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Australia to block all P2P?
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article published on 23 December, 2008
The Australian government has said today that new technology could be used to filter all P2P traffic.
Broadband Minister Stephen Conroy added, "Technology that filters peer-to-peer and BitTorrent traffic does exist and it is anticipated that the effectiveness of this will be tested in the live pilot trial."
The controversial censorship plan was originally believed to be for restricting ... [ read the full article ]
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24. December 2008 @ 01:07 |
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so will this also block other P2P app like Winny, Share, PerfectDark?
btw its not just australy that have overpriced internet. in my country, 1Mbps download (in reality about 50KB/s), 128Kbps upload (in reality about 8KB/s), unlimited plan. is about 85USD.
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24. December 2008 @ 02:07 |
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It will be a sad day if we get strong p2p laws that are not nessasarry.
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Colzz
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24. December 2008 @ 02:56 |
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Originally posted by rrrev:
Stephen Conroy,you are a wanker.
agreed
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24. December 2008 @ 04:00 |
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Is it too late to ask santa for a gun?
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24. December 2008 @ 07:00 |
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I live in country South Australia. I have an OPTUS mobile. According to the Govt. I should have Broadband and a good signal for the mobile. I don`t. And I`m only 90kms from Adelaide. And these tossers in Govt. expect us to believe them when they say our civil liberties and privacy will be protected with this latest piece of Government masturbation? . So sad. The inmates in the monkey cage at Adelaide Zoo may listen to our political leaders but how can any sane hard working Aussie? There is a good reason why I haven`t voted since I was 19 yo. (I`m 50 now) If you ACTUALLY believe that any of these wankers in power will really do any good for the normal bloke then I wish I had some of what you are on. To coin a phrase from Trainspotting..........we were colonized by wankers.
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jay4
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24. December 2008 @ 07:32 |
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these guys haven't got a hope in hell of blocking/filtering P2P successfully anywhere. every ISP in this country has approx 90% of P2P as their cash cow. they would all go broke in 3 months flat!
it's just Big Bro waving the Big Stick one more time.
their just blowin' in the wind lol.
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jay4
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24. December 2008 @ 07:36 |
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You see? This is what we get when the public vote in a new government who have been out of power for so many years, and the new Labor government has a weak kneed, inexperienced puppet for its leader who then goes and picks a bunch of no hoper fools such as this mindless idiot CONWAY, sorry, CONROY, who has no idea of what is going on around him, let alone in cyberspace. The Labor government said in its election promises that it was going to clamp down on illegal downloads using P2P networking. As far as i can remember, I don't ever recall them telling us that they were going to run this country like a bunch of bloody communists or nazis. In fact I would go so far as to say Conroy is your classic Internet Nazi, and an idiot to boot. As others have said, why not concentrate all this money and resources on things like child pornography instead of having an unwavering need to totally control our lives. At least I have a clear conscience in that I didn't vote for this pack of dickheads at the election, the reason being that, unlike what seems to be the majority of my fellow countrymen, I remember the total uselessness and damage Labor did to this country last time they were in power, 17% interest rates on home loans for example. They have no idea now, as in the past, on how to manage money, people, money, the internet, money, anything. Get a life Conway and do something useful instead of trying to control our every thought and action you twit.
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24. December 2008 @ 10:01 |
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Originally posted by rrrev:
Stephen Conroy,you are a wanker.
I third/fourth that. I lost count.
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fanman480
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24. December 2008 @ 11:25 |
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Originally posted by jay4:
these guys haven't got a hope in hell of blocking/filtering P2P successfully anywhere. every ISP in this country has approx 90% of P2P as their cash cow. they would all go broke in 3 months flat!
it's just Big Bro waving the Big Stick one more time.
their just blowin' in the wind lol.
