, apply the thermal grease and put in the memory. Then attach the heatsink. Then put it in your case. Connect the front panel connectors, then the drives, and in the end comes the power.
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Ok so basically what your saying is that the thermal grease connects the heat sink to the CPU itself, I'm sorry this is so noobish but I realize that if I screw this up it could ruin the whole plan for a while. Thanks again, especially for the quick response.
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Yeah it's there to conduct heat from the CPU to the heatsink so it cools better.

Put a little bit(not too much, if you put too much it will trap the heat) on the CPU and put the Heatsink on top.

Look here for instructions.

http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstr...l_dual_wcap.pdf

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6. March 2008 @ 17:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Everybody probably varies slightly in how they do it, the layout of different cases makes it easier to do things a certain way, so some people get used to doing it a certain way round if that's what's worked for them in the past.
I generally install the motherboard & RAM, then the CPU, then the PSU, then the CPU cooler, then the cards, then the drives.
As for installing the CPU:
Raise latch and remove warning cover
install CPU, ensuring it is properly seated, then close latch
Apply Thermal paste to CPU
Install the heatsink



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