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jay4
I do agree with your thoughts as per P2P being their big cash cow, but then you could also have a situation where those sly internet nazis in our piss weak, moron filled, single cell life form of a government whooping for joy at the prospect of Don'tUseTelstra having even more control over our ISP's that use Don'tUseTelstra exchanges and equipment because those bastards in canberra would do anything to see our glorious telco, (with an american at the helm), get greater proffits and even force any non complying ISP's out of the market. Bloody pollies, they've got their stinking fingers in everything and up their arses.
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24. December 2008 @ 11:30 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Welcome to teh future, HEIL!!
Velcome to ze land of Oz ya, Heil Conway, sorry, Conroy. Ze minister finally haz ze final solution. I am vaitink for ze firink sqvad und gasingz to stat on ze P2P uzerz.
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25. December 2008 @ 01:52 |
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Velcome to ze land of Oz ya, Heil Conway, sorry, Conroy. Ze minister finally haz ze final solution. I am vaitink for ze firink sqvad und gasingz to stat on ze P2P uzerz.
Now whenever we hear Conway, ahem... Conroy speak we can scream "Schulllltz!!"
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25. December 2008 @ 20:40 |
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Without P2P we don't require 12gb+ a month accounts so the ISP's loose out and I suppose the government lose out too. Do you think they realize that?? They just can't do it. But i am sure we will find a way to bypass it ;)
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jay4
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25. December 2008 @ 21:44 |
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Originally posted by fanman480:
You see? At least I have a clear conscience in that I didn't vote for this pack of dickheads at the election, the reason being that, unlike what seems to be the majority of my fellow countrymen, I remember the total uselessness and damage Labor did to this country last time they were in power, 17% interest rates on home loans for example. They have no idea now, as in the past, on how to manage money, people, money,
MAAAAANNN you've got no idea!
i was paying off a mortgage under the Labor govt @ 17% on a lousy storeman wage, and i still managed to put money in the bank.
under the money grubbing liberals @5% you need 2 wages coming in and if young mum does'nt work your out in the street. THINK ABOUT IT! the only reason those mongrels balanced the books, was due to all the GST we gave them(now Labor will balance the books the same way lol)
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Colzz
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27. December 2008 @ 18:32 |
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my ISP is totally against it.. iinews/internet-filtering ...on ya iiNet!! I hope everyone is writing to their member of parliment.
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27. December 2008 @ 18:56 |
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http://www.p2pnet.net/story/17996
The UK is moving forward on net censorship plans
Net censorship is pointless, altho if high net was cheap and the default censored mode can be turned off its not such a bad thought...but....... a force censored net is bad....
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28. December 2008 @ 00:40 |
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Seems like the whole world is going to get "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN, BUT DON'T WANT" LMAO
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29. December 2008 @ 05:37 |
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If it happens, I for one will no longer need the internet Mr Conray, Conway, Conroy, oh! who gives a shit. Presently I can say this, but for how long will I have my free thoughts and speech, Comrade?
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Mez
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29. December 2008 @ 08:57 |
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Jay4 what have you been smoking? Haven't you read the news? This has already happened in Japan, New Zeland and France. It will get easier everytime a new country falls under RIAA control. They will be able to do anything they what to do to you. Even if you eliminate the scum that did this to you you will never get rid of those laws.
The plan seems very well thought out. I would start blasting your elected officials. Demand to know how much the RIAA paid them to propose such a law. It is surely not in the public interest. Now you know the labor party is anti public. Next they will be raising taxes and who knows what else? The RIAA has stopped litagation because that did not work. This is how they are spending their money killing P2P a country at a time.
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jay4
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30. December 2008 @ 04:40 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
It will get easier everytime a new country falls under RIAA control. They will be able to do anything they what to do to you.
The plan seems very well thought out. I would start blasting your elected officials. Demand to know how much the RIAA paid them to propose such a law. It is surely not in the public interest. Now you know the labor party is anti public.
GET REAL MAN! RIAA are just a crock of shite. even a single little ol' lady over in the USA beat these turkeys. not even the recording artists ever believed in those wankers. as for doing anything over here? i'm still laughing my head off. consumate snowballs including the paranoia schizo's that believe these guys. lol
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jay4
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Mez
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30. December 2008 @ 07:29 |
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Yes, they are a CoS. Yes, they are morons. Still, they have enough money to make their own laws. Once the laws change you will not be fighting those mindless hacks you will be up against pros. I know of 2 experiments that took place one in the US and one in England. 1 eliminated torrents the other eliminated P2P. Both experiments lasted for about a month. No AD member breached either experiment that I know of.
A guy in Japan posted something on an invisable net and had police at his door in less than 24 hrs.
ISPs are concerned with cash flow. That is probably why the experiments only lasted a month. The ISPs were experimenting to know what they could do if they wanted to. The ISPs will comply with the letter of the law. However, I suspect they will turn a blid eye twords other technologies as long as they do not clog their system.
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30. December 2008 @ 16:22 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
Yes, they are a CoS. Yes, they are morons. Still, they have enough money to make their own laws. Once the laws change you will not be fighting those mindless hacks you will be up against pros. I know of 2 experiments that took place one in the US and one in England. 1 eliminated torrents the other eliminated P2P. Both experiments lasted for about a month. No AD member breached either experiment that I know of.
A guy in Japan posted something on an invisable net and had police at his door in less than 24 hrs.
ISPs are concerned with cash flow. That is probably why the experiments only lasted a month. The ISPs were experimenting to know what they could do if they wanted to. The ISPs will comply with the letter of the law. However, I suspect they will turn a blid eye twords other technologies as long as they do not clog their system.
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I agree. Welcome to the new "speakeasy", where a ISP will set-up a "back-door" for a few dollars... :)
If you don't know what a "speakeasy" is...from wikipedia.org..."A speakeasy was an establishment that surreptitiously sold alcoholic beverages during the period of United States history known as Prohibition (1920?1933,[1] longer in some states), when the sale, manufacture, and transportation (bootlegging) of alcohol was illegal. The term comes from a patron's manner of ordering alcohol without raising suspicion ? a bartender would tell a patron to be quiet and "speak easy"."
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...so does anyone know how to set-up a "ISP speakeasy"??
Cheers!
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jay4
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31. December 2008 @ 05:30 |
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hello Mez!
i understand where your coming from.
at this moment i'm file sharing with a New Zealand guy.
Labor won't have the guts to do anything but blow in the wind.
RIAA are and always will be a joke down here.
however, if they do something that interferes anyway with my filesharing lol, i'll be the first guy to apologise to you and any other member i've taken a swing at.
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jay4
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Mez
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23. October 2011 @ 10:24 |
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jay4 it is not guts. The RIAA has paid them enough not to care about you. How much have you given your elected officials?
Andrew who is they? I know my ISP can do what ever it wants to do. They could find you if they would want to but why would they? P2P is not the great threat it was 5 yrs back when the ISPs were really cracking down. Now they capabilities they developed are now a big pain for them. They are now forced to monitor and drop you as a client if you do too much and they do not get paid for any of this. The loss of a client often means the loss of 100 USDs per month because the client uses other services. They see the RIAA as a greedy parasite and do not want to help them.
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jay4
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24. October 2011 @ 07:07 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
jay4 it is not guts. The RIAA has paid them enough not to care about you. How much have you given your elected officials?
Andrew who is they? I know my ISP can do what ever it wants to do. They could find you if they would want to but why would they? P2P is not the great threat it was 5 yrs back when the ISPs were really cracking down. Now they capabilities they developed are now a big pain for them. They are now forced to monitor and drop you as a client if you do too much and they do not get paid for any of this. The loss of a client often means the loss of 100 USDs per month because the client uses other services. They see the RIAA as a greedy parasite and do not want to help them.
i agree Mez!
it's funny how the wheel turns.
alot of the P2P places just disappeared anyway.
i completely forgot about this post lol
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jay
